I.C.A.R's Joe Montaldo and Christina George accuse Sacha Christie of just being pissed off she was cut out of a deal by Warren on his forged photograph. It's all just personal, it has nothing to do with Rendlesham.

Denigration Time, Come on!

Joe Montaldo has been a busy with his wooden spoon recently hasn't he? Not only did he denigrate Race Hobbs and the network KGRA with accusations of pedophilia this week, he has had two shows with his Co-host Christina George one was Warren's drunken amazing piffle waffle. The first one is absolutely hilarious, for all the wrong reasons. Warren claims to have been the personal assistant to the Beach Boys in the late 70's and that he met Sinatra in 74.Rather than looking completely awestruck they looked like they wanted to slap him. I think he alluded to his father being some sort of legal representative for the rich and famous. Sinatra and Darin... It is utterly jaw dropping and the best bit is that it was a live YouTube stream. 

They decided to dedicate a whole show to me. 

It's just personal

In this show Joe and Christina show their glaring lack of knowledge on the situation they have thrust themselves into on behalf of Larry Warren. It's all just personal, It's about one forged photo. Joe asks If I am upset because Warren cut me out of a deal? Looking at the history of his co host (links throughout this blog) that's an interesting statement and just shows me how they think.  

Paltalk Pals

So I wanted to tell you about how I met Joe. We were all like a little gang of family twelve years ago. I spent way too much time in the paltalk chatroom listening to either coast to coast or Joe's shows. I wanted to tell you about how it all began.....

I put a report in about our group ufo encounter in Wales in to Brian Vike in 2006, he got in touch by email. He called me, we spoke, I went on his radio show and then I went on the Jeff Rense show with Brian Vike. So when I was hanging out in the Paltalk chat room I talked about that show one day and Tez (the chat room owner) went off to find it. That Rense show got played a few times in the Coast to Coast chat room. Then I got asked on other shows and on Joe's shows talking about my ufo encounter and some other stuff.  Then Joe Montaldo asked me to be his UK Director for ICAR. I was absolutely delighted!!! I'd been lost in the wilderness for eight years going mad with no one to talk to and there I found acceptance and friends. 

That means sod all to Joe Montaldo but It still means a lot to me even if he doesn't anymore, because of the other people I 'met' and besides, I did start out in Tez's Coast to Coast chat room, my life didn't start with Joe Montaldo. I could never afford the fees for Coast to Coast so it was a great way to sneakily hear their shows and I really did have a great time in those rooms. A single mum stuck in all the time, it was a bit of a godsend. I had a lot of laughs and I felt a lot of relief. Fortunately I am not stupid enough to think Joe was in any way responsible for that, but I did enjoy it all immensely, I didn't know any better at the time I was like Queen Amadala, young and naive. But I did used to see Joe as a bit of a fatherly figure. Any experiences I had I would email him, no one else, I told him everything. Now he says I am a fake and a liar. Even after he had me on all those shows, on his 'network' for a while and gave me the lofty title of UK Director for ICAR! Yay me! I loved it! I am not going to lie, I am not going to change the past to suit the mood now! So that is what Joe is currently taking a dump all over with Christina George, a woman who has never spoken to me, aside from very briefly on facebook many moons ago when she already had decided I was a troll just after a few minutes gossip with Warren. 

Be Careful Out There

So this is my message to you abductees who are putting your trust in Joe, I trusted him with the most horrible events in my life. I trusted him with information about not only myself, but my children too. I told him things you don't want to have to tell anybody, but they are the kind of things you can't keep to yourself because they chew you up and make you crazy if you do. You all mean nothing to him. If you ever say anything he doesn't like, he will try and destroy you. He will call you a liar and a fake and he will troll you. He will gather as many people as he can, people who never knew you and he will try to make your life hell. He will try to make people hate you, he will try to destroy your reputation, he knows how vulnerable people who have been abducted are but if you piss him off all that becomes a weapon, he knows all about my experiences, I told him everything. 

So what is he trying to achieve here? Like Warren does he think he can drive me to suicide? Denigrating the most horrific moments in my life. Parading them this way to destroy any kind of support I might have, to take away all my friends and my support system and to make people think badly of me, to hate me, to shun me? What else could his objective be? 

He is trying to get the internet to troll me and when they do this to people like me who they know have had issues with mental health and suicidal ideation. These people actually want me to kill myself. I know Larry Warren does, he publicly fantasises about my death all the time. Only I know the little remarks he makes that are directly meant to trigger me because it is something deeply personal and traumatic. What if I did? Then they'll say.. See told you she was mad.

Or does he think he is just sparring on the net, no harm no foul?  It's just words after all. Only the problem we have here is that he isn't trying to affect my book sales, my conference talks, he is not in competition with my radio station or network because I currently have neither and only ever had podcasts. I have nothing to lose. All I have are my experiences and that is why he is trying to take them away from me. Can you see what a deeply sinister person he is? Oh you can say, it is just a silly argument on the net, it means nothing, she probably deserves it, or who the hell does Joe think he is.. Or no opinion at all because it is quite rightly, beneath most people. So this is about destroying me. But I don't play the victim so it could never do that. You can't make someone look bad by behaving atrociously either, It doesn't work like that. 

Mind Control

Well it isn't going to happen Joe/Christina, you can't affect what I don't have and you mean nothing to me, so how can you hurt me? But that actually truly could be a reality for other people, this could be the end of them.  I have skin that now goes to the bone thanks to the training of the past two years, you know my darkest moments Joe, you know how badly those experiences affected me, but they didn't weaken me, they made me stronger and braver and they made me unafraid. I am certainly not afraid of you or any of your hench. When you have been literally terrified it takes a lot to rattle you once you have learned how to carry on after that terror. The terror you now deny I ever had. The suffering my children and I went through, you are now trying to take it away, but you can't. You can't touch my life, you are nobody to me. 

When you have helped someone and you take that away and replace it with abuse then you are using mind control techniques to manipulate a persons mental capacity, to affect their their mental health, to control and manipulate their actions and change their behaviour. To alter their lives negatively. Then when you drag strangers into it that makes you a handler. I survived monsters and the military THEN over two years of opposition from a LOT of people who are now supporting me having realised the truth about Warren. You are gaslighting Joe but It won't wash with me . Dear reader, you might think I am being overly dramatic, unless you have actually lived with abduction then you will feel me. This blog is for you, because you really have to be careful about who you tell, they have that information forever and they can hurt you with it, if you don't want people to know you are an abductee or that your child is. 

This is serious. We trust in people, we tell them our deepest most private events, things that people lose their jobs over saying, lose friends, credibility etc. Fortunately for me, in this situation I am in now, I have already spoken about most of these things, so yes, there are bits of information about my children he has that I do not want sharing in public, but the rest, it can only be about me not them. But to some of you people out there who I know do not want anyone to know, who are frightened of severe losses if your experiences were exposed, I wouldn't trust this man with your life in that way. Take it from me, look at what he is doing now over something that has got nothing to do with him. He says in the video above he had no idea any of this was going on. That is actually a lie because he has commented before on some of my posts about it all. But if he has forgotten then why does it mean so much to him? Why is he taking this crusade to this level? Is it because he needs the listeners to his so called network and his alleged radio station? 

The Biggest Invisible Show In The World 

He says he gets between 1.5 and 3.5 million listeners per show to Warren in this blog in the short excerpt. So why doesn't he show up on the listings then? Surely that is a higher number than even George Noory and Coast to Coast, it would blow Jimmy Church out of the water. When you look for the frequency on 107.7 FM station in New Orleans as he states, there is nothing there. It also quickly becomes obvious that the stations run in alphabetical order and U is on another coast entirely and in fact it should start with a 'W'. 

Here is a link to all the radio stations in New Orleans

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Link to Image source

This is a link to the Federal Communications Commission and their regulations. It say's;

The FCC has a special class of radio licenses called Low Power FM Radio (LPFM) to create opportunities for new voices to be heard on the radio. The LPFM radio service consists of 100-watt stations which reach an area with a radius of approximately three and one-half miles.

Who is eligible for LPFM licenses?

To qualify for an LPFM license, you must be:

• A government or non-profit educational institution, like a public or private school or state or private university
• A non-profit organization, association or entity with an educational purpose, like a community group, public service or public health organization, disability service provider or faith-based organization
• A government or non-profit entity providing local public safety or transportation service, like a volunteer fire department, local government or state transportation authority

In addition, applicants for LPFM licenses must be based in the community in which they intend to broadcast. An organization is considered community-based if:

• It is physically headquartered or has a campus within 10 miles of the proposed transmitting antenna
• Seventy-five percent of its governing board resides within 10 miles of the proposed transmitting antenna
• It is a non-profit or governmental public safety organization that intends to broadcast within the area of its jurisdiction

Who is not eligible?

LPFM licenses cannot be issued to individual or commercial entities. Also, existing broadcasters, cable television system operators, newspaper publishers, and other media entities are not eligible for LPFM licenses.

How can I apply for an LPFM station?

The FCC has developed a computer software program ("LPFM Channel Finder") to help potential LPFM applicants find an available channel in their area.

The FCC will give at least 30 days notice, via a Public Notice and/or the FCC Web site when a filing window is available in your state. There is no cost to file an application for a permit to construct an LPFM station or a license to operate an LPFM station. A construction permit issued by the FCC is required before an applicant is allowed to construct an LPFM station and a license issued by the FCC is required before operation of an LPFM station can begin.

If there are conflicting LPFM applications in the same area, competing applications will be resolved through a process that awards one point to each applicant for:

• the organization's presence in the community for at least two years
• an obligation to broadcast at least 12 hours each day
• an obligation to broadcast at least eight hours of locally-originated programming each day

The applicant with the most points will receive the construction permit.

If there is a tie after the points are tallied, the competing applicants will be encouraged to share a license. Formerly-competing applicants who resubmit their applications together will be permitted to total their points and compare their total with any other applicant for a license.

How much does it cost to set up an LPFM station?

The construction and operating costs of an LPFM radio station can vary widely, depending on the type and quality of studio and broadcasting equipment used, as well as by whether a tower may be required. More information on the availability and costs of radio equipment is available from a variety of sources, such as electronics periodicals.

How does my organization apply?

Applications for new LPFM stations, construction permits, or for major changes to LPFM permits or licenses can only be filed during the dates specified for an application filing window. Such applications may only be filed via the Media Bureau's electronic filing system. An application will be returned, without consideration, if it is received at a time outside the filing window.

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Low Power FM Radio (LPFM) Guide (pdf)

Non profit? Well doesn't that mean that this is a big no no then? 

Non profit? Well doesn't that mean that this is a big no no then? 

Go Fund Yourselves!

They are no strangers to GoFundMe

Expose on Christina George

Fairytale Psychic is Cracked (blog)
Christina George Rip Off Report


Evan Jensen Investigated one of Christina Georges Psychic Nights.
Evan runs the Paranormal Herald

All this started because I know he told Robert Hastings in a show a couple of years ago Warren failed the VSA and because I know he took that show down from the archives, not because Joe doesn't agree with me as he say's. I definitely did not attack them, they decided to fight a battle for Warren without knowing the facts as their ridiculous show highlights. Jason Wilson joins in representing the facts and they all end up arguing. Thanks Jason, you are a good friend and I appreciate what you did. 

If you don't know anything about the Rendlesham Incidents and specifically Warren's version(s) of events and you haven't read any of the information I have published then there is nothing to talk about. These two quite clearly demonstrated, they know absolutely nothing about what is going on and they have attacked me on behalf of someone they don't know personally, haven't known long although they will say yayayayay years. That isn't true because I introduced them. Why would anyone who is so busy with a show that draws around four million listeners be even the slightest bit concerned about what I am saying, especially a fake and a liar, what kind of network owner picks fights with fakes and nobodies? 

So obviously my next move is to complain to the FCC and to Ofsted about the things they have said and see that nothing happens because it's my bet, there isn't a station, there are no towers and he is just a fake and a liar. Obviously I will let you know what the outcome is. Feel free to complain yourself, the details are in the information in at the link I provided for the FCC. 

The Hells Angels have confirmed that Warren was never a member. His patches were bought. Warren told the HA he had burned the patches and promised never to do it again.

He hasn't earned those colours. 

Larry Warren intoxicated on live YouTube stream. Claims to have been PA to the Beachboys

Well I am busy at the moment! So much to dismantle! Still working on the Filey talk video, had to put that down for a day or so to watch a slow motion train wreck.. The Joe Montaldo show but also, unbeknowst to me he was on Christina George's show as she has now joined the ranks of his merry hench. Well, maybe not... Not after the show she did with him. I could barely get through the first twenty minutes without dying. It is so awful, Warren is absolutely smashed. He says he is the whistlebrrrrr... I think he mean blower, which he certainly is.

It's a drunken lie fest with three other uncomfortable faces adorning the screen as Warren romps about, his split screen 'personality' swigging cans, giving the finger and talking to his new friend Gage, who clearly has no clue about what is happening, but he is going along for the ride which is fair enough! We have all been there! Say something in 'foreign' he says to poor Gage... Just wow.

So anyway there they are talking about haters, not people asking questions, we are trolls, stalkers, haters etc. All on the take etc etc etc. Stalking him every day. No we don't stalk you Warren, we just retort on all the crap you keep spewing all over the place ABOUT US! Are you mad? (Rhetorical question). Of course you are, you are fuming... BUT, if you think you can say stuff, then we can say stuff too... If that 'stuff' is about US! Get a grip, find a bit of logic in your lie addled mind!

So it was an illuminating moment to find myself in receipt of a particular url that takes me to a particular blog called 'Eye on the Paranormal'! Well, well, well...!!! Look at who has made all this noise and danced about for my attention... She says we have been invited on her show, but I have never received an invitation from her, but I was called a troll and a hater from the get go! Then wonders why I won't talk to her. I think she is an idiot basically, I now think Joe Montaldo is a complete and utter liar whereas before, I just thought he was a bragger. Insecure, you know.

He lies about having a radio station, lies about having 100,000 people listening, hundreds of thousands of downloads... Go to the frequency UPPRN is on you won't hear it. But then he will say it's under maintenance etc... Forever. But he is buying a new radio tower soon... After you give him money to replace his five computers that got ruined by a lightning strike. For the second time in a few years. Christina has a GoFundMe too with her poorly dying self in a hospital bed and another Joe set up for her for paying bills. Both seem to have vanished now, replaced by Joe wanting money for 'station' repairs. Not bad eh? Keep the GoFundMe going for one reason or another.

These two blogs are must reads for the background on this fraud.

Beware of Christina George's GoFundMe Blog

The Fairy Tale Pyschic Blog

So... !To the facts of the matter and the type of person we are dealing with here....


An excerpt from Eye on the Paranormal.

"One such case that we have been working on is a fake psychic named Christina George.  Now, I’m not talking I think she’s fake and challenge her to prove herself like some challenge from James Randi the skeptic.  I’m talking proven liar by using her claims on videos and hard proof to the truth that shows her lying about her past and how she came upon psychic ability.  What is more disturbing is… this woman has a past criminal record that involves felonies and prison time.  Not only is this a proven thing, with hard evidence even online, but, the past as relayed by her sister is very disturbing that includes proof to drug use, elderly abuse and neglect suspicions with documented proof to why the suspicions are there.  Her sister, Leslie Jobe Shelton, is a victim’s advocate and really felt the need to warn others and stop Christina from continuing for the good of the public.  The show link below is the link to the show that Leslie, Christina George’s sister was on.  Leslie has our utmost respect on this and has joined our ranks to help us do what we do.  She is an amazing woman. Listen to what she has to say below after reading this."

Eye on the Paranormal


These people are MY haters. I didn't go to them, they threw themselves at me,  THEY start playing MY victim after throwing themselves at me, when in fact I want nothing to do with any of them. So check that logic. Joe has a guest who calls me "fucking psychotic" which went out live, when I call himout on it he starts a thread trying to involve me, on his page, with all his cronies, he starts a trolling thread.  He just wants the attention, he thinks he can argue, he can't, he just lies and brags lies like Warren, they are the same type of people. After reading about Christina Goerge's antics, well... one and the same aren't they? Both Joe and Christina are currently begging for money via GoFundMe for personal use.

Yet I am the problem, according to these wonderful people.


Here is a shot of him showing the patch he didn't earn. I know a few people will be interested in this. He has never been a Hells Angel. That fact is well established. But he keeps peddling it!!

Warren's drunken YouTube stream with Christina George.


Cheers!

Here is the link to the Paranormal Herald affiliated with Eye on the Paranormal by Evan Jensen

Paranormal Herald

Paranormal Herald Facebook Group

The Rendlesham UFO Facebook Page

Larry Warren and Joe Montaldo gossip on air, falsely accuse KGRA's Producer Race Hobbs of being a pedophile. Updated with sound file 14/1/18

Two days ago Warren went on UPRN radio to talk to Joe Montaldo about what a baddy I am and how he is repackaging the whole Rendlesham thing, owning it. Changing the face of it forever. Rewriting it.  You know, all those things he accuses everyone else of doing. Lets face it, he wasn't even on duty, he didn't participate, so this is really quite stunning isn't it? Read Left out at East Gate so you know how I know Warren's account is not true.

Well we get to 48 minutes on the show and Joe say's he wants to stop recording for the break, they messed up and got a 90 day YouTube ban for not cutting out the break on another show where they discussed pedophile dolls as he calls them.

So I am listening to the drivel, droning on and on, two bitter old men bragging lies, then Montaldo tells Warren some gossip....

"Race Hobbs, the producer of KGRA, is a convicted pedophile...."

"No"!!!!! Says Warren.

Sound File of comments

Then Montaldo goes onto explain how Race molested a 13 year old boy and that his show host Jeffry Pritchett discovered this. Well that just shows you how well Joe does his research, or even remembers what happened. Race is most definitely NOT a convicted pedophile.

In this blog there are a couple of photos of Peter Robbins and Warren where Peter is pretending to stab Warren and cut his head off. This was after I revealed a few things, Peter, loyal to his then co-author, refused to even look at my evidence. Those photographs were taken by Bill Forte. Warren knows all this. Didn't set the record straight did he? But he doesn't care, he thinks everyone at KGRA are cunts as he says in the clip below.

Warren accused ME of outing Bill for his crimes. I did no such thing. I was merely included in the email that Jeff Pritchett sent to everyone. Basically my email was one of many. Warren and Heidi Neil both spread the rumour it was me. Yet another stunning example of their fact checking and researching abilities. They all run on gossip.

It is also very ironic considering Warren's behaviour while he slept on our sofa for months while he was homeless. Watching porn in the living room while my fifteen year old daughter was in the room. Trying to engage her in conversation with him. He told her he would love to fuck a nun with big tits. Alas the police are not interested in an "Internet fall out between ex friends".

read here

So Warren knew full well it was not Race who has been convicted because Warren and Heidi Neil are such good friends. Heidi Loves KGRA, I can't help but wonder if she dropped her plastic wine glass and spilled white lightning all over her roll ups in shock.  She was sat in the chat room of UPRN with Joe. Thats it, just them two, for a show that he alleges 100,000 people listened.

Oh dear... Just think, according to Joe 100,000 people heard him say all that? The whole time he is thinking he is not recording, oh the irony!  I wonder what will happen in court when he has to provide that information. I dare say this will be going to court, I very much hope it does. The UFO conmanunity needs to understand that eventually, there will be consequences to it's egomaniacle actions.

The show has now been pulled from the site but not before a few of us managed to capture it.

Montaldo is now  on his page saying he offered to do a polygraph test on me... How is he going to do that? Online? An online polygraph??? Like the Voice Stress Analysis he said he did with Warren OVER SKYPE!! See how deluded he is...! How much of a blaggard he is?! He is in New Orleans, I am in Liverpool!, He is blatantly against me and thinks I'd agree to some sort of polygraph test and is makingsome big deal out of the fact I won't do it, like thats telling you something about my guilt, not his delusion that he can perform a bloody polygraph online!!! so he is trying to use that to make me look bad when it's an impossible, ridiculous idea anyway!  How the hell...? I can't even....

If you have followed Joe Montaldo's shows and never changing rhetoric at all, he often says how easy it is to beat these things and that he himself has 'beaten' up to thirteen polygraph tests! So.. thats one way of saying to everyone "Hey, I am a really good liar, believe me when I say my show gets hundreds of thousands of listeners all over the world, believe me when I tell you anything. I can pass multiple polygraphs"

You have to wonder how he ended up in the position of having that many, or did he conduct them on himself? I am trying to find some logic and reason in these brags, the only logic I can derive is that they are both liars and think they are good at it, just because they do it all the time, then troll anyone who challenges what they say or asks them for evidence while pretending they have been totally reasonable in all things.

A few years ago Guy Weddle and I were intermitently doing a radio show. Citizen Sane Radio. Montaldo coaxed us over to his "network" where we were regularly told we were getting between 400 and 900 thousand listeners every show. We never saw any proof of this and when all the show hosts wanted to see thier stats, a massive argument ensued and everyone left him. Nobody got to see ANY stats.

He deliberately caused bad feeling between the hosts, they were all arguing in public in the chat room. What a mess... Stephanie Benetti and I had a big public fall out, fully encouraged by Montaldo. He loves a good fight because it is how he gets people's attention. Shame of the matter is, that involves a grown man getting his 'friends' together to troll me! He can say whatever he likes abpout what he has done and I am sure he will, he isn't trolling.. But he is... He allows a man to call me a fucking psychopath live on air and if I say anything I am to be publicly castigated. I'd expect nothing else from a misgynist, two of them together, how did they cope with all the testosterone after the show?! 

This man reckons he runs the biggest radio network, the biggest abductee research network, has a construction company etc... Has to do that to me? Why? Success doesn't need to troll. Success doesn't pay attention to 'nobodies'... so why pay attention to little old me?

Edit* His station clearly doesn't even exist.

Well, this is the only attention that man is getting from me. I will NEVER take a phony online polygraph test with a sold Warrenite. The mere suggestion is symptomatic of a deluded mind. What a joke! I mean seriously think about what he is saying!!!

Likely?

I'm having a technology head butt here... I will embed the video properly asap.

This will take you my google drive

This will take you to my facebook page

This is a link to my facebook post of his attempts at trolling me

The problem with these types of people is that if you ask them to show you the proof of their words, they fall into the foetal position and wait until everyone gathers around them, then they play the victim and everyone feels sorry for them and... well you know how the trolling goes. Most people do not need the slightest bit of evidence, that is why they gather those types around them. Willingly blind and reactive. So I blocked him. Obviously.


So to reiterate Race Hobbs is NOT a convicted pedophile but Warren and Montaldo are dangerous gossips.

Larry Warren Conference Talk. B.U.F.O.H Flying Saucers Have Landed, Filey 2015 is a Completely Different Story to his 2016 Toronto Talk. updated

This week David Young discovered a recording he had made of Larry Warren's talk at the Flying Saucers Have Landed Conference, staged by Russ Kellet for his group B.U.F.O.H in July 2015.

It's an astonishing romp through Larry Warren's imagination. Lots of changes and differences. For example; he says he was in Ipswich during the day and tested his new camera by taking a photo of the A10 in this talk. Yet just over a year later at the Earth Mystery News Conference in Toronto, he states he was in Germany that day and flew back that evening, he arrived back just in time to get ready for his shift.

Some of you may remember that he stated it was Sgt Ball, Adrian Bustinza and Lt Englund who collected him from his guard post that night. Well in this talk it was Steve Longero and Adrian Bustinza!! There is so much more in it which proves he is a liar. Two talks, one year apart, completely different to all the other different versions he has told over the years. Listen to how smoothly the lies and contradictions flow through his lips.

He makes references that as a Security Specialist he was 'SS' and that it was a good job there weren't any Jewish people around, because nobody thought that through did they?! Later he makes a quip that it was a time before Arabs brought buildings down! It's priceless.

Part one

Part 2

Then watch this Earth Mystery News interview where he skirts around answering questions, but states that he was in Germany having been chasing girls, not in Ipswich taking photos of A10s with faked UFO for company, as he states in the Filey talk. But! That photo hadn't been busted by then.

Earth Mystery News Interviews Larry Warren 2016

Over to you Ben for your Liarry Warren Controversy part 4598. Can't wait to see how you try and waffle him out of this one.

update.

Part 7 and 8 added to the list.

Warren mentions the CNN special assignment documentary and plays it during the course of his talk. Here is the actual video for you to watch.

Excerpt from Left At East Gate

The day before Christmas, I left for Germany with my friend Mark. We had met two German girls in London the previous week at Le Beat Route, a club on Greek Street. We had gotten along well at the time, and the girls had invited us to spend the holiday with them and their families near Frankfurt. We had a great time, despite a severe language barrier. However, I think the girls lost interest in Mark and me on the second night. We just sat around and stared at their parents and they at us, while the girls went out with their German boyfriends. On or about 27 December, we flew back to RAF Mildenhall to begin our shift the next night.
Robbins, Peter. Left at East Gate (Kindle Locations 1301-1305). Cosimo, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

Open Letter To The Music Memorabilia Industry

An Open Letter to the Music Memorabilia Industry

You may wish to be aware of the activities of Larry Warren, who sometimes uses the name Lawrence Warren. Warren is a US citizen who currently resides in Liverpool, in the UK. He has been involved in locating/selling various items of music memorabilia, including autographs, artwork, musical instruments and items of clothing.

Much of Warren's activity in this area is based on his claims of friendship with various celebrities, including John Lennon. The image below was produced by Warren as evidence of this friendship. He claims he was 19 at the time, when one can clearly see that he's around 40. Obviously, it’s a badly photoshopped fake.

The first mainstream media mention of Larry Warren and The Beatles is in a New York Times article dated March 1, 1987, where he describes himself as a Beatles fanatic. Only later did he start making his claims of friendship and connections with celebrities - almost exclusively ones who are deceased, making it difficult to evaluate his claims. An internet search for "Larry Warren" & "memorabilia" will turn up several media articles about items where questions have been raised about authenticity, and where items have been withdrawn from sale. Warren appears to have multiple online accounts on various auction sites, seems to use multiple identities, and may sometimes use friends and other third parties to sell material on his behalf.

Larry Warren is also notorious in the UFO community, claiming he was involved in the UK's best-known UFO case, the Rendlesham Forest incident. Warren has made numerous contradictory claims about this over the years, including how he witnessed a landed UFO, saw aliens, and was interrogated by sinister government ‘Men-in-Black’ when he tried to blow the whistle. Warren was very briefly in the United States Air Force at the time of this incident, but was discharged from service only a few weeks into his first posting. The Deputy Base Commander at the time of these UFO sightings, Colonel Charles Halt, describes Warren as a "wannabe" who picked up parts of his story from other witnesses and fabricated other parts.

In the summer of 2016 college authorities in the UK barred Larry Warren from a UFO conference held at the University of Glasgow, as a result of his threats of violence against a woman who he blames for exposing his story as bogus. In June 2017 Warren’s co-author formally disassociated himself from Warren, in a statement in which he cited a number of outright lies Warren had told him. Then in October 2017 Warren’s own publisher, Cosimo, announced they were suspending distribution of Warren’s book because of concerns over the veracity of its contents.

It will be for the police and the courts to determine Warren's guilt or innocence regarding the supply/sale of any specific items of memorabilia, but anyone involved in the music memorabilia industry will wish to be aware of Mr Warren and be exceptionally cautious about any items of memorabilia associated with him.


December 4, 2017  A Concerned Group of Genuine Music Fans

Left At East Gate Suspended By Publisher

Cosimo Announcement

"Cosimo is announcing that it is suspending the distribution of the book, Left at East Gate, by Larry Warren and Peter Robbins.

Left at East Gate had originally been published by Marlowe & Company in 1997 and had received widespread praise from UFO experts and others. This book describes what some have called the most significant military UFO incident in history, that took place at RAF Bentwaters, a NATO base in the United Kingdom in 1980.  Recently, however, it has been brought to our attention that some of the experiences described in this book may be inaccurate or embellished.

Cosimo is committed to publishing both new and out-of-print books that offer enduring value.  We, at Cosimo, will continue to do so in order to inform and inspire our readers. As part of our mission, we specialize in making rare and unique out-of-print books available again, as we did with Left at East Gate.  As an independent publisher, we look for quality books in a wide range of genres from public affairs and personal development to history, philosophy and niche subjects such as ufology, and then make a determination whether these books fit well within our catalog. At this moment, we cannot be certain that Left at East Gate still meets this standard. Consequently, we have decided to suspend the distribution of this book, until the situation surrounding it has been clarified to our satisfaction".

Theft at East Gate ~ By Nick pope

THEFT AT EAST GATE

By Nick Pope

On 12 June 2017, veteran UFO researcher and writer Peter Robbins posted a detailed and lengthy statement on Facebook, setting out what most of the rest of the UFO community already knew, namely that his “Left at East Gate” co-author, Larry Warren, had verifiably told Peter multiple falsehoods, appeared to have forged a number of documents relating to his various claims, and had made up stories concerning his supposed friendship with a number of famous musicians. Somewhat counter-intuitively, this latter revelation is actually the most serious, as Warren has been involved in selling items of music memorabilia, seemingly at least in part based on these claims of celebrity friendships. I’ll say little more about this aspect of the case, as this is a matter for the police and courts. Suffice to say that anyone who’s ever seen Warren’s comically badly-photoshopped image of him with John Lennon would never buy any music memorabilia from the man! Warren claims he was 19 in the photo, whereas he’s clearly around forty years of age.

Peter Robbins also called out Warren for his threats of violence against women. This doubtless reflects a deeper misogyny, as evidenced by his repeated references to various women as “witches”, “bitches” or “silly little girls”. As with the allegations of fraudulent selling of music memorabilia, the threats of violence against women are matters for the police and the courts, though it’s a matter of public record that Warren was barred from speaking at a UFO conference due to be held at University of Glasgow, after the university authorities were alerted to Warren’s violent threats against women. Sadly, a couple of UK-based ufologists, while well-aware of this behaviour, have refused to speak out against it. Shame on them.

With regard to the final unravelling of the Larry Warren story, the writing had been on the wall for a long time. “Left at East Gate” is, after all, the only UFO book that has a nickname: “Theft at East Gate”, due to the widely-held belief that Warren stole parts of his story from the genuine witnesses (and seems to have made up most of the rest of it). Peter Robbins may have made his statement much later than the UFO community would have preferred, but it was a detail-rich account, filled with specific, checkable examples of Warren’s deception. It was the final nail in the coffin for Warren’s credibility. Clearly when even his co-author – who’s worked with Warren for decades – calls him a liar, nobody else is going to believe him. And remember, Peter Robbins had nothing to gain and a lot to lose by making his statement. More about that later. The upshot of all this is that number of people who say they still believe Warren is down to single figures. These half dozen or so people are dishonestly trying to spin recent events as a falling out between Warren and Peter Robbins. Self-evidently it isn’t. It’s a detailed exposition of a decades-long fraud perpetrated on the UFO community. Similarly, these Warren supporters (essentially just friends and family trying to keep the story afloat) are trying to suggest that there’s still a debate to be had about all this, and that there are a large number of people out there who still believe Warren. There aren’t. This isn’t the sort of “controversy” or “split” that occasionally divides ufology. The matter is beyond debate in the same way as the Roswell Slides, the Hitler Diaries or Piltdown Man is beyond debate. It’s an exposed hoax. The case is absolutely watertight. In legal terms this isn’t “on the balance of probability”. It’s “beyond reasonable doubt”.

One thing I’ve noticed about the UFO community is that people often forget – or aren’t aware of – the history of their own subject. Warren was actually busted way back in 2000, by author and investigative journalist Georgina Bruni, in her book “You Can’t Tell The People”. Following publication of the book Warren hit back at Bruni with a furious list of questions in which he attempted to undermine her meticulous research. Warren’s attack backfired badly. In response to some of his questions, which asked where she’d sourced particular points, Bruni referred him back to specific pages in his own book! It wasn’t simply that Warren hadn’t got his story straight and was tripping himself up with contradictions – he’d clearly forgotten large chunks of it altogether! Warren got absolutely owned in the exchange, all of which is 100% checkable. Sadly, as I say, people either aren’t aware of this open source material, don’t check it, or – shamefully – choose to ignore it.

In the interests of fair play and accuracy it’s important to stress that a couple of parts of Warren’s story are verifiably true. In late 1980 he was indeed posted to the twin bases of Bentwaters and Woodbridge, after having completed his basic training. That said, while he plays the veteran card to the hilt (something that infuriates military personnel who’ve served in Iraq and Afghanistan), he was bundled out of the United States Air Force a few weeks later. The second part of Warren’s story that turns out to be true is that he was indeed one of the first whistleblowers on the case – though not the first, as he’s sometimes claimed.  

The statement from Peter Robbins is so meticulous and detailed that I don’t intend to analyse it any great detail. It speaks for itself, and those wanting to research specific areas of the Larry Warren fraud can follow the trail that Peter has laid out. What I will do is make some more general comments on the wider implications of the fraud. Before I do so, I should answer a question I’ve been asked about this situation, namely, why have I taken such a close, personal interest in this matter?

There are three reasons for my interest. Firstly, when I worked at the Ministry of Defence, I undertook what police would call a cold case review of the Rendlesham Forest incident. While the Rendlesham Forest incident itself took place before I joined the MoD, during my time on the MoD’s UFO project it was the incident on which we received most questions, from MPs and Peers, from the media, and from the public. Having been involved in this government work on the case, I feel a personal connection with the case, its witnesses, and those who claim to be witnesses. Secondly, I co-wrote a book (“Encounter in Rendlesham Forest”) on the incident with two of the genuine witnesses, John Burroughs and Jim Penniston. Thus, given that Warren seems to have appropriated parts of his story from the experiences of genuine witnesses, there’s a “stolen valour” issue here that I – and many others – find particularly offensive. Finally, having researched and investigated the UFO phenomenon for the government, the mainstream media invariably come to me for comments and quotes on UFO-related stories that they intend to run. I was duly quoted in a 30^th May Daily Mirror story which is, at least as I write these words, the only mainstream media story yet to have been written on the Larry Warren fraud.

Where do we go from here? What are the wider implications of this sorry affair for the credibility of the Rendlesham Forest incident, and indeed the credibility of ufology? What lessons can be learned? On the first part of this question, I’m aware from my UK government research and investigation into the UFO phenomenon that the Rendlesham Forest incident is a genuinely mysterious case that remains unexplained to this day. The Larry Warren fraud may damage the case in the short-term, but one swallow doesn't make a summer, and in the longer term, the testimony of the genuine witnesses and the story told by the declassified UK government documents on the incident will rightly be seen as more important than one man’s discredited stories. As for the wider reputation of various individuals in the UFO community, and indeed of ufology itself, there may be some short-term damage, but in the longer term the UFO community will be able to say with justifiable pride that lessons were learned from this experience, and that they weren't afraid to clean house. Because frankly, if ufology doesn’t police itself, nobody else will.

There’s an interesting parallel to be drawn between the Larry Warren fraud and the Roswell Slides fiasco – which I briefly mentioned earlier. In both cases, the wider UFO community seemed quite polarized by the debate until a small and disparate group of researchers came together to investigate the situation and expose the falsehood. In both cases, once the truth was revealed it was blindingly obvious, but the point is that it needed somebody to step up to the plate. With the Roswell Slides fiasco it was the Roswell Slides Research Group. With the Larry Warren fraud it was Sacha Christie, Alyson Dunlop, David Young and James Welsh – though many others contributed research too. In both cases the researchers had little in common, had very different takes on the wider subject, and in both cases some of those involved ended up changing their minds on the situation after having reviewed the evidence. If ufology could learn just a single lesson from this sorry affair, it should be the value of this sort of critical thinking, where people take an evidence-based approach and aren’t afraid to change their position when new facts emerge. Those who simply dig in and defend a position based on belief, irrespective of the facts, end up looking foolish and irrelevant.

The above comments about not being afraid to change one’s mind bring us neatly back to Peter Robbins. As mentioned before, Peter has everything to lose and nothing to gain by speaking out, but he did so anyway. Why? The answer is simple: his honesty and integrity. Peter knew he’d be accused of not having done his due diligence, and though it saddens me to say so, there’s clearly a good deal of truth in that. Indeed, his courageous statement acknowledges this very point. His reputation as a researcher and as an investigative writer has undeniably been dented though, in fairness, Warren can spin a good tale, and found in Peter someone who epitomized The X-Files catchphrase “I want to believe”.

What about the books? Peter Robbins is in a difficult position. "Left at East Gate", (and his two more recent, self-published works, "Deliberate Deception" and "Halt in Woodbridge") have at their heart Warren's story. Peter Robbins now realises that much of this story is false. He could take immediate, unilateral action to withdraw his two self-published books. With regard to "Left at East Gate", Peter has said that he’ll bring the deception to the attention of his publisher, Cosimo. It’s not clear whether he intends to leave the matter entirely to them (turkeys don’t vote for Christmas, so I suspect it’s unlikely the publisher would take the book out of print), or whether he’ll make a recommendation to them, based on whether or not he feels a false narrative should continue to be promoted. There are some potentially bizarre-sounding possibilities here. For example, Peter might decide to have his name taken off the cover but let Warren continue to market it – though in strictly legal terms the book might have to be reclassified as a work of science fiction as opposed to non-fiction. As an interesting aside, while I haven't seen their Cosimo contract, most such literary contracts have an "author's warranty and indemnity" section, where the author warrants that the material isn't plagiarized, doesn't misrepresent anything about the author's background or life story, and doesn't contain material inaccuracies. Given what we now know about Warren and his story, any such clause in their “Left at East Gate” contract would certainly be relevant, and might even invalidate the entire contract. In extremis, Warren might be liable for the return of any monies he's ever obtained from the work.

What of Warren himself? Motivations for hoaxing vary, and are often more complex than people realise. They can include the hope for financial gain, but it usually goes beyond this and often has its roots in attention-seeking, or simply the personal satisfaction of ‘putting one over’ on a group of people you despise and whom you regard as inferior and gullible. I feel genuinely sorry for Peter Robbins and the UFO community. They were played. Warren took their beliefs and exploited them, which is a real shame, given how passionate people are about ufology, and how much they care about their subject. If Warren had any self-respect he’d admit the deception, apologise, and move on: “I fooled you because I could. I’m sorry for the offence I’ve caused and the harm I’ve done”. He’d still be the bad guy in the story, but there’d probably be a sort of grudging respect that he’d put one over on so many people for so long, as well as an acknowledgement that he was man enough to fess up when he was exposed. I doubt this will happen, but perhaps it will when he looks at the two possible ways this will play out. Being hated (and perhaps even grudgingly admired by some) might be a more attractive prospect for him than his current situation. What is his current situation? I now work as a journalist and broadcaster, and with my finger on the pulse of ufology in both the UK and the US, it’s very clear what the current view is. When Warren is mentioned at all (which is happening less and less, incidentally) all people can think about is the comically-photoshopped picture of him and John Lennon, along with his plaintive cry “The pic is real Pete”. And you know what? People don’t hate him at all. They’re laughing at him.