A10 Photograph Taken 28th December 1980 by Larry Warren
Many of you already know that recently I revealed some controversial information regarding the photograph of an A10 accompanied byu two unidentified flying objects. Larry Warren says he took this photograph himself on the 28th of December 1980.
I know for a fact that is a complete and utter lie. He has generated this image to cement himself into the Rendlesham Forest Incidents. Why would he do that if his story stands? Quite obviously even he knows there are issues, as there always have been. He needs to convince us all and so his evidence grows year by year, all of it fake.
Recently I was sent a lot of valuable research material which belongs to Barry Greenwood, Author of Clear Intent which was also written with Larry Fawcett.. The material sent included a whole bunch of photographs given to Fawcett and Greenwood by Warren who at that time had been going by the name of Art Wallace. I stated this in my last blog Peter Robbins splits with Larry Warren It's Official!!
Obviously since that day there has been a response, the facebook post at the top of this page. Bitch please! Bruce Maccabee says it's the real deal and he should know! Well that's at least one thing we agree on Larry. He should know. I know he has been approached and asked by another interested party and the response was that Bruce had taken the photo at face value and was standing by his conclusion that it is a genuine photograph, despite the fact that the original photograph was in colour and has nothing above it at all and the one Warren produced is black and white and has many many issues.
Image found in files left on my partners laptop by Larry Warren while living with us.
A10 with anomalies and coffee cup ring..strange blobs and marks bottom right.
Image analysis by Mick Sayer
Image with inlays
Close up of alleged genuine UFO
In situ
Smaller object. I will come back to this later in the blog. Seemingly insignificant. It'[s not.
Screenshot of the A10 photograph in a photograph album, same roll of film. All colour.
A few months ago I was sent the research notes of Clear Intent as I covered in my previous blog. this material has been invaluable and I am grateful to Barry Greenwood and also Paul Dean for their support and input. I could not have figured this out without these notes. Barry was given material by Warren in the form of documentation, photographs, statements etc. the main issue I had was why is the photograph now black and white and why was it previously UFO free. Reasonable questions I am sure you will agree. so i will show you once again his response to me pointing these issues out and speculating.
Bitch please! It was taken 28th December.
Well, it's a bit weird then that I spotted this while I was flicking through the album last night.
It is so tiny, I really didn't give it much attention.Obviously I had a blinding lightbulb moment.
As Larry tells us in the book Left at East Gate, he visited England with his new bride after their wedding in May 1985. The A10 photograph was taken in June 1985 and not on the 28th of December 1980. That is a total lie. The objects in the photograph were also added later, the colour shifted into black and white to blend away many sins. It's entirely fake.
I have to ask what else has he faked? He has faked so much. If you read back through my blogs you will wonder as I do, who the hell is Larry Warren, does he even know?
There are so many issues with his handwriting, his documents, all of his letters of authentication. I have previously shown many issues with his LOAs and I have found the same issues with his handwriting on his documents. Recently a row erupted with Peter Robbins with plagiarist James Francis Welsh. Peter insists that they are real and the handwriting is not Warrens and so Alyson Dunlop and I after consulting with a few others, agreed that a GoFundMe account should be set up to have the handwriting analysed.
We know full well that Warren will not cooperate with this and so it is highly unlikely the documents themselves will be forensically examined by a professional independent handwriting analyst so we will have to settle on the handwriting itself.
Personally, if I was in Warrens position and completely innocent, I would have taken up the offer of choosing a forensic company myself and staying in full control of the documents. I would want to prove everyone calling me a fraud, wrong. I would pick the company and communicate directly with them myself and would ask my own friends to contribute to prove my innocence once and for all. For some strange reason that is not what is happening. A furor has erupted with Ben Emlyn Jones asking
Yet in the same conversation, David Young asks Ben Emlyn Jones what he did with the money David had donated to Ben's GoFundMe appeal for a nice new laptop for himself. At first he didn't even know what David meant, then casually stated he had used it for his radio show... He didn't ask any of his contributors if that was okay then? Hypocrisy at it's absolute finest. In the same thread, just minutes apart. Just wow.
So as it stands we have collected almost the entire £600 necessary for a totally independent, professional forensic service. All accounts, minus personal information, will be made available along with invoices, receipts and any communications such as emails, letters etc.
IF there happens to be a few pounds left over you can be sure it will be given to a Veterans Fund. If we could have afforded to pay for this ourselves, we would have done. We are extremely grateful to everyone who has contributed in whatever way they could, even sharing the post itself is very much appreciated.
We are not quite at target so if you would like to contribute, this is the link.
With all the previous evidence I have presented and evidences yet to come, I am sure you can appreciate the need for this to be done. It is the only way to prove one way or another if Warren has forged his documents. We can see he has no issue with lying and faking. he admitted to Georgina Bruni that he faked his hypnosis session because someone had paid for it and he didn't want to let them down, him being such a people pleaser an' all...
The Second UFO Furor
Remember this?
This past week UFO witness and researcher Victor Nevada put a very angry post on face book. He had recently seen the Warren photograph and had noticed that the UFO #2 looked identical to his own. He had in fact shown this to Larry warren some time ago.
Victor Nevada's Facebook Post
All Copyright belongs to Victor Nevada. Image taken by Victor Nevada from his bedroom window at 5.13 pm on Friday 2nd July 2004
With just a small amount of smudging, the same amount given to what looks to be an Attack Helicopter, blend with black and white. I can see what Victor is seeing.
But there's just one more thing.....
All of Larry Warrens evidence needs detailed inspection.
So if I may be so bold, I think Bruce Maccabee has taken the photograph sent to him by Larry Warren on face value. I am not a professional image analyst but I have found multiple issues and there are other evidences previously unavailable to Bruce. I am sure he would probably reconsider his conclusion when all of the other evidences have been put before him. Respectfully of course. I had to bring this up due to the fact warren keeps insisting it is real because Bruce Maccabee who is very well known for his expertise in image analysis, says it is genuine. I mean no disrespect to Bruce when I say this.
There are more issues I am going to put to you but they will be in another blog. This A10 photograph as far as I am concerned is a Genuine Larry Warren Fake.
As for James Francis Welsh who says I have hijacked his research, I only have three words to say. Shut up James.
Here is my blog about James stealing my research, he now claims as his own and is accusing me of stealing it from him. so he has now decided the best course of action is to behave exactly like Larry Warren. This blog entry has had another surge of people reading it. I wonder why?
The new rumour that I faked the Larry Warren Photo with Larry for a laugh. It was apparently a joke. You're not kidding... !!!!
Gary Heseltine's stand off with Nick Pope and the UFO Truth Magazine attacks on him.
More evidence of altered images of him with the rich and famous and yet another dodgy UFO photograph.
Until then here is a reminder about the other Genuine Larry Warren Fantasies
Allegedly 19 in this photograph hanging with lennon. Bottom image inserted recently, Larry aged 19
Warren claims the green Garcia Painting was stolen from him yet the thief uses the same auction house as himself and coincidentally, the painting was in the same auction lot as his not stolen Garcia painting. .
This past year has been one of the craziest in Ufology apparently. Never before have they seen such vitriolic abuse, hypocrisy and disinformation, I have been told this by many people. It all started a little over a year ago when my partner and I allowed Larry Warren to stay with us while he ''got on his feet''. His ex wife was grateful as was the rest of his family, they thanked us profusely many times.
After a fun filled four months he was unceremoniously thrown out for his cocaine fueled rages, drinking and constant lies. Peter remained loyal to his co author, Warren did not extend the same courtesy and told him recently to piss off and never talk to him or about him ever again. Peter had questioned Warren on the Lennon photograph thinking that I had created the image but Warren's response was "The pic is real Pete." having had enough Peter wanted no more to do with Rendlesham or Warren's part in it but wanted to remain amicable for the sake of all the work they had done, after all one lie doesn't mean everything is a lie right?
It was to be a massive turning point for internet saucer heads as everyone totally lost their minds while taking sides, having fights, calling names and threatening death in various ways, the scene was seen for what it is. A pond of piranhas in a feeding frenzy. It was a huge nightmarish drama for myself and my family. Who would have thought offering to put a roof over someones head after they asked, would lead to death threats, gangstalking and constant public humiliation at the hands of British ufologists and facebookers over an American conman for over eleven months? Not I. I knew the truth would be difficult for people to accept but I knew that I couldn't live with this knowledge of insurmountable deceit, I had to exorcise the demons but I had to pay the price and boy did I ever.
While living with us Larry Warren dropped quite a few nukes, not mini nukes, we're talking Starfish Prime kind of nukes, the fallout hitting me full pelt, huge lies were being told and huge lies were being admitted to as he blustered about acting forgetful but in reality he was changing the story with deliberate calculation. Not only had he forgotten half of what he told me in the past which set off many alarms, but he was also changing everything he had ever said. He was literally rewriting the Rendlesham forest story (not for the first time either) so that he was the main player, when evidentially there is nothing to support his claims that he was there. I would suggest that he was not involved at all. Read on and you will see why.
He says he was in Germany in his book Left at East Gate and reiterated that in a video produced by Earth Mystery News, the interview was conducted in Toronto, the interviewer was Sid Goldberg. But!! He admitted to Georgina Bruni that he was not in Germany at all, he only said that so that people wouldn't connect the story back to him and his involvement in the initial incident. Making sense? No. Not when he has been the only one to state his real name and show his face to the world from the get go while everyone else remained anonymous.
Having read everything again with fresh eyes and mind, I can now see who he stole which part from, how he sewed himself into people's memories, how he has constantly changed his story, dramatically too, not tiny details either, big ones. The story as Larry Warren tells it, involves a night of (ever changing) terror in the company of Adrian Bustinza. He insists emphatically, one could even say aggressively but definitely categorically that he was nowhere near Halt and his group. Strange then that Adrian states he was with Colonel Halt all night. Something Col Charles Halt told me is true. He said "he stuck to me like his life depended on it" and I am quite sure that was a reasonable reaction to the situation unfolding before them.
Aside from all of the above there is now a huge question mark over the documents he has presented as being proof of his time at bentwaters. The documents he didn't even produce until 1990. In light of his fraudulent actions as far as his rock memorabilia and fictional life can we trust anything he says or any of his evidence. if he can lie about knowing John Lennon, Stevie Ray Vaughan. being on stage with Led Zeppelin in the states when their last gig there was in 1977 and all the rest of it, could he also be lying about his time at Bentwaters? Some think the two are totally unrelated, what have his obviously illegal activities got to do with his account of his part in the Rendlesham Forest incidents?
As I have already shown in my previous blogs, he, or someone close to him, has the ability to manipulate images. So while Warren states he has a B.A in communications (also proven untrue) he also makes a very big fuss about not being able to Skype or send emails, or even manage to remember a password more complicated than ''dennis.'' But he also produces as evidence already debunked photos of himself with Stevie Ray Vaughan which he still insists are real and his seriously terrible John Lennon effort below. Quite a conundrum! (Not). If he can't manipulate images, then someone is doing it for him. If he will forge anything at all then it could be true that he has forged everything he has.
We are to believe Warren is 19 years old in this photograph.
Images courtesy of "Cookie" who was Warren's girlfriend in 1980.
How does this affect what he says about Rendlesham? Well, I will show you but first a little bit of background. Recently I have been sent a lot of valuable research material and also was put in touch with Barry Greenwood, Author of Clear Intent which was also written with Larry Fawcett who is sadly no longer alive. The material sent included a whole bunch of photographs given to Fawcett and Greenwood by Warren who at that time had been going by the name of Art Wallace. This was way back in 1983.
As I am looking through these photographs I see a very familiar image. Warren's infamous A10 photograph. This photograph was posted on facebook at least two years ago, probably three. I have no way of finding out when his original posting as his facebook account was compromised and is no longer available. As luck would have it I remember the unfolding of this very well. Not long after Warren posted this image on his facebook profile, mutual friend Mick Sayer had seen the photo, looked closely and spotted an object above the A10. He then took 'up close' screen shots and inlaid them on the original photograph Warren had posted publicly. Warren was ecstatic. He'd never noticed it before!!! Here is the image with inlays;
Seeing as I had the original photograph given to Barry Greenwood and Larry Fawcett right in front of me, I zoomed in to see it, guess what. It wasn't there! I emailed Barry Greenwood with the original and the current versions and asked for his opinion as I needed to be sure and who better to ask?.
Here is the image Barry Greenwood was given by Warren in the early 80's
Note that the original photograph is in colour but the image with UFO is black and white so I'd definitely not the original photo.
The foliage matches perfectly, it is the same photograph, only the 'UFO' is absent. The white lines are air bubbles in the photograph album, the plastic is perfectly clear and the UFO is quite obviously conspicuous by it's absence. Barry responded to me almost immediately.
I already have evidence showing Warren sold an alleged Jerry Garcia painting for £8000 which has had a recent signature change. I also have plenty of examples of his handwriting bleeding through his attempts to disguise, which matched various 'styles' in every single piece of memorabilia he owns, all allegedly written by different people. His handwriting style bleeds through when he forged his medical documents as James Welsh is currently telling everyone. I know he is right, I have analyzed that 'evidence' myself and found the exact same issues. Recently on a thread on Nick Popes page, I called for Larry Warren and Gary Heseltine to have them properly authenticated, never mind his letter from his mum.
Below are just a couple of the reasons why I really do doubt the authenticity of anything he has. In fact he was so insistent I believe he was on his very first shift, I wonder if he had even finished his training or had not passed. He states he was with Adrian Bustinza all through the incidents that christmas weekend and that he was nowhere near Halts group. Weird then that Adrian Bustinza insists he was with Col Halt and John burroughs all night. How can Adrian possibly be in two places at once? Simple answer is, He couldn't possibly be in two places at once.
Obvious Forgeries;
The same painting was on my computer, left behind by Warren and it has his own signature with 2012 written in the corner.
Warrens signature note the date 2012
Quick change of signature, £8000 in pocket.
Here we can see Warren with his second Garcia Painting, returned unsold.
Not only that but I also have a huge issues with his claims of being in Germany, coming back onto base just in time for his first shift ever as he told me and others more recently. Previously his rhetoric alluded to him having been there so long that his shift on Post 18 was boring as usual, why didn't he say he was on his first shift after only just getting back in the nick of time for his first night on duty in the book LAEG? also begs the question how he ever saw inside the WSA to see the nukes he states were on base. Why didn't they interview Adrian bustinza for their book? But I digress.
In August 2016 Warren gave a talk to an audience in Toronto courtesy of Sid Goldberg and Earth Mystery News. He also did a short interview with Sid Goldberg (below) about the letter to his mum where he says "some guys saw a ufo." and answers a question with "I don't know, I was with those girls in Germany"
Here is a quote from Warren on The ADX Files show 24
00:23:21:746
Warren: "Now people are talking
about this letter I wrote to my mother - and see he doesn't talk about his
thing though but you know what, it's all covered in the book - but as you can
look on this thing Sid Goldberg did - the reality is I was writing what was
told to us in the debriefing about the first night which I thought had been
earlier than ours for a good year or so and what I was doing was trying to be
clever. (Warren Indirectly quoting from his letter: 'I'll tell you the whole
thing on the UFO when I get home. I can't in the mail, they read it.'"
23:51:729
Warren: "But what they're doing is
trying to misdirect, play cards with people that aren't familiar with
Rendlesham Forest that are new to it. And these people are the most
disingenuous - listen we've dealt with insects for many years they don't last.
Once they get into it if they want it."
You will hear him state quite clearly to Sid goldberg that "he was with those girls in Germany". Funny then that he told Georgina Bruni for her book You Can't Tell The People that he lied about being in Germany and was actually on base and involved in the initial incident. Night one? This his statement to Georgina Bruni;
You Can't Tell The People
"A year earlier I had discussed Larry’s alleged trip to Germany with Peter
Robbins. According to Left at East Gate, Larry had just arrived back from
Germany the day before his encounter in Rendlesham Forest. Peter assured me
that was what his co-author had told him, but I was not convinced. If Larry was
in Germany, I thought he could not have been a witness because by his own
admission and his records he was on D Flight, which meant he should have been
on duty during 26/ 27– 28/ 29. Therefore, if he had been involved in the second
landing, he would have already been on duty the day before. However, since then
I had discovered that some of the flights were mixed up due to the Christmas
holidays. With this in mind, I realized Larry could have been on a different
shift that week, but for no reason in particular I had failed to mention my new
findings to Larry or Peter.
Just when I thought I had heard everything, Larry had another surprise in
store for me. He was now confessing that he had never been in Germany during
the Christmas holidays but had used the trip to cover up the fact that he had
been involved in the initial incident. He claimed that if researchers thought
he was out of the country then they would not connect him with it. I was
obviously trying to figure out how anyone could connect him with the
photographs or his alleged involvement when nobody had known anything about it
anyway. This statement was remarkable, considering he had diligently done
everything he could to prove the incident had occurred and especially that he
himself was involved.
Bruni, Georgina; Pope, Nick. You Can't Tell the People: The Definitive
Account of the Rendlesham Forest UFO Mystery (Kindle Locations 1721-1731). Pan
Macmillan. Kindle Edition"
Left At East Gate
The day before Christmas, I left for Germany with my friend Mark. We had
met two German girls in London the previous week at Le Beat Route, a club on
Greek Street. We had gotten along well at the time, and the girls had invited
us to spend the holiday with them and their families near Frankfurt. We had a
great time, despite a severe language barrier. However, I think the girls lost
interest in Mark and me on the second night. We just sat around and stared at
their parents and they at us, while the girls went out with their German
boyfriends. On or about 27 December, we flew back to RAF Mildenhall to begin
our shift the next night.
Robbins, Peter. Left at East Gate (Kindle Locations 1301-1305). Cosimo,
Inc.. Kindle Edition.
Also he admits here to Dot Street in a recorded phone call that he made all the underground stuff up. Dot then played this to Georgina;
“It’s real, Larry’s [Fawcett] lost
interest with the case. You know this underground stuff; Larry to this day does
not believe me. I told Barry [Greenwood] and Larry Fawcett that it didn’t
happen to me. I’m telling you it did not happen. When I first came out with
that, well, I said it did . . . It was March ’81. What can we do about it?
Bustinza and a few others, we went down to this place. This underground garbage,
I’ve erased that stuff for ever. I didn’t even see those space things. I told
Larry, the thing is, March ’81 I got together with some people. We were all
involved, rehashing the whole thing, Bustinza said we were taken down to this .
. . Bustinza wouldn’t give him [Fawcett] specific details of the underground.
If I said I heard it second-hand no one would believe it. Bustinza said we were
taken down to an underground base . . . I did some checking, it seemed there
was some fact to him. I’d hoped that Busty would tell him what we went through.
Busty denied the underground. I had to play devil’s advocate. OK, I did this. I
have an ace in the hole, if I get screwed around by this, it would make . . .”
[tape cut off]
The conversation he is referring to in the tape was his drunken confession to Larry Fawcett and Barry Greenwood that he had made it all up and that he had taken Adrian Bustinza's account and told it because he had made the decision that the story had to be told. No one else shared that sentiment.
In light of the above and so much more I have yet to reveal, how can anyone accept anything about his testimony of events? Those documents he has included in the book Left at East Gate which he readily states he only has them because he stole them, they need to be authenticated. It has been a long time since he tried to get his service records and we only have his word for it that they don't exist. Instead of just getting that done he has spent the past year or so calling me names, trying to wreck some imagined career they believe I think I have, had thirty people in total join in trying to crush me to the point where I am so broken I don't even go on facebook anymore and to form an alliance to have me shut up for good. Threatened me with harm, death, the police, his 'lawyers', even his teenage son and his ex wife and her family are going to kick my ass etc.
It's quite simple. He needs to get those documents authenticated and prove me wrong. I even stated if they are all totally legit, especially the medical notes, I will pay the fees myself. I can't say fairer than that really can I?
It looks to me like he was not involved at all. he was on base, off duty or not even qualified for duty and from a few hours after hearing about what happened in the dorm bar, he collected every bit of information he could from all of the people involved who would talk to him and has consistently changed his story in many ways since with each newly collected snippet of someone else's account. All of which I will be outlining in my forthcoming book 'The Warren Decommission' which will be available sometime in 2017.
So as we approach yet another anniversary of the events, I would like to wish all of the people who were actually involved a very happy new year. I sincerely hope things start to make more sense now the third landing site obviously only ever existed in Warrens imagination, as did his night with Adrian Bustinza. After experiencing the wrath of Larry Warren and his 'hench', I don't need to wonder for even one second why a person might not want to step forward and call him a liar. He might act and sound like Liam Neeson in taken, if he has threatened you, don't believe a word of it. I don't believe a single word he says anymore.
Well after four, two hour hit pieces about myself, the law of averages and irony kicked into effect. Today I joined Alyson Dunlop on her show to address a few matters and try, in the short time we had, talk about as much of it as possible. No way could everything be covered but we did our best in the time allowed.
I know it is a strange turn of events but then that's life.
Since the broadcast of the show Philip Mantle pitched an indignant fit about my comments regarding him. I said he doesn't believe that ET have ever visited this 3rd rock from the Sun so how can he believe they landed. You would be forgiven for thinking that was my terminology, no it is Phil's. he demanded to see my evidence so I made it a cover photo. How do I know he doesn't tell people this before he takes their account and write about it? He was the first person I told along with Russ Callaghan as I explain below, my account was published in UFOData #2.
In 2005 I talked about our group UFO encounter on a forum. Soon after that I had made loads of 'friends'.. some are still friends today. I ended up on another forum. UFOData which was brilliant. Soon after I went to meet Philip Mantle and Russ Callaghan at the Hilton Hotel in Garforth and told them about what had happened to us. It was a relief to have told someone 'significant' and in the know about it and to have finally found someone who believes me and they know what they are talking about.
I had been talking with Russ via email and in the second edition of UFOData Magazine, he published an article about our encounter based on what I had said, using my own words. I thought it was great, finally I could openly live with the thing that almost killed me and actually killed on of our group.
By the next issue, a couple of articles I had written myself were published and became an official part of the UFOData Magazine team . That was such a brilliant time, I really enjoyed it. I liked everyone, there was an element of fun attached to it now so it was overwriting the horror. After a short while things were going off in my life and I dropped out of the Magazine and sadly it folded about a year later. That still disappoints me that it didn't take off as it should have.
Over the years a couple of things upset the apple cart with Philip Mantle for a couple of friends of mine, but after points were made, things moved on. Then one day I was in a conversation on Andy Roberts page, when I read the words in the screen shot below.
So when I say Philip Mantle writes books about peoples accounts but he doesn't believe them it is with good reason. If I knew this was how he felt, I would NEVER have told him.
He asked me not too long ago if I would write about our encounter in Wales because he is writing a book about UFO LANDINGS. He doesn't believe that happens. I did not contribute, I thought about it because after all Phil was the first "Official Person" (as I initially perceived him to be) I had told, it would be some kind of full circle. But then, He doesn't believe it! He blocked me some time recently. So if I had contributed to his book about UFO’s landing, he would be selling it now and I would be blocked. Malcolm Robinson did the same thing to ‘Scully15’ recently. She contributed to one of his books and he blocked her from his Facebook page. Things got heated in SPI Scotland and she was removed from the group. She was then accused of sophistry for asking reasonable questions!! Scully contributed one of her accounts to his books which he still sells.
He didn't tell me his thoughts and feelings as he so freely told everyone who might pass by that comment that's there forever. Ultimately I found out when I read that comment. So... there you have the reason for me saying on the ADX files show with Alyson Dunlop that I think Philip Mantle's behaviour is disingenuous.
Russ Callaghan has always been straight down the line with me. So this is not about him in any way shape or form, it is about my experience in the UFO community from the very beginning, and why I see it as I do. I am not anything other than a witness and an experiencer. No book.. No conference. None of that. It is my life not my profession and I can talk about anything that has happened to me, the above happened to me.
After hearing the show Philip approached Alyson and asked for a chance to respond and she informed me of this. So I suggested we actually debate this together on Alyson’s show as she had agreed to give him a chance to retort. I said, well, I would like to retort his retort because the evidence speaks for itself. Having been at logger heads ourselves in the not too distant past, she knows i am not some screeching hysteric who doesn’t know how to talk to people, not like certain people I could mention.
A ridiculous conversation ensued on Alyson’s FB page with Phil Mantle refusing to unblock me to talk about it, she had to screenshot his message, post it for me to see, then she had to screen shot my reply for him to see. It was beyond pathetic. Within about five minutes, she was blocked too. There will be no debate between Mantle and myself because he can’t handle that kind of conversation and he really should be putting this right, I mean was he lying to Andy to seek his approval or is it more likely that he meant it and really doesn’t believe the stories he collects and sells?
If you want people to speak highly of you, you need to behave better.
As a witness, I haven't only witnessed UFOs, I have witnessed at close range and have many times been subject to, the behaviour of certain personalities for ten years! Now that might not be as long as everyone else, but it is long enough for me to see that it is nothing but a pond of piranhas in a feeding frenzy.
Brenda Butler is a well known name within ufology in the UK. Brenda was the first civilian to investigate the events, she is integral to the unfolding story we call the Rendlesham Forest Incidents. Over the past 35 years she has interviewed the witnesses, written a book called Sky Crash, given nowhere near enough talks on her research and thoughts, but she has been out there walking the walk, literally, for three and a half decades.
All that could soon come 'Sky Crashing' down due to the intended actions of one man. For decades Brenda has been held responsible for almost every incident happening in that forest at night whether she was there or not. So connected to that forest is she, people often refer to it as Brendlesham Forest. Over the years Brenda has formed a good relationship with the Forestry Commission. She keeps everything as low key as possible, tells people to form small groups, stay safe. If you injure yourself in that vast forest at night it might be impossible for people to find you.
Brenda can not do tours, she cannot charge money, she cannot take large groups and so most of the traffic on a night is nothing to do with her, but is tolerated because people abide by those guidelines. It is only because of the relationship she has with the Forestry Commission that anyone is allowed in there on a night. They would really rather people did not go in at night at all. As you read on you will see how these walks are now completely under threat.
New Ufology, The Ultimate Ultimatum.
Some months ago I talked about a new ufology, a new ideal within ufology, after all what could possibly be new apart from the way people behave? After writing the blog Alyson through the looking glass and publishing it on the 19th of August, ending it with the terminology "A New Ufology". Sue Demeter St Claire left a comment underneath saying "Here's to a new ufology". My version of a new ideal would be to have events where we hear from the witnesses and experiencers themselves. No researchers just for once, we want to hear from and talk directly to the people who saw it and lived it too.
By the 22nd of August, Nigel Mortimer announced he was putting on a conference and was calling it New Ufology. The line up consisted of my friends and some who were far from friends. I was unperturbed by this, why would I begrudge my friends an opportunity to do the very thing they do? I wasn't going to put on a conference called New Ufology anyway. By the 25th of August the advertising of this event was in full swing. So was the obsessive postings about me after calling him a snakeoil salesman and for running off with a couple of words that mean nothing on their own. He admitted in a letter to Alyson Dunlop this week that he was talking about a 'New UFO Awareness' event for three years but suddenly decided to call it New ufology and it has nothing to do with me saying it because basically it is the same thing in a five page letter to Alyson Dunlop imploring her to find the goodness in herself and not listen to anyone but him.
"The agenda (for them who have short term memory loss?) that
started with Sacha Christie (and a couple of others who sidled up to her then
and have raised their mugs again now) 3 years ago when I was gong to start the
'New UFO Awareness' conference (the same idea as New Ufology tbh) then, is all
that this is really about. Yes, I am an easy target because I claim extra-ordinary
things like channeling, psychic awareness, etc., but one thing I do not do is attack people
for no good reason at the very personal level.
'SW' is just carrying on that which SC started back then, without
concern for anyone but himself or others"
Below is a strange comment considering SW has literally nothing to do with Ufology at all. He is just a man who uses Facebook and happens to live in Woodbridge, Suffolk. He is also claiming in this letter about SW to Alyson Dunlop that is that SW is doing my bidding. So really, this is just another way for him to keep talking about me obsessively because I don't think he can open doorways to other dimensions or anything else for that matter. He has told Nigel this several times, he has also stated that he is not acting on my behalf, nor has he ever. Nigel told people in his "I'm not a bully" video that if they were friends with me then they are not decent people and backs a man who called everyone connected to me 'brainless scum' then blames me for the backlash of insulting around 7000 people connected to me through any one of my THREE (not 30!!) Facebook accounts.
".Find the goodness within you Alyson, and tell this trouble causer 'Steve Watson', where to go. Preferably out of the subject and far away from us all" . I'm not a bully, you're not decent people video.
The Visit.
As everyone involved knows, I was going to be visiting them all in September in Suffolk and we were going to discuss recent events and have a social evening too. Nigel beat me to it. So off he goes to Rendlesham Forest and lo and behold, he sees four grey aliens!! Within a few days he has a conference talk booked to talk about his exciting adventure, had written up his report and published it. I didn't go for obvious reasons.
The next course of action he decided to take was to tell every mutual friend on our list to make the decision, they can't be friends with both of us. Before long Nigel had lost five of his original speakers. Tony Topping however decided that an hour or so at a conference had more value than the personal friendship we had for 11 years. We met in October 2005 and continued our friendship, I even attended his fortieth birthday party. So five down and one 'win' for Nigel, no loss to me quite obviously. You can't lose what you didn't have in the first place. Brenda and Derek Savory both refused to bow to his demands and decided to pull out of the event. Kevin Goodman was relieved of duty due to him refusing to bow to Nigel's demands.
As this has unfolded I can now see that I was supposed to fall out with my friends for fraternizing with the enemy. When I didn't, he issued them ultimatums to fall out with me or more precisely remove me from their Facebook friends list. Over a week or so Nigel lost five of his original line up due to them refusing to bow to their demands. All of his manipulation techniques fell flat on their face. After his visit to the forest, his demands no met, he decided to release this video. In this video he says he will be revealing the locations of the so called portals because he was given the information in channeling.
End of days.
If Nigel reveals protected areas there is a possibility that people will start trampling places they ought not to while trying to find these locations. It completely undermines Brenda and if the Forestry Commission become aware of this, then it will not be looked upon favorably. It will shatter Brenda's relationship with them and it could be very likely that any visits to the forest at night will be totally disallowed.
I have known Brenda for eleven years, this to her will be the worst thing that could possibly happen and the responsibility of it will be on her shoulders because she accompanied Nigel to the forest. She did not invite him, he paid a visit. Nigel knows this, Brenda tells everyone the same thing. So he knows that revealing certain locations is directly against Brenda's wishes. So it is interesting that that is what he is saying he is going to do don't you think? This man who released a video saying he is not a bully after several people told him he was.
I know for a fact that this is everything that Brenda Butler does not want. We could all lose out if he goes ahead and does this entirely selfish act. No one even has to turm up and i doubt that many people read and listen to his rubbish anyway. That never even has to happen, all that needs to happen is the Forestry Commission to hear about this and then the delicate agreements between the Commission and Brenda are over. The forest is owned by The National Trust and they conduct their own tours as it is part of their industry. They have all the necessary insurances etc. It is not carte blanche do what you want when it comes to the National Trust. They have a no camping on Trust land law, they don't mess about.
A letter to Alyson
Message
for Alyson Dunlop,
From Nigel Mortimer.
Please do not take any notice
of the things you are being told by a person calling himself 'Steve
Watson'. He is behind a lot of the present troubles and will drag you into his
orbit of hate with his sly actions. He is not telling you the truth. I tell you
that in all honesty (even if you have chosen to call me a bully and a liar
yourself -evident from your posts about me. That does not matter, only the
truth of all this matters Alyson) - that makes no difference to me
because I know my actions were and have always been for the good of Ufology and
not to hurt anyone in the subject I love.
Please listen to the decent
people like Malcolm Robinson and Bill Rooke in the subject. They will talk
sense to you. I can tell you that this 'Steve Watson' character is only
interested in causing division within the subject and will turn everyone he can
against each other. He acts immaturly towards me and Helen and then try's to
talk to you in a sensible civilised manner (I have seen his posts to you), but
he is using reversal of the truth tactics to do this, so that you listen to
him. He knows that you are upset with me at this time and is lying to you about
his sincerity.
I do not need to tell you this.
I could just ignore it all and get on with what I do best...Ufology and the
search for truth. But he is going to end up in a lot of serious trouble soon,
even though he blatantly thinks he is not, as did SC. I do not dislike you
enough to ignor the fact that he will pull you into his orbit of pure vileness
and you will agree to what he does and says in such an awful manner , just
because you don't like me anymore. Have you not seen the photo's in emails that
he sent me that I have posted? They are utterly degrading -they have been
sourced and logged by the police and traced to the actual sender behind 'Steve
Watson'. He says to you and others, that I have made them up to seek
attention and sent them to myself! C'mon Alyson, I'. 57 years old, not a silly
little schoolkid. Why would I do that if I am saying here, yet again, that I do
not want anymore of this to carry on and have been asking for all this stop
over and over again to these people? That is not back-tracking as he states. It
is me trying to stop people listening to his lies about myself and Helen. His
language is so immature that I am actually finding it very difficult to see how
anyone with an ounce of sense is actually listening to him or conversing with
him as you have done! After speaking with you on the show, I really did think
that you were one of the more sensible and grounded people in the subject.
He thinks that he will go on
and on like this until I quit the subject or until I am affected by this so
that my reputation is destroyed. That is just fantasy. I have been around a lot
longer than yourself or SW and I can say without hessitation, now and again
small insignificant people like SW come along, think they are the be all and
say all, but have very little to actually offer the subject. That is the sad
truth. I have proven my own worth over all these years and that, again sad to
say, bugs these types of people. I have been around 35 years Alyson. That needs
to sink in. I have seen it all, so what is happening with you and Steve Watson,
is of very little consequence to me persoanlly. But, when it affects my loved
ones and friends, then that is somethign different. Little upstarts like SW,
are two a penny. They want to feel important, but they actually have nothing to
offer the subject. Like he says himself, he is not a Ufologist.....so what the
hell is he actually doing in the subject and commenting on it in any way?
I think any sensible person
knows why he is involved and what his agenda really is. It is not an important
one in the whole scheme of things...just a pathetic one.
The agenda (for them who have
short term memory loss?) that started with Sacha Christie (and a couple of
others who sidled up to her then and have raised their mugs again now) 3 years
ago when I was gong to start the 'New UFO Awareness' conference (the same idea
as New Ufology tbh) then, is all that this is really about. Yes, I am an easy
target because I claim extra-ordinary things like channeling, psychic
awareness, etc., but one thing I do not do is attack people for no good
reason at the very personal level. 'SW' is just carrying on that which SC
started back then, without concern for anyone but himself or others.
I worked as a teacher with
people like SW in schools. He is what is termed 'hard to reach' and shows all
the attributes of someone with very little intelligence or forward thinking in
his actions. Like he stated to me in one of his disgusting emails, ' I have
been arrested by the police 20 times before, do you think I'm bothered what you
do!' as if that is a badge of honour. How sad is that. How sad that you have
taken on board what he says about me when this truth about him says it all
Alyson.
Of course, again, you can
choose to do what you want to Alyson. That is your free choice and I am not
bullying you into anything as you have recently accused me of. I do not believe
that I did any bullying that time either and I have explained why I did what I
did with unfriending and blocking people connected to SC in full already in a
FB statement last week. I do not need to keep justifying that to anyone. You
may choose to ignore my words and listen to those of SW, who I am certain will
try to reverse all of this to his advantage, once he knows of it, and maybe you
won't mind that if he does? I don't know, but I am prepared to take the chance
that you will read this all through a couple of times first. What I do know is
that this will be stopped soon as far as SC and SW are concerned, within
months. For certain. I can't make myself any clearer than that. I hope,
however, you will choose to listen to common sense and stop fueling (or listen
to SW fueling SC's fire) something that is not needed in the subject.
With time and a lot of healing,
there could be a way back from all of this. I know many in the subject would
like us ALL to show solidarity and respect for each other. I do not say that
out of weakness, I say it out of respect for each other as human beings, even
for people like SC and SW, who are doing a lot of this becauyse they lack the
ability to focus their energies into positive things. Who knows, it may actually
not be their own faults why they do this and other factors in their lives may
come into play, causing them to hit out at what they regard as an easy target?
And I know you and a few others promote the notion that I am to blame, when
honestly I did nothing wrong at the start of it all a couple months back. SC's
attacks on me and Helen came completely out of the blue as her own blog page
shows! I certainly have not been attacking SC for a year like SW states. I have
been far to busy to even have given her a second thought - mainly because I was
moving home in that time. Helen and I was attacked by SC out of nowhere,
because she said I stole her 'New Ufology' idea from her on her blog then went
on to say I am wrong for charging for events. Both of those presumptions are
wrong in themselves, but even if she did think that, they were no excuse for
how she went on to persoanlly attack me and my wife with abusive commnents. The
level of immaturity shown with what she says and how she says it, is beyond
belief!
Don't you think that most, if
not all of this is childish? I know, that you were upset at me saying that
Alyson in that FB post about Larry Warren, but I did so not to trivialise
anything, but to help people see that pushing buttons with him will not resolve
anything. This back and forth, you attack me, I attack you, is just childish
playground behaviour, and as I say, as a teacher of pre-16's who lacked basic
skills in colleges and schools, I saw this kind of behaviour a lot, so I know
what I am talking about. Why do you think the police are listening to me and
not to SC? They can se what level these so-called experts in their fields, are
actually behaving like and it is childish. Do you really want to be associated
with that kind of behaviour? Yes, some of the things that LW does and
says I do not agree with. And whether or not he causes trouble for anyone, 1,
it is none of my business and 2, Larry's problems with SC are his own. I am not
connected to them in any way like SW is saying. Ask him to prove I am and he
will fall flat on his face. LW is following up his own claims of abusive
attacks by SC in his own way, and from what I see and read, SC is doing the
same towards LW. I can state without a shadow of doubt, no matter what reversed
rubbish SW is saying to you, Larry warren plays no part in the police
investigations that I have taken out on SC and SW. They are purely to do with
how those two persons mentioned here have abused me and Helen for several weeks
now for no good reason other than jealousy.
Due to the actions I took to
'unfriend' people (which I did not want to do with friends on FB and this was
very difficult for me to suggest, never mind actually action, but had to do
because some of them were supplying a link (knowingly or otherwise) to SC and
whatever I said on FB (good or bad or indifferent) was getting back to her and
vice-versa causing others like SW to comment and cause more troubles by mixing
these comments up with their own slants on things and I had put this reason on
the record for a week before I did anything) , this was construed by you and
Derek Savory as me bullying people into making forced choices. I wasn't. But,
to be honest, tough-titty! Here, I had a good friend in Derek, whom we had just
been down to visit at Rendlesham, had a brillient time together and then
find he can't stand up for his friend, when he has already agreed previously
that he thinks that Sacha Christie was out of order for her actions and abusive
comments towards me and Helen (and others). Yet, he can't unfriend her, no
matter what, as he doesn't agree with that sort of thing. But, he
does actually....only when it suits him. He unfriended Russ Kellet once, from
what Helen and I remember, and he, along with Brenda Butler unfriended me in
the last few days in an instant! So, you see not is all as it is sometimes made
out to be, is it? I am not trying to blame Derek here, but I do think it is sad
that a friend puts a known trouble-causer (SW) above a close friend (for that
is what I thought we were all these years?) just because he doesn't tend to
agree with Larry Warren and he knows the two are at loggerheads, so makes his
camp with SC although verbally he does not commit himself to say that, whether
she is like that or not...
Drek Savory is better than that.
I know this from the years of work we have done together on the portals
subject. I hope one day he will understand what he did was a kick in the
teeth for me, never mind me bullying anyone. That was just a cop-out.
Find the goodness within you
Alyson, and tell this trouble causer 'Steve Watson', where to go. Preferably
out of the subject and far away from us all. You need to tell him this and he
may listen, because I have tried several times and he just reverses everything
like an attention-seeking child. Although I am not a person who thinks disputes
should be settled by means outside of listening & consideration, and I will
always be happy to let the police do what they will do with SW and SC when that
time arrives, I hope they are saving up their pennies - they have gone too far
with me and it is now payback time. I have lost a bit of income due to the
upset that those two have caused as I have not been able to focus properly on
my work /writing/etc., and had a couple of talks denied me by their actions
and falsehood about me, but this is all logged with the police (Watson is in
for a big shock, as he does not know what connections in the force I have) and
will be something I will be pursuing soon in the small claims courts. Oh,
naughty me, there I go again....only in the subject to make money!
Diddums....not really me is it (those who really know me, will know why I
am in this subject and how much I have put into it for the good of others for
years and years. So, if nobodies like SC and SC want to come along and
try upset me and my loved ones due to nothing short of pure jealousy, then this
is the only way I feel they will listen and maybe stop what they are dong to me
and innocent others). Maybe a lesson will be learned for them & others that
if you are going to make slanderous claims about people, abuse their integrity,
then you need to get your facts right.
I like to think that if I ever
cross SW's path, he will be sorry he called me those names, lied about me in
the way he has done so and the same substance that he keeps sending to me and
my wife through emails, will find itself leaving a nasty taste in his throat!
He is so brave behind his keyboard, but enough is enough. And when you
find yourself chatting with him online Alyson, you need to remind him of this.
I am not scared one little bit of his pathetic threats. I can handle myself if
I need to -even at my old age, as he puts it - and maybe a bit of
'verbal' abuse in his direction is something he might understand. He
certainly doesn't understand decency or mutual respect. You can tell SW, if he
pisses off and leaves me alone to get on with what I do best in this subject
and I have a lot of support to show that what I do do is enjoyed, respected and
appreciated, I'll do the same. If he carries on doing SC's bidding while they
both play the innocent game, and try to badmouth me in future, well....I have said
what I have said.....they will suffer for it themselves. An eye for an eye and
all that. Not my way, but I am bloody fuming with putting up with idiots who
can't give anything to the subject that is of any use to anyone, so all they
can do, is attack those who can.
Ask yourself, what exactly have
these two people actually done in the subject that benefits anyone lately?
Nothing. It would be much better for everyone concerned if they took
their hate elsewhere or started to actually do some good in Ufology to take it
forward. If, as SC claims that I 'stole' her idea about New Ufology, why
instead of trolling and attacking people like myself, doesn't she use that
energy to show everyone what her own idea is all about? It may turn out to be
better placed than my own, who knows,but at least she will be doing something
positive for herself for once. It is obvious she is a very insecure person and
she should take heed of these words. If not, her own negativity will be her own
downfall in time. Same goes for SW.
None of us want any of this
trouble. It is time for it all to stop. Full stop! I wish that I could say to
the police today, forget it all, they've stopped doing this, but as long as SC
and SW keep all of these attacks up, then I have no choice but to keep sending
it all to the police as evidence of their actions. Thankfully, in the last week
or so, Sacha Christie has gone quieter (or at least I have not been aware of
anything more said about me from her quarter mainly due to unfriending people
associated with her, so that seems to be working)and I do have some knowledge
that SC has asked others aligned with herself not to keep fueling the fires
using her name. I hope that is genuine and I hope that this change in direction
will continue. I am not saying this in a nicer way because I want to
back-track. I have said nothing and have done nothing to back-track from as far
as I am aware. I am saying this in a 'better, positive 'manner, so that others
might see that all I want is for all of the abusive attacks on me /Helen to
stop. As I have said, there may be a way back from all of this, but that is
entirely up to those involved to stop dong what they are doing wrong.
Why would I be saying that to
you, if I wanted to 'bring people down' or 'con them' or make things up about
them...or even bully them, Alyson? Where is the logic or advantage for me in
that? I know you are not a stupid person after talking with you, so
please try to see what is really happening here. If you can't, please at least
ask SW to act normally, sensibly and respectfully in all of this and leave me
and Helen alone. What he is doing is getting a bit boring for most people now
and eventually he will run out of people to 'impress' his false views upon. He
needs to go out and find himself a 'magic portal' and see if he can lose
himself in it so that we can ALL get some rest from his childish stupidity.
That would do us all a favour.
A letter to everyone about Sacha Christie by Nigel Mortimer. (read from my google drive)
I have been reported to the police for the reaction people had to his insults. There are another 100 or so of these. Obsessed? Why? I called him out for all of the above.
What alliance? We said shut her up for good ALLEGIANCE.
But now it's Alyson Dunlop's turn.
I am so intrigued as to how they think they can enforce this banishment of Alyson and gagging of myself. Are they going to shadow me and every time I speak blow an air horn? Stand by me all day and if the phone rings start smashing pots and pans so I can't hear anything? Every time I log on is someone going to hover over me smashing the keyboard every time I try and type? If someone comes to the door are they going to stand there saying "bler bler bler bler bler" over the conversation? Are they going to petition Mr Internet to have Alyson and I ex communicated? Where do they get this sense of entitlement from? How much power do they think they have? It would be funny if it wasn't tragic.
Yet they call me the ex nuthouse inmate psychotic mental case yadadadada.... Well quite obviously, it takes one to recognize another, what I am seeing is not exactly balanced is it?
Gotta go, my rubber bus is here.
Update 19.10.16
Goodbye, Farewell, Auf Weidersehen, Hello.
Back again. It's been a few days since Nigel Mortimer decided to leave Facebook, as if doing so was something akin to leaving the enterprise in an escape pod. Maybe he meant it?... Naaaah! Anyway.. He wasn't going to go anywhere without a farewell. Here it is.
Audrey Starborn Spewing
On Nigels Facebook post of this video Audrey (Starborn) Hewins of Starborn (experiencer) Support, FREE and Experiencers Speak conference in America, left him this message which clearly telegraphs what a stable person she is, positively flooding us off our feet with her empathy. she is right, she doesn't know anyone who associates with me, because she does not know anything about me, if she did she would see that we have a log of people in common, especially Mike Melton, voice of Starborn Support Radio. We are good friends and have been for many years.
Just a few comments from my Facebook discussion on these remarks
Fame Whores Need to Vapourize
This is where larry warren starts spinning a new tale of never being told he was banned from the venue. This is clearly not true and I passed evidence on to Alyson Dunlop who is now their focus of attention, which proves they were all very well aware of the situation. I will leave it to her to reveal that little gem.
The Uni Didn't Ban Me THEY Did!
The University were the ones to ban him from the premises, not the members of SPI Scotland. Alyson has released all of the communications between herself and Glasgow University which clearly show the University were responsible.
So the saga continues as more and more of them throw their teddies out of the pram.
I'll be back with the rest of their tales of woe. Stay tuned, I just had my besom fitted with a NOS kit. I'm going to Alyson's for a game of Quidditch and a go on the Roswell Slide. Check back later, gotta go.
