tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69145012807973421342024-03-05T06:38:15.790+00:00Sacha Christie - Infomaniac HousewifeInvestigator, Agenda Bender, TruthFINDER, Writer, Speaker, Artist, Web addict and Red Pill Rebel Without a Pause.Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.comBlogger94125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-20667488184594523482022-05-18T11:16:00.390+01:002022-05-25T07:55:57.946+01:00Flying Saucy Heads (with updates). <table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2ramlo9od_frmJZqWpAkFVVyKQ-Awc8SEa7-YdQRq2BkEx2gLfNt1ta5HidjsDw62NzeOEhspg7bU1p77a112bG6RNiIn-EVuNvvpFkFmpBZYwGCX33MYstWQpLyH1DCphSqHYDObPZp0o6sTA6O3TNuqSLsTR1ihLKqVvmT7j8BSB9nWGt2bBNIG/s912/FB_IMG_1652858628149.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="684" data-original-width="912" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2ramlo9od_frmJZqWpAkFVVyKQ-Awc8SEa7-YdQRq2BkEx2gLfNt1ta5HidjsDw62NzeOEhspg7bU1p77a112bG6RNiIn-EVuNvvpFkFmpBZYwGCX33MYstWQpLyH1DCphSqHYDObPZp0o6sTA6O3TNuqSLsTR1ihLKqVvmT7j8BSB9nWGt2bBNIG/w400-h300/FB_IMG_1652858628149.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">NK Kranda and Peter Robbins </td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div><u>Special NK</u></div><div><br /></div>There are some remarkable people in ufology. I have met one person in particular, whom I believe is going to do some absolutely amazing things for experiencers and witnesses of high strange, phenomena. She collates peoples accounts, archiving them, offers them an ear, some comfort, love and friendship. She is an experiencer herself, I won't go into her experiences because it is up to her who she shares her intimate horrors and traumas with. <br /><br />I think she is special, in a way that you do not see all the time. You know, one of those people you look at, you can FEEL them and you just know, she is going to help people. I knew it right from the minute I met her but couldn't figure out the draw but I <i>am</i> very drawn to her, as are many of us and it has nothing to do with her looks. I eventually figured it out, she gives good mind, she is funny, she is authentic, very insightful and intelligent. Everything the people in question are not and could never be. <div><br /></div><div>When I got to know her, I decided there and then, no matter what, I would try and help this woman achieve her goals, because she has got what it takes and her goals are my goals, we want to help people like us. She WILL heal people, she will do great things. She already does, and anyone who cares about experiencer support, should get behind her and give her everything she needs to do it. After all, she is up against a mountain of misogyny and she is healing from trauma, as all genuine experiencers are. We do not have easy lives. </div><div><br /></div><div><u>Misogyny Rules</u></div><div><div><br /></div><div>But for the most part, Ufoology doesn't care for healing. It doesn't care about where it gets its bread and butter from. It wants the story, it wants the data, it wants the attention. Ufology gets all of its information from witnesses, then it takes a huge dump on them and leaves them standing. It also hates women as I have shown in my blogs previously. It is thick with it and it is up to the men of ufology to change that, misogynists do not listen to women. </div><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/08/gary-heseltine-says-he-does-not-book.html" target="_blank">Gary Heseltine says he does not book women to speak at his conferences because they can't stand up in front of 200 people and present evidence. </a><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/08/53-men-and-5-women-speakers-at-ufo.html">53 men and 5 women speakers at UFO Truth Magazine conferences but Gary Heseltine says I am twisting his words.</a><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>You can say what you like about Nick Pope but he stepped forward to highlight the outrageous misogyny in Ufology, during the relentless and insidious victimisation of myself and my family for telling the truth, about major lies within Ufology. </div><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/10/theft-at-east-gate-by-nick-pope.html">Theft At Eastgate Nick Pope</a><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Now I am not talking about every individual here, but even some of the women in ufology, hate women in ufology. Internalized misogyny in women is very real, I have experienced it myself from day one, because I am not meek, mild, demure, I am ME, I am not a professional and I am not a persona and I will not tolerate bullshit. I am living my life, my friend is also living her life. </div><div><br /></div><div>So what did I see? This.... </div><div><br /></div><div>Click on images to enlarge</div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgXHpI0O7CRTcPUDXb6kTaiq-L5Ac7fVqot6dYYfr2Seq2cJMAvf9NeN1aUf2d3jOAoUojG91NGjjmKuZelHlBJ1LZsy69DG1_G2cLuEReiGo4kFTH4eAowTCkzj3EX5evSTUdPCJ_SIu5PBF-zn1LuxjFLTYC7c23fPH-1klM5LD00qePhnA0szHvL/s2027/Screenshot_20220518-094157_Facebook.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2027" data-original-width="972" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgXHpI0O7CRTcPUDXb6kTaiq-L5Ac7fVqot6dYYfr2Seq2cJMAvf9NeN1aUf2d3jOAoUojG91NGjjmKuZelHlBJ1LZsy69DG1_G2cLuEReiGo4kFTH4eAowTCkzj3EX5evSTUdPCJ_SIu5PBF-zn1LuxjFLTYC7c23fPH-1klM5LD00qePhnA0szHvL/w306-h640/Screenshot_20220518-094157_Facebook.jpg" width="306" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjrWUkTpKLKwLseM_YGDOHBw06AMXn2GXEDXkL82-0RYVl_LZa1hKGOODg5Tk-Cb5LzDi3d_zQU61SD70GKdwTIMtdhp7s0V8vQE9YvMONlOxVy8yrI5lt3zuu74bQ0aB3de5XQCtJ54YToFOnydAFQKI3T1TDPGASVIZ1ky2kPvwk3W9uTFo0b8atM/s2048/FB_IMG_1652863321695.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="946" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjrWUkTpKLKwLseM_YGDOHBw06AMXn2GXEDXkL82-0RYVl_LZa1hKGOODg5Tk-Cb5LzDi3d_zQU61SD70GKdwTIMtdhp7s0V8vQE9YvMONlOxVy8yrI5lt3zuu74bQ0aB3de5XQCtJ54YToFOnydAFQKI3T1TDPGASVIZ1ky2kPvwk3W9uTFo0b8atM/w296-h640/FB_IMG_1652863321695.jpg" width="296" /></a></div><br /><div>Edit: (19.05.22)</div><div><br /></div><div>The conversation continues </div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjjI8jBX5lYLiXmKgCl0AqH-sdyhDkd4aXNGLs53wAvB9T4TE0NrN8b-Q17J6fr9Moq9S7pEw186VsSs8mprwHlfqdrT3wK_pM_lzSkOZCzDufbhXhsXt4JEkojowshPyBEGyTq-qoMP7BVlzSbKcSfoMt3bc1gaVtsgU2NjITK_j8AcKjurnLGwZWK/s1178/part%202.PNG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1178" data-original-width="938" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjjI8jBX5lYLiXmKgCl0AqH-sdyhDkd4aXNGLs53wAvB9T4TE0NrN8b-Q17J6fr9Moq9S7pEw186VsSs8mprwHlfqdrT3wK_pM_lzSkOZCzDufbhXhsXt4JEkojowshPyBEGyTq-qoMP7BVlzSbKcSfoMt3bc1gaVtsgU2NjITK_j8AcKjurnLGwZWK/w319-h400/part%202.PNG" width="319" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqDVI8ImweBCTIO2SojeiCliOrI-TNLn-5EAA4ihJbjzMAywx6OJd2dYQyrJUED2hmduFzQz1tbnFyMuec0zfiXuErBK9F7ffxg_43yZr5x41g-BmrCCgA_sP0ph5uwJQcVhxQ2Yty6jj_M08mxZpAGVMKg4CZ_NS-gFB3-cmRKIsSqZx06x4XjphR/s1231/part%202%202.PNG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1231" data-original-width="920" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqDVI8ImweBCTIO2SojeiCliOrI-TNLn-5EAA4ihJbjzMAywx6OJd2dYQyrJUED2hmduFzQz1tbnFyMuec0zfiXuErBK9F7ffxg_43yZr5x41g-BmrCCgA_sP0ph5uwJQcVhxQ2Yty6jj_M08mxZpAGVMKg4CZ_NS-gFB3-cmRKIsSqZx06x4XjphR/w299-h400/part%202%202.PNG" width="299" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjmXRl7rQXDgAB1KSndOJ90oSnnkjdW0yY3Enn2nI4tvQxZlxNfFo0hwW8o6PFlwLzAkt1INkJ8OBu2Qf1XoC9kccgD7tUQv6lUn7VPWIWau4KcAtoDs6rxk3UYkPzZLdPpZuSgoAmWcPwG67ov7NaS9IA27_arPj52dx3cyGKG4VZlgoM2zJTn1U5_/s1042/Cadan%20chaney%20continuation.PNG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="942" data-original-width="1042" height="289" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjmXRl7rQXDgAB1KSndOJ90oSnnkjdW0yY3Enn2nI4tvQxZlxNfFo0hwW8o6PFlwLzAkt1INkJ8OBu2Qf1XoC9kccgD7tUQv6lUn7VPWIWau4KcAtoDs6rxk3UYkPzZLdPpZuSgoAmWcPwG67ov7NaS9IA27_arPj52dx3cyGKG4VZlgoM2zJTn1U5_/s320/Cadan%20chaney%20continuation.PNG" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>Dan Chaney:</div><div><br /></div><div><div>"NK Miranda also likes to make videos of herself reading from books in her underwear to draw your attention & when you call her out on it like I did & others did-you get cussed out & blocked by her. You won't see prominent women in ufology doing that. Go ahead & cuss me out, rake me over the coals,etc.-Just beacause someones beautiful & in a bra & gstring doesn't add to the narrative of serious ufology-I'm calling it like it is".</div><div><br /></div><div>Reply</div><div>William Pullin</div><div><br /></div><div>"Your comments are spot on Sir,. Thank you for your honesty"</div><div><br /></div><div>Reply</div><div>Dan Chaney</div><div><br /></div><div>"William Pullin very welcome-if you want to be taken seriously in the field of ufology-have some dignity, respectability, taste & bring SOMETHING other than your scantilly clad body to the narrative"!</div></div><div><br /></div><div>EDIT: Further conversation. </div><div><br /></div><div><div>Chad Laibly</div><div>Dan Chaney 1) you will never in your life know a woman half as amazing as her.</div><div>2) NK has never put herself out there as a UFOlogist, she deals with the paranormal but all the UFOlogists want to keep inviting her to talk.</div><div>3) What have you done in the field? Sitting on the couch with your hands in the hole in your pocket doesn’t count.</div><div>Reply1 hEdited</div><div>Chad Laibly</div><div>William Pullin ha ha ha…spot on for an envious little boy. You don’t even know the first thing about her, if ya did you would know she’s a paranormal expert not UFO. She just keeps getting asked to join UFO conversations because she’s so well-informed.</div><div>Unlike you.</div><div>We’ve done a few interviews together and she’s always professional and mature and informative.</div><div>Oh I’ll wait while you Google those words to understand what they mean…clearly you have no idea what it’s like to be any of those things.</div><div>Reply1 hEdited</div><div>Dan Chaney</div><div>Chad Laibly actually I married an amazing woman, a librarian who doesn't feel the need to do podcasts in her underwear or cuss people out for calling her on it! If she's not an 'expert' on ufology, she should stick to her field. And as far as what have I done in the field-I'm a contact experiencer & put my story out on Youtube for free-and not in my underwear, lol and I've been a guests on 3 radio shows & spoken at 2 Mufon meetings-all as an experiencer & NOT an 'expert', lol</div><div>Reply1 hEdited</div><div>Dan Chaney</div><div>William Pullin I wouldn't be thanking him, he's just another troll in the 'hoping to get attention' club</div><div>Reply1 h</div><div>Dan Chaney</div><div>William Pullin very welcome</div><div>Reply1 h</div><div>Steve Bounds</div><div>Dan if you are calling it like it is, she has never taken videos of herself reading in her underwear and posted them to her FB. I can understand how you may want to see her in her underwear, she is easy on the eyes. She has though posted a video while wearing a bikini top and pants. The video ironically was a satirical piece in regards to woman’s reproductive rights and the misogyny in the legal system and how hypocritical men get all offended when they see flesh of an attractive woman in public, yet these same men are perverts in private.</div><div>What anyone posts on their private FB page isn’t anyone else’s concern and since you seem to know what type of underwear she wears that means you are either making up lies or you are a peeping Tom and stalked her. Both are unacceptable for someone that talks about dignity and respectability.</div><div>NK has never reported to be an expert at anything and yet she has been interviewed and talked with some of the most famous and respected people in the field.</div><div>For her not being an expert she happens to know more about ufology and the paranormal than many “experts” in the field.</div><div>If you had ever gotten to know NK before attacking her for her looks you would see an intelligent woman who literally has helped hundreds of people. It’s people that make accusations and rude comments out of the no where that keep people away from the ufo community. They are afraid that if they don’t fall lockstep with the community they will be attacked and shunned, you have proven this point. NK talks to those people that have been abused by the UFO community, those who literally want to commit suicide because of the stress they are under, she has helped talk many people off the ledge. But you ignore all that.</div><div>I would much rather see honest people living their lives and letting others do their thing and not get all huffy when they are ignored.</div><div>You very well could have just ignored NK but you chose to attack her all because she has boobs and you don’t like it. Don’t look at women with boobs and automatically assume they are sluts and selling themselves, that’s truly horrific that you jump to that conclusion.</div><div>I hope if you are ever in a situation where you have been abused, neglected and feel your life is ready to end, that someone with compassion like NK will be there, but I also hope that never happens to you because it truly is an awful place to be.</div><div>Her work is with and for people, people that have been through extreme trauma. She cares for them and is not judgmental at all, she will fiercely defend herself and others when attacked though.</div></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>DIGNITY, RESPECTABILITY AND TASTE... Remember that.</div><div><br /></div><div>So obviously the first thing I did was go through all of her videos and her photos. NOT ONE of them is she even nearly naked. </div><div><br /></div><div>There is a photo of her in a swimsuit but you can only see her top half, not even her midrif. There is a photo of her legs... Woooo.... My god, calm down fellas. Its not the 1800's, we can show a bit of ankle now. Makes me wonder why you get so emotional over her body. <br /><br /><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><iframe allowfullscreen='allowfullscreen' webkitallowfullscreen='webkitallowfullscreen' mozallowfullscreen='mozallowfullscreen' width='320' height='266' src='https://www.blogger.com/video.g?token=AD6v5dxUvj4v2qoY_Ww0ptAu4pvwu1Z3d_uWAYzmQV2rwZvVnxvK_sKgWIbClJLohsQme4CjS6CqvC1OBfufbFEcGw' class='b-hbp-video b-uploaded' frameborder='0'></iframe></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>As you can see there are zero videos of her reading, even remotely naked. What can this mean? </div><div><br /></div><div>It means that Dan and William have sexualised NK, to the point of her being almost naked in their minds, as they think about her videos. THEY THINK they have seen her almost naked but in fact, they have undressed her mentally. She is FULLY CLOTHED in ALL her videos and photos. </div><div><br /></div><div>Then we have to consider the entitlement of them even saying these things. Telling the world, discussing it publicly, on her friends page, on a post advertising a recording with her and others. They think their preferences are important enough to be aired publicly. They think they have public support on this. Quack Quack Oops!</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://www.facebook.com/100074263879441/posts/159244066561055/" target="_blank">The Post, Peter Robbins FB Page</a><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><div>"Belated thanks to my Texas UFO panel for their participation our discussion of the recent Edinburg UFO Festival and Conference and all things Texas UFO on this past Monday's episode of "Meanwhile, Here On Earth":</div><div><br /></div><div>May 2 - Noe Torres is a recognized expert in the field of UFOs and the paranormal, Noe Torres is an author, publisher, and former Texas state section director for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) who holds a Bachelor’s in English and a Master’s in Library Science from the University of Texas at Austin.</div><div>Since 2012 Jane Kyle (aka "UFOJane") has documented over a thousand UFO sightings in her home state of Texas -- and counting! Jane has been featured in local and international media, and has a journalism degree from the University of Texas at Austin.</div><div><br /></div><div>NK Kranda went to school for horticulture sciences and graduated with highest honors. She has also studied psychology, trauma therapies, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, art, biology, physics, history and shamanism. She currently works in experiencer research and preservation and teaches those who have been traumatized to fight the stigma, to never stop telling their story, and to honor themselves for having survived.</div><div><br /></div><div>Daniel Alan Jones is an investigative journalist and an amateur anthropologist as well as a history, nature, and wildlife enthusiast. He is the host and producer for The Vortex, a show that explores the mysteries of the world and beyond and has researched unexplained phenomena for over a decade. He is</div><div>also a musician and teaches drums around the Dallas-Fort Worth area".</div></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhvf_013S3Lfl4RPv6P7hvQe8TQYEKcR0QMw60m8u_c3wGVyl7D8tXemzpVVDDzuTC_4s4bAtq36I-3ZtX3xKMLHSYAj3i8OSljexaLNNJ4msTD6xsi4oLezSyT_3ffVk3cfFmCi8gf6LAgbXMpGWcpaT6QvL3kaMylGF31zrhKa2gREIef3uMWRfKn/s1018/nk.PNG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="704" data-original-width="1018" height="442" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhvf_013S3Lfl4RPv6P7hvQe8TQYEKcR0QMw60m8u_c3wGVyl7D8tXemzpVVDDzuTC_4s4bAtq36I-3ZtX3xKMLHSYAj3i8OSljexaLNNJ4msTD6xsi4oLezSyT_3ffVk3cfFmCi8gf6LAgbXMpGWcpaT6QvL3kaMylGF31zrhKa2gREIef3uMWRfKn/w640-h442/nk.PNG" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>They think they are entitled to discuss a womans body, behaviour and activities, like they have some right over her autonomy, or at least they wish they did. The only thing that ever kept us from being our authentic selves, was the man made law. The law of men making women property, controllable, controlled, opressed, repressed. OWNED.</div><div><br /></div><div>Well unfortunately for Mr Misogyny(s) we have our autonomy now. We are no longer groomed to be wives, mothers, property. We are no longer required to have men in our lives to have bank accounts, mortgages, hire purchase etc. No... men have to be likeable these days, to be desirable. You have to get into our minds first, not our pants. </div><div><br />So now we can be our authentic selves, they don't like it do they? Also... anyone else out there who can't cope with women being free, including you women, especially the woman who actually liked Dan's comments. You are letting the side down big time. Shame on you. Women should be bringing women up, not tearing them down. </div><div><br /></div><div>Her page is her personal page, it is private, she is not a persona, a public figure maybe but not in the way she conducts herself, otherwise she would have a professional page, not a private, personal page. <br /><br />So lets get back to what was being said and take a look at the people saying it....</div><div><br /></div><div>William <i>is</i> a persona, his page is alllll ufo stuff and a bit about him being a tennis coach. I ditched him years ago, all his "using the scientific method" word salad, while posing the most bland questions you can imagine. Scientific method my third digit William. </div><div><br /></div><div>So swiftly onto Dan, the instigator in all this..... He is quite the hypocrite. Let me remind you...</div><div><br /></div><div><div>Dan Chaney:</div><div><br /></div><div>"William Pullin very welcome-if you want to be taken seriously in the field of ufology-have some dignity, respectability, taste & bring SOMETHING other than your scantilly clad body to the narrative"!</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Let us have a look at what Dan brings to the narrative, seeing as he is sooooo disgusted by NK and her body. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjwNlTGOPRe88ipsRqh_fh0gIuWcQ1ttBfs4X1_N9yg-MikQuJ8GDjSUEcVwQjVeZZE4qkbpV6-KtkSuEzn1Nz5vjJZsXoBq2Er5eQmFRSGzMSeFMz9g5wc0R7LuHh12H8VaBeTxzgLMGPSlB9Z-8FZCGXqugfVabvosd-FAIFmz5zhv-7YE0bEgbvk/s1456/Dan%20Chaney%20love.PNG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1083" data-original-width="1456" height="298" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjwNlTGOPRe88ipsRqh_fh0gIuWcQ1ttBfs4X1_N9yg-MikQuJ8GDjSUEcVwQjVeZZE4qkbpV6-KtkSuEzn1Nz5vjJZsXoBq2Er5eQmFRSGzMSeFMz9g5wc0R7LuHh12H8VaBeTxzgLMGPSlB9Z-8FZCGXqugfVabvosd-FAIFmz5zhv-7YE0bEgbvk/w400-h298/Dan%20Chaney%20love.PNG" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div>Seems like a nice chap eh? "Only Love can be divided endlessly and still not diminished". Yeah he needs to work on that.</div><div><br /></div><div>He gives the impression of being a "Your body your choice" kinda guy....</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhTc7Bbc2GyGdWjX0tiIj4A8A3j6jXz1QKBaeQvnW7erlogxkfep0N8jUzIYz9jgxooHmoS1wtSa-Xa0dyLGZ9M7-Vf_K-pME74WEkB_ZIRFITkqnoyLQFk13qM4YnCBJUZ6wTfVEAFLT89A5zzLI08L5dq3NWKH41NOdKjuHoxYQrbeMEFVqAP39c-/s1151/dan%20chaney%20hypocrite%202.PNG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1151" data-original-width="852" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhTc7Bbc2GyGdWjX0tiIj4A8A3j6jXz1QKBaeQvnW7erlogxkfep0N8jUzIYz9jgxooHmoS1wtSa-Xa0dyLGZ9M7-Vf_K-pME74WEkB_ZIRFITkqnoyLQFk13qM4YnCBJUZ6wTfVEAFLT89A5zzLI08L5dq3NWKH41NOdKjuHoxYQrbeMEFVqAP39c-/w474-h640/dan%20chaney%20hypocrite%202.PNG" width="474" /></a></div><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhapZYj1oaaReTkPK_E8yJecyb82s5uJtW73zDeq8nA3_AIDiY1gQGtmhy8k7eiwmd7i1KPYe0GBcyj5Bb6ST8Fe-B06VS8WHiM4-uwrWbbs_GrEXaa-2i2ePEgxm5v4erzH1CirDa_33rrl6uZrys7NAg6I63NriORjS7mnXnSHH4eMPqKm8kB6Bra/s887/dan%20chaney%20your%20body%20your%20choice.PNG" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="887" data-original-width="774" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhapZYj1oaaReTkPK_E8yJecyb82s5uJtW73zDeq8nA3_AIDiY1gQGtmhy8k7eiwmd7i1KPYe0GBcyj5Bb6ST8Fe-B06VS8WHiM4-uwrWbbs_GrEXaa-2i2ePEgxm5v4erzH1CirDa_33rrl6uZrys7NAg6I63NriORjS7mnXnSHH4eMPqKm8kB6Bra/w558-h640/dan%20chaney%20your%20body%20your%20choice.PNG" width="558" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><br /></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div>He said </div><div><div>Dan Chaney</div><div><br /></div><div>"William Pullin very welcome-if you want to be taken seriously in the field of ufology-have some dignity, respectability, taste & bring SOMETHING other than your scantilly clad body to the narrative"!</div></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><u>Dignity, Respectability and Taste</u></div><div><u><br /></u></div><div>These are some of Dan's public posts....... </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg36t-y4G2fYKVdNszd3WKbo9nV3UR0F6mYOTrk3MVA7Y-HgL7eqyynAhNqjkLr5JBQiWFqzfR8CX_k60VLFCQjHgMdeMvtIKLKPMdG4R75K7UNlDGeTzXx4N37yhExdymSQgIVngj2ptMBwPT7Z6vNC1rjRgMEoFD7gmjDmG3VV4DT8GlFP3movoel/s1061/dan%20chaney%20butt%20plug.PNG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1061" data-original-width="769" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg36t-y4G2fYKVdNszd3WKbo9nV3UR0F6mYOTrk3MVA7Y-HgL7eqyynAhNqjkLr5JBQiWFqzfR8CX_k60VLFCQjHgMdeMvtIKLKPMdG4R75K7UNlDGeTzXx4N37yhExdymSQgIVngj2ptMBwPT7Z6vNC1rjRgMEoFD7gmjDmG3VV4DT8GlFP3movoel/w464-h640/dan%20chaney%20butt%20plug.PNG" width="464" /></a></div><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjXLISclXM1RirYZgLDQv2Pk2YSp1GuM9bo-tmsF3QIJAJE_feOEKRnI2G1h5Kh5TRZxZVoGC6-xZcM9n4xTPH-0eyOmvWOegs-yXYIfkDQpWX8Ge1OWL0xuUoHVKBswyiJauTm3KaNYxKEznFbDG-wrSVU1s2OjIJjLa_F7D2om20Gv9ydEMc49OyY/s1121/dan%20chaney%20dildo.PNG" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1121" data-original-width="737" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjXLISclXM1RirYZgLDQv2Pk2YSp1GuM9bo-tmsF3QIJAJE_feOEKRnI2G1h5Kh5TRZxZVoGC6-xZcM9n4xTPH-0eyOmvWOegs-yXYIfkDQpWX8Ge1OWL0xuUoHVKBswyiJauTm3KaNYxKEznFbDG-wrSVU1s2OjIJjLa_F7D2om20Gv9ydEMc49OyY/w420-h640/dan%20chaney%20dildo.PNG" width="420" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">He likes this so much he has shared it twice</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjsrzpOFzThAUcoNsqlF3CXwQ7bnWZfsXY8f8S-bfkR_eXNxEWBjA829LhVTRnHPvVX8Up0IPIItzghjDiJETWJkpIfLm_9wmXSP4i9Yxb8SGDVSPRoIudYT7B7Q6cM_EZIzWf8wGvz7Lw2DBEribHX2E9snThMBDhgHGXc4d90IBFjdqEbXv44_kJi/s893/dan%20chaney%20rude%202.PNG" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="893" data-original-width="756" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjsrzpOFzThAUcoNsqlF3CXwQ7bnWZfsXY8f8S-bfkR_eXNxEWBjA829LhVTRnHPvVX8Up0IPIItzghjDiJETWJkpIfLm_9wmXSP4i9Yxb8SGDVSPRoIudYT7B7Q6cM_EZIzWf8wGvz7Lw2DBEribHX2E9snThMBDhgHGXc4d90IBFjdqEbXv44_kJi/w542-h640/dan%20chaney%20rude%202.PNG" width="542" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Nice, children and sex. </td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjwl8wlUuFgNpPI-kvu785L9JrGN0iQ5yoeZos0QpIAbx0ifQYbuycvebAYQNXDaj9VIqW4DVg9w1zqfGXmUGIPksQ4XgSYbJlwSRz33EiLTqORPeRT2W-3BJNzXyrDBqKDsuRM2pVy6sBe4kZrIC-Go5A27SbgkBwPdG03qSKuBo2_hIXR_6Xdmq9V/s1005/dan%20chaney%20rude.PNG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1005" data-original-width="751" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjwl8wlUuFgNpPI-kvu785L9JrGN0iQ5yoeZos0QpIAbx0ifQYbuycvebAYQNXDaj9VIqW4DVg9w1zqfGXmUGIPksQ4XgSYbJlwSRz33EiLTqORPeRT2W-3BJNzXyrDBqKDsuRM2pVy6sBe4kZrIC-Go5A27SbgkBwPdG03qSKuBo2_hIXR_6Xdmq9V/w478-h640/dan%20chaney%20rude.PNG" width="478" /></a></div><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyuNYeNrl-ZVWHKOvNpfbUOPc6hz1T-yglUyJk1qPKGaLSmpXTjYUVMAByNfoUJIXkspIxzeSj2wNHKtCxb2CCtd0R3hFVT_yB0l-3xri2GjbrthYAyxvixH42V3hoFgjQDmbxjD-G7eKrW4KrDYvZ7bU0_t4jRiLsHf_ZIvygqEDV9dUid977Yum4/s995/dan%20chany%20dd.PNG" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="995" data-original-width="756" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyuNYeNrl-ZVWHKOvNpfbUOPc6hz1T-yglUyJk1qPKGaLSmpXTjYUVMAByNfoUJIXkspIxzeSj2wNHKtCxb2CCtd0R3hFVT_yB0l-3xri2GjbrthYAyxvixH42V3hoFgjQDmbxjD-G7eKrW4KrDYvZ7bU0_t4jRiLsHf_ZIvygqEDV9dUid977Yum4/w486-h640/dan%20chany%20dd.PNG" width="486" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Children and sex again</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>So Dan can be as rude as he likes but if a woman shows a bit of flesh, a leg, maybe she has a bit of cleavage, and he thinks she needs to cover up. He finds it offensive!!! He finds NKs gorgeous body offensive. He thinks he has seen her nearly naked but he imagined that. They both think they have seen most of her body, they have not..... Only in their minds. </div><div><br /></div><div>She does not need to change the way she behaves, they need to change the way they perceive women, they need to change the way they think. If we want to get up on stage in a metal bikini with an angle grinder, showering sparks all over the audience, while delivering a fantastic oration of flesh and blood experience, we will. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><iframe allowfullscreen='allowfullscreen' webkitallowfullscreen='webkitallowfullscreen' mozallowfullscreen='mozallowfullscreen' width='320' height='266' src='https://www.blogger.com/video.g?token=AD6v5dweHFjKBZdlI5ardWIuo94yU1iqWnMcO5Gxc6Q6lleP4mCojYn2YmUVLwz1e7JiV-RhvG20O00PXL1iJ5F_8w' class='b-hbp-video b-uploaded' frameborder='0'></iframe></div><br /><div><br /></div><div>We do not care about their ideas on how we ought to conduct ourselves. They are fossils from an era that should never have existed in the first place. </div><div><br /></div><div>They hanker for an era of legalised oppression and also would like forced professionalism on women in ufology, even though we are recounting our experiences, talking about our lives, or the lives of others, of our friends, our fellow experiencers. </div><div><br /></div><div>Let me point out </div><div><br /></div><div>THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCER. </div><div><br /></div><div>NK.........</div><div><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgytUZQIumAItmBNcnoV47EXJlPJUkixNpK8HUGmno-g_S2yL3BZhy6s-6viYpiGa62ZaZr8BdoIcS4HXgG1E85nKF9vjpngR7ctMHTv6upY1QCSo5tsG2EHovik6d66fZexpLIxFyk_l_OZcbczwao8LQUhU-JpHUfbYvH5ORykOeJlBh9vrmTEc24/s858/dan%20chaney%20wanker.PNG" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="858" data-original-width="761" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgytUZQIumAItmBNcnoV47EXJlPJUkixNpK8HUGmno-g_S2yL3BZhy6s-6viYpiGa62ZaZr8BdoIcS4HXgG1E85nKF9vjpngR7ctMHTv6upY1QCSo5tsG2EHovik6d66fZexpLIxFyk_l_OZcbczwao8LQUhU-JpHUfbYvH5ORykOeJlBh9vrmTEc24/w568-h640/dan%20chaney%20wanker.PNG" width="568" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Hypocrite</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div><br /></div><div>Don't you dare let the opinions of middle aged hypocrites and dullards, ever sit in your heart or mind for even a second NK. You are everything they cannot have and cannot be. They couldn't even keep up if they tried and they know it. Smashing down beauty as they do, sad little men.</div><div><br /></div><div>Ufology takes all the beautiful things and squashes everything together, like playdough, until it is all mulched and brown. It makes every exciting moment duller than ditchwater, they suffocate witnesses, they pontificate nothings, endlessly repeating ancient cases. So many experts of other peoples memories, other peoples events, other peoples lives, even if they have genuinely had experiences, it does not elevate them to be above anyone and it gives them ZERO rights on dictating how the scene should be or how anyone should conduct themselves. ESPECIALLY when their behaviour is atrocious.</div><div><br /></div><div>Calling out a woman for being nearly naked when she was not at all, while posting pictures of dildos, butt plugs and other sexual references, paints a very clear picture to me. </div><div><br /></div><div>Nothing will ever change while you all sit back and allow this crap to happen over and over. Stop complaining about how bad it all is when you stand for nothing apart from your own careers, your image. Because you know how savage Ufology is, you stay quiet and do nothing, you don't want it to be you next, you are scared of it yourselves. Ufology is a rancid bully, do something about it. Say something. Stand for something that doesn't benefit you directly. </div><div><br /></div><div>Be the change. It is 2022 not 1822.</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Edit: </div><div><br /></div><div>I asked Dan Chaney to point our where NK was almost naked and in her underwear, which is the lie he keeps telling. He blocked me. That was the reaction I totally expected, he can talk about women but not to them. </div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><u>THEY are disgusting we're not!!!</u></div><div><br /></div><div>Edit 2: </div><div>22.05.22</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhtLyb5QVNAhFJFlNAOQ_SRqJcbhp9gpCpbK68XXqXJibJ0ojJd0ClT0uDKmCW3TY8APRfP3-ij67VjHz1kiQawsiDf87PjLwklPNca72fLRIc259PFXe4C7ksMrDVBRlDeBMAggvPCmiLd-C9sNcI-LXEmqakWEyTpyaKzlr9LXtXx5ph1hILrxYBo/s1264/william%20disgusting.PNG" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1059" data-original-width="1264" height="335" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhtLyb5QVNAhFJFlNAOQ_SRqJcbhp9gpCpbK68XXqXJibJ0ojJd0ClT0uDKmCW3TY8APRfP3-ij67VjHz1kiQawsiDf87PjLwklPNca72fLRIc259PFXe4C7ksMrDVBRlDeBMAggvPCmiLd-C9sNcI-LXEmqakWEyTpyaKzlr9LXtXx5ph1hILrxYBo/w400-h335/william%20disgusting.PNG" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">A very disturbing way to think about friendships between members of the oppsite sex. </td></tr></tbody></table><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div>William Pullin who was previously reserved with his comments but was in total agreement about his disdain for NK, who they say reads books almost naked, she doesn't as you have seen.... Totally sexualising her to the point of her being almost naked in their minds. Now William has sexualised the relationships she has with the men in ufology. Namely Peter Robbins and Earl Grey from what I can see from their conversations. <br /><br />William cannot fathom that NK is well liked and appreciated. Not only has she had to endure the most insidious events in her life, she has endured them without a father figure. Not that this is anyones business and maybe I should keep that to myself but I think it is important here. <br /><br />We have paid attention to NK. We know her and her life, we see her ethos, her ideals, her struggles, her everything, the amazing and selfless acts she has pulled in her personal life (again I wish I could list these amazing things but it is her private life and not for me to say, if you know her, you know already). </div><div><br /></div><div>She is not a Ufologist, so I do not know why these men are expecting "professional Ufology" from her. She is an experiencer and she helps other experiencers. That is her whole thing. We see her, we see what she does, we know what she wants to do, we want to help her do that, because it helps the scene, she helps the victims of phenomena. </div><div><br /></div><div>Pontificating about old cases while asking banal questions endlessly, adds nothing to the pot. Thats the problem with researchers though isn't it? They have to take it all, before they can give anything back and their interests are entirely self servative but in their pomposity, they think they are doing us a favour. They are nothing without witnesses, they have nothing without witnesses. </div><div><br /></div><div>So what is the deal with me then? If Earl and Peter and the rest, are just dirty old men being manipulated by a young woman.... What am I? Is he sexualising my friendship with her too? He thinks telling a beautiful young woman that she is beautiful is perverted. He thinks that older men such as Earl and Peter are lusting after her, that this whole thing is something seedy and disturbing and sexually motivated. We are her extended family. We see her as family. </div><div><br /></div><div>What is seedy and disturbing, is the fact that is all that William can see is something sexual. He cannot imagine that they are fatherly figures, supporting her, encouraging her to be her authentic self, supporting her efforts, being her cheerleaders. No, William sexualises everything when it comes to women. He cannot see a platonic friendship for what it is. I would be very carerful around someone like that.</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><u>Perverts</u> </div><div><br /></div><div>So he thinks Earl and Peter and other men supporting NK is embarrassing and disgusting but all this is ok... </div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><div>Dan: NK Miranda also likes to make videos of herself reading from books in her underwear to draw your attention & when you call her out on it like I did & others did-you get cussed out & blocked by her. You won't see prominent women in ufology doing that. Go ahead & cuss me out, rake me over the coals,etc.-Just beacause someones beautiful & in a bra & gstring doesn't add to the narrative of serious ufology-I'm calling it like it is.</div><div><br /></div><div>SHE IS FULLY CLOTHED IN ALL VIDEOS</div><div><br /></div><div><div>Dan: very welcome-if you want to be taken seriously in the field of ufology-have some dignity, respectability, taste & bring SOMETHING other than your scantilly clad body to the narrative!</div></div><div><br /></div><div>DANS FACEBOOK PAGE IS FULL OF SEXUAL CONTENT, INCLUDING A MEME OF CHILDREN TALKING ABOUT SPERM AND A BABY IN A MEME OF A SEXUAL NATURE. BUTT PLUGS, VIBRATORS, SEXUAL INNUENDO. </div><div><br /></div><div>All fine according to the men in question. The men who sexualise NK and her friendships with other men. </div><div><br /></div><div>Dan: I married an amazing woman, a librarian who doesn't feel the need to do podcasts in her underwear or cuss people out for calling her on it. </div><div><br /></div><div>SHE DOES NOT DO PODCASTS IN HER UNDERWEAR. SHE NEVER HAS, THIS IS A LIE HE KEEPS REPEATING TO JUSTIFY HIS ATTITUDE TOWARDS HER AND HIS VILE MISOGYNISTIC RHETORIC. </div><div><br /></div><div>Judging by his page, if she did, he would be an avid viewer. </div><div><br /></div><div>Dan: She should stick to her field.</div><div><br /></div><div>SHE DOES. </div><div><br /></div><div><u>Dear Manbabies</u></div><div><br /></div><div>You both need to stick to your own business, her business is her business and you have zero moral high ground after the things you have said and supported. YOU are disgusting and embarrassing William. YOU are the one sexualising everything. You give men a bad name. YOU are the INCEL. YOU are the Misogynist. YOU are the problem here as is Dan. </div><div><br /></div><div>You act as if NK is in some deliberately devious, sexually themed, orchestrated relationships with other people, because you cannot imagine the truth. You are saying she is some sort of vamp, tempting stupid men into her web of drama and deciet in a sexual way. <br /><br />All she is doing is stuff she loves, helping people, reading books, nothing sexual. Unless of course you think I am lusting after her too? I bet you do don't you? We all just want sexy time with NK but the thought of that makes you feel disgusted. Worrying. </div><div><br /></div><div>Why would you infantalise a woman in her 30s? She isn't a child, "young woman"... nah she is almost a middle aged woman in fact and is far away from being a child as you intimate and why would the thought of intimacy with her make you feel disgusted....?? Oh yeah GROWN MEN AND A YOUNG WOMAN. That dear Billy Boy, is in your head only. All that totally was imagined by you. YOUR imagination, YOUR perversion, YOUR hang ups. YOU. It came from YOU. YOU are disgusting and embarrassing. Her reading in her underwear was imagined by the pair of you. You both literally imagine her naked and behaving in a sexual manner. I have watched her videos she does no such thing, the fact you think she does is very disturbing. The fact that it bothers you so much is even more disturbing. </div><div><br /></div><div><u>Only Fools and Perverts</u></div><div><br /></div><div>What these fools do not even realise is this... You say things about one woman, you are saying it about all women. If we aren't librarian like, then we are whores and anyone who likes us, is a pervert. Well only a pervert would think that. So let it be known, if you support NK and you are an older man, he thinks you are a fool and a pervert. He thinks women should be seen and not heard and when they are, they should be professional at all times. It is amazing how many regressive people there are, in such a progressive field. </div><div><br /></div><div>Do not, I repeat DO NOT wear a top that shows ANY cleavage, do not have your legs uncovered, do not be yourself, be a persona, do not act like a woman, act like a genderless robot, otherwise it makes men like this have sexual thoughts. </div><div><br /></div><div>Do not, I repeat, DO NOT post holiday photos of yourself in anything other a sackloth and ashes. Change your behaviour, because they can't have decent thoughts, change your behaviour, because these men cannot handle their emotions, do not swear, they find it so offensive. </div><div><br /></div><div>And they say women are emotional? Perhaps we should all wear Hijabs? </div><div><br /></div><div>This is from men who think they are so calm and collected and emotionally together, yes, thats why they can dictate, savage and publicly humiliate a woman, for being a woman and the men who support her are deviants but the men who hate women and post endless dildos and sexual references involving children on their pages, are fine. Thats all fine. </div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><u>All the UFO ladies</u></div><div><br /></div><div>Women, now you know the score, tell all your friends, these people are dangerous to your mental health, self esteem and emotional well being. They want to be seen as professionals (laughable) and want to be famous. They deserve neither, they need relegating to the same bigot bin as racists and transphobics. AVOID. </div><div><br /></div><div>Their behaviour is for other men.... To impress other men, men they think have the same toxic patterns as they do. They dance this way, for other men. Question them, call them out and YOU are a deviant, because you believe in equality and have no beef with someone of the opposite sex or any other gender, you are embarrassing. Weird that. Kids, sex, dildos, butt plugs, behaving like a douche, all not embarrassing. </div><div><br /></div><div>I received a message from a woman saying this:</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQ0n4mbdwkBrB26kFhjgGUNiNFO1z8zHYMEhzyHk9LizR3YbFR1Mza0xMnPQpSrNy2VlmyNCeLfMFvuXUd5fSRV5AP47jrtM838LE_v2VM69fcCLfFAC1meWIKqidyqzofMNpGyVpNd37wqV4wn5MAklXFkU-8HIKYu0yLJ6j34pR-rTBoEUYz61vQ/s1094/william%20message.PNG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1094" data-original-width="397" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQ0n4mbdwkBrB26kFhjgGUNiNFO1z8zHYMEhzyHk9LizR3YbFR1Mza0xMnPQpSrNy2VlmyNCeLfMFvuXUd5fSRV5AP47jrtM838LE_v2VM69fcCLfFAC1meWIKqidyqzofMNpGyVpNd37wqV4wn5MAklXFkU-8HIKYu0yLJ6j34pR-rTBoEUYz61vQ/s16000/william%20message.PNG" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">William, whos never had an experience, invalidating someone who has. </div></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div>Just to let you know when it is appropriate to comment on a womans body..... That is never. <div><br /><div>Especially when you are a sad, boring, overweight sad act, who looks like super mario in a snap cap who still lives with his mummy. <div><br /></div><div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiojA5uLRLVcjdkFVQaoHiA4hW80pu3XMBK5R3FWoqal1uxK4NnqRlShmYrBDQ8HfYkzIdh_4m8NCTQxn65i5lB4ViuLdOQSH62QlDLojxfFXwPAaKS-f-txHu7w_n0eovETNNbE-G782PaZYArESbyWA8kQciMf1ysJ-9kO3HOGTvo6LptKFeJLu5t/s387/middle%20finger.PNG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="378" data-original-width="387" height="391" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiojA5uLRLVcjdkFVQaoHiA4hW80pu3XMBK5R3FWoqal1uxK4NnqRlShmYrBDQ8HfYkzIdh_4m8NCTQxn65i5lB4ViuLdOQSH62QlDLojxfFXwPAaKS-f-txHu7w_n0eovETNNbE-G782PaZYArESbyWA8kQciMf1ysJ-9kO3HOGTvo6LptKFeJLu5t/w400-h391/middle%20finger.PNG" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: left;">"Dance then, wherever you may be, for I am the Lord of the Douche said he".</span></div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEinZsNbAaHtn7u_Rj33g1q_vK3IxbZh7IQnkU--_bL6Zsqc3aznsdDyAHtHLEZzUg2KS-UDYWk0-4_AKAPa82h2nkWD0Ys1L-Ftl5gR2Ku8irFJhKBDJUHl8qHxZ26rv_jOJie0cPBnDjrp3zVNrMo1Jm7IgYh9pXRCXPELV6dJfDWs6HTSQt94jnAV/s1080/FB_IMG_1653461687399.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1080" data-original-width="1080" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEinZsNbAaHtn7u_Rj33g1q_vK3IxbZh7IQnkU--_bL6Zsqc3aznsdDyAHtHLEZzUg2KS-UDYWk0-4_AKAPa82h2nkWD0Ys1L-Ftl5gR2Ku8irFJhKBDJUHl8qHxZ26rv_jOJie0cPBnDjrp3zVNrMo1Jm7IgYh9pXRCXPELV6dJfDWs6HTSQt94jnAV/w400-h400/FB_IMG_1653461687399.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div></div></div></div>Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-81285930012013167002022-05-12T15:11:00.043+01:002022-05-12T17:18:21.689+01:00Inspector Clueless comes to the Outer Limits Conference 2022<p> </p><p><br /></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiK5NTdLBRQAvc0O6JEyeJFLCN3Zodw0tZzK3qHTBXKZSTYF_TCzWA84XAs0ovqfAgQDalk1BR-igdmarnYuANFRGnDjErSrnf3T5dFGW4pgwkicx7tgrLXVimplzNO6QKaDcP1fQWspVbIHdi2QoZ3fvMCmiJ6xkSY0vIRPaX7wEmp3GYP3L-uzQn2Jg/s1530/20220512095038.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1530" data-original-width="1079" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiK5NTdLBRQAvc0O6JEyeJFLCN3Zodw0tZzK3qHTBXKZSTYF_TCzWA84XAs0ovqfAgQDalk1BR-igdmarnYuANFRGnDjErSrnf3T5dFGW4pgwkicx7tgrLXVimplzNO6QKaDcP1fQWspVbIHdi2QoZ3fvMCmiJ6xkSY0vIRPaX7wEmp3GYP3L-uzQn2Jg/w283-h400/20220512095038.jpg" width="283" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Inspector Clueless Investigates<br /><br /></td></tr></tbody></table>I have just attended the 4th Outer Limits Conference in Hull, UK. It was great. So good to see all my friends, they are like a family to me. I had such a good time, all the unusual supects were there as usual but there was one mystery man...... Well not really. He thought he was but he stood out like a giant naked mole rat, on a slag heap.<br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="text-align: left;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg54REuK4I2xY-0jjCP7ciYpR513X9Wbpt2I4NPF0YL90bHZoPW0KmGXVa4RRRnErIZMkWe3-ZX8HocK3C9LR8n9s15EBGNJp8iEEH3wSZv3fT4a6p0XLwLKYDsIFYg5JQ1y6a2DBHseIUh7GyvmDx8ZlP_e_VEhZCbIjcy53t7PCWobL0NWC-sJeB3EQ/s1079/20220512110301.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="719" data-original-width="1079" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg54REuK4I2xY-0jjCP7ciYpR513X9Wbpt2I4NPF0YL90bHZoPW0KmGXVa4RRRnErIZMkWe3-ZX8HocK3C9LR8n9s15EBGNJp8iEEH3wSZv3fT4a6p0XLwLKYDsIFYg5JQ1y6a2DBHseIUh7GyvmDx8ZlP_e_VEhZCbIjcy53t7PCWobL0NWC-sJeB3EQ/s320/20220512110301.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Actual Photo of Ben at the OLM Conference</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><p>Everyone was watching him, a lot were photographing him, some knew immediately but most of us had him pegged to be one of two people, both of them are disturbing individuals of the highest disorder. My partner Dave knew who it was within literally half a second! </p><p>It seems Ben is still in desperate need of a life and attention so he thought it was a good idea to throw a rock at the 'hornets nest'. In reality, we are just a bunch of people having a nice time together. The only 'hornet' there was Ben and ironically, all he did was stick the boot into his own grubby little 'nest'. (You might have to double click videos, you can enlarge them too)</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><iframe allowfullscreen='allowfullscreen' webkitallowfullscreen='webkitallowfullscreen' mozallowfullscreen='mozallowfullscreen' width='320' height='266' src='https://www.blogger.com/video.g?token=AD6v5dxTcFNMTs_vIPuBgMICoWOpOXH7N1nzS1ZOxjtvT-Ye6zqu6BUGbmj887PURgPfZtAtEKaYpQAwHlyPmgOVJA' class='b-hbp-video b-uploaded' frameborder='0'></iframe></div><br /><p>No one can move on from the past because Ben ressurects everything when he has nothing going on in his sad, little life. I was too busy enjoying myself to give a toss about the potential drama unfolding. I stood within inches of him as he and I got coffee. How utterly thrilling that must have been for him, for an entire minute in his 'disguise'. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEggIUEIeXtPfYYEHDjdFaj8mGeduOBy8Mhi7paCY0ZXUTXHdgwF51JClIL6qB1GlFrcMum-yfmizpIIOKV9-0JIU1QbAIDeQeGe980OPoUdrmvFA3IkwzIG0ztUwKf533lJslPe-VwNG5FIyqnz_LFPHSc4hCpiybfpehhX3DD5qkj9XNe1S5NEVwrkKA/s1372/Screenshot_20220512-101706_YouTube.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="812" data-original-width="1372" height="189" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEggIUEIeXtPfYYEHDjdFaj8mGeduOBy8Mhi7paCY0ZXUTXHdgwF51JClIL6qB1GlFrcMum-yfmizpIIOKV9-0JIU1QbAIDeQeGe980OPoUdrmvFA3IkwzIG0ztUwKf533lJslPe-VwNG5FIyqnz_LFPHSc4hCpiybfpehhX3DD5qkj9XNe1S5NEVwrkKA/s320/Screenshot_20220512-101706_YouTube.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br /><p>Its a good job I have a really ironic sense of humour you know. This is hilarious. It is as fantastically hilarious, as Ben thinking he needed to go to a skeptics in the pub meeting some years ago, also IN DISGUISE. </p><p>I guess he doesn't know that you can just go to these events as yourself and that you don't have to be part of a 'clique,' as he called us a million years ago, (thats pretty much how long it has been since the original incidents). Maybe he doesn't know? After all, he is fifteen sandwiches, four full sized cakes (with 16 slices each), 20 chicken legs, 200 sausage rolls, drinks, cups, cutlery and plates for everyone, short of a picnic. He only has the blanket, plus basket and he made that himself. </p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLQ7y2owl79UthD-GqGtNLf17cri3wv4V_26-7YF_KJzm7qQ2_FQ6QH2Tb1RqzhpeXLyI6JXeam2GColjYgBzsXd6fQkUtbyiBkHvFoh7X6x-45elpxC2i8vTZbOcFYi6hvvByu8RqWISMeOl7MaWUekTxQDrC21SYq22Agky14J2POBLpDEw2FXOzVA/s800/picnic-blanket-basket-grass-park-159315014.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="533" data-original-width="800" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLQ7y2owl79UthD-GqGtNLf17cri3wv4V_26-7YF_KJzm7qQ2_FQ6QH2Tb1RqzhpeXLyI6JXeam2GColjYgBzsXd6fQkUtbyiBkHvFoh7X6x-45elpxC2i8vTZbOcFYi6hvvByu8RqWISMeOl7MaWUekTxQDrC21SYq22Agky14J2POBLpDEw2FXOzVA/s320/picnic-blanket-basket-grass-park-159315014.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Pricknic</td></tr></tbody></table><p>In actuality, his behaviour is sinister and disturbing (if I was easily disturbed anymore). People have said things like "serial killer vibes" and they are right. He has lost touch with reality, talking into his camera all the time, viewing life through a view finder. It seems he rarely has actual people around him, he is divorced from reality, and is surrounded by online enablers, one commenting how maturely people handled this. In reality on the maturity scale, in this instance, Ben is a foetus and my current age while writing this, is aproximately 5 years old. I meet and match peoples energy in these situations, clearly. This does not deserve anything but childish derision. </p><p>In reality, he is a stalker. A hanger on. A parasite. He attached himself to my back during the Larry Warren Fraud Investigation and clung on, writing endlessly about me, his evidence really wasn't evidence, it was red crayon on photographs and verbal diarrhoea.</p><p>He said I was obsessed because I talked about him, talking about me. He called me his troll, because I dare challenge him on what he was saying about me and my life. He is my troll. He is Peter Robbins Troll. He is a stalker. HE is obsessed. It is YEARS since Chris asked him not to come. Nobody has even thought about Ben in years!! We had almost forgotten he even existed. </p><p>He is totally irrelevant and always was. What he was talking about the whole time, in those blogs, was about something that happened to me, in my own home and was none of his business, not even in the slightest, not with the most tenuous reach and furthest stretch of anyones fertile imagination. He rode my back like a cheap Blackpool Donkey and fell off eventually, like the overbloated tick he really is, after approximately THIRTY blogs. Greedy boy. </p><p>Here is my evidence;</p><p><a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/09/a-concise-chronology-of-evidences-of.html?m=1" target="_blank">A Concise Chronology of the Larry Warren Fraud Investigation Blog</a><br /></p><p>He didn't need a disguise anyway. The Skeptics in the Pub don't care about what Bell Endlyn Jones might say about them, nor do we care about his existence on this Earth, let alone the location he chooses to exist in for a weekend. Nobody is intimidated, nobody is in the slightest bit interested. We might observe him in a similar way we would observe slugs munching on dog crap but that's it. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg4FvEOX-A_RuQzniArECDDuOWZ3YgSiA-x9EBHDToy9O8BriAhOM-so-qaceGFmjkeW7n0mBX1fzqtlu2JY_taBUe4FodEO8j6lf8ziOmB-NCanUw7Iz_nk0kuRlwVsMN9lste8JaS_g9NWFpo4dH-dZYNn-zNWuOakGKevR-7kYfLoXmD8tho2TPzow/s223/eww-god-no.gif" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="223" data-original-width="220" height="223" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg4FvEOX-A_RuQzniArECDDuOWZ3YgSiA-x9EBHDToy9O8BriAhOM-so-qaceGFmjkeW7n0mBX1fzqtlu2JY_taBUe4FodEO8j6lf8ziOmB-NCanUw7Iz_nk0kuRlwVsMN9lste8JaS_g9NWFpo4dH-dZYNn-zNWuOakGKevR-7kYfLoXmD8tho2TPzow/s1600/eww-god-no.gif" width="220" /></a></div><br /><p>Did he wear a wire to the skeptics in the pub (or OLM)? A fake moustache? A wig? A dress?!! Does he not even see how ridiculous that is? It's not even ridiculous, it's insanity gone mental. What on Earth did he hope to achieve? Exposing they don't believe stuff? We know...!! Is that food for amusement? Ridiculing THEM as he sits there in his wonder woman costume. Seriously?? </p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgni9Z-52P70t80PCRYRxsAYZ_i5uC00kJGWnTCRomq_Buuy1V6xqvtabKJB7LD-WNNoTdMDz35edhAlBGvtNjQZDTqaE3dz7TlWUEEh9laXkBIw5oe2gJWrkdhItgWvlbZrUlAhbJGZRouyTjeZxWKOCTFa4pynDW5nt_aYenjA6Gc8zpXAOlLNCE15Q/s788/Benidorm-series-10-1249356.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="788" data-original-width="590" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgni9Z-52P70t80PCRYRxsAYZ_i5uC00kJGWnTCRomq_Buuy1V6xqvtabKJB7LD-WNNoTdMDz35edhAlBGvtNjQZDTqaE3dz7TlWUEEh9laXkBIw5oe2gJWrkdhItgWvlbZrUlAhbJGZRouyTjeZxWKOCTFa4pynDW5nt_aYenjA6Gc8zpXAOlLNCE15Q/s320/Benidorm-series-10-1249356.jpg" width="240" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">BENidorm in the Pub</td></tr></tbody></table><p>Fast forward 5 or 6 years and it is our turn for his private Dick activities. Why? Because he was was ASKED to not attend the FIRST Outer Limits conference FIVE YEARS AGO. We have just had the fourth OLM Conference and that was after 2 years break!! (But I am obsessed according to Inspector Clueless). </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhtF1DmSkIlSUg3mKISpc2TfwXeAUm138whM9VtiVqzRCtvSbhROHc6fXpLQu9pEwTR0JyHmQq7xTmAiFUIKaYhvOqMOVIu2E3RHnzkKFmbrvj1HUHAvKdhh3Wfzp1nk4u0BSPVr7It1jTzL4qcYuWkrkKnhejrvBJ3P1anfDPHDgxKKcQfYPEOt1bPkw/s1034/Screenshot_20220511-105114_Messenger.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1034" data-original-width="687" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhtF1DmSkIlSUg3mKISpc2TfwXeAUm138whM9VtiVqzRCtvSbhROHc6fXpLQu9pEwTR0JyHmQq7xTmAiFUIKaYhvOqMOVIu2E3RHnzkKFmbrvj1HUHAvKdhh3Wfzp1nk4u0BSPVr7It1jTzL4qcYuWkrkKnhejrvBJ3P1anfDPHDgxKKcQfYPEOt1bPkw/s320/Screenshot_20220511-105114_Messenger.jpg" width="213" /></a></div><br /><p>Here is an old blog I wrote about Ben's twisting what was said, into a pathetic little drama that was BENt out of shape completely and hasn't ended yet, obviously, because he turned up at the conference. many years later. Obsessed much? He will gaslight us all, saying we are the trolls for reacting to something so very fucked up and weird, that HE did!!! He does it all the time. It is his pattern, expect it. </p><p><a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/04/benned.html?m=1&fbclid=IwAR1itNCcm_thLDxgxTHBXlBamuGFXpk8cUyJjMpILa2d9aW4dkckKOKco9A" target="_blank">Benned!! Blog</a></p><p>He causes trouble, then goes belly up, playing the victim and then MILKS IT FOREVERRRRR. Furious little fists grabbing at the teats of ufology, hoping one day he can latch on and be accepted by those who would further his ego's needs and feed his never ending greed for attention. He brings nothing of his own to the table, not one experience, not one abduction. NOTHING. His UFO ReESuRCh is *turd emoji* at best. </p><p>He genuinely asked Chris Evers (the conference organiser) to tell me not to approach him or try to talk to him, at the first conference. I told Chris, (who refused to do any such thing) I wouldn't cause a scene but nobody was ever putting me on a leash for that idiot. Writing something like 30 blogs (I lost count and don't care, they are all basic bitch, bilge) trashing me and anyone who stood for the truth and thinks he can swan around in front of me and the others, uncontested! Not while I have breath in my body and I think that is the whole reason he does this. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><iframe allowfullscreen='allowfullscreen' webkitallowfullscreen='webkitallowfullscreen' mozallowfullscreen='mozallowfullscreen' width='320' height='266' src='https://www.blogger.com/video.g?token=AD6v5dz7BC3BzVH8DQK8R_VeaDdzW0GG1530MLtbP_zn5GAmbBp9QIgH2W0aSTx2adWKSuoFOf79NFknZKGDVnbKtQ' class='b-hbp-video b-uploaded' frameborder='0'></iframe></div><br /><p>He talks smack about everyone and doesn't want those same people challenging him on his lies because he is, in the words of my local roadman... A Pussio Fam. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><iframe allowfullscreen='allowfullscreen' webkitallowfullscreen='webkitallowfullscreen' mozallowfullscreen='mozallowfullscreen' width='320' height='266' src='https://www.blogger.com/video.g?token=AD6v5dxxIEuAa94N29XmYsDji0NFxp_D6hwSKzbpL416URxQRNN5DZxgYDr-hxDb9qHKxhn0MLn2w78EyATlg5692A' class='b-hbp-video b-uploaded' frameborder='0'></iframe></div><br /><p><br /></p><p><span></span></p><a name='more'></a><span><!--more--></span>Let's have a closer look at Ben, seeing as he obviously wants the attention, let's see who he really is.<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKiAWVX60vChHe00fK94pgYnSKS03UN19u40wpcXyxQVvuU2y_hw27Lr8MDoMbhFhdZVjPR5pxxETxydFUGPQZoGQSkSgyqkUu0Fc1kN8bKA4eoPyUDKgoAj91xskhIwqf8BQXI_4MgC_n5CoIWdkmROVHy4EZB5hfhXXAP9o-dwgenuIFSMQMRHbpgQ/s305/inspector-clouseau-ad4523e3-291d-4a4f-b811-32c33448f9f-resize-750.jpeg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="305" data-original-width="305" height="305" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKiAWVX60vChHe00fK94pgYnSKS03UN19u40wpcXyxQVvuU2y_hw27Lr8MDoMbhFhdZVjPR5pxxETxydFUGPQZoGQSkSgyqkUu0Fc1kN8bKA4eoPyUDKgoAj91xskhIwqf8BQXI_4MgC_n5CoIWdkmROVHy4EZB5hfhXXAP9o-dwgenuIFSMQMRHbpgQ/s1600/inspector-clouseau-ad4523e3-291d-4a4f-b811-32c33448f9f-resize-750.jpeg" width="305" /></a></div><br /><p>This is another blog I wrote about Ben when he wouldn't stop interfering in my life. The contents are vile, be warned. </p><p><a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2018/10/sickening-anti-semitic-homophobic.html" target="_blank">Sickening Anti Semitic attack on Peter Robbins</a><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Ben runs his own forum.... </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi9zbWGumgW4JT_earOdRHdqejm-0XCu1FdjpdI4Qe4b9v61d6BO4UkV14D__mxeJ1PwcF3HqIZ2i8siUrZqmYxQ9zH0WwfeaA-CTq_ffe4_XiIVC9HI3Mcf40vXCevIViwlMCy3weL9IwcyY5G6kIqWFZKwGFAZnRf8qEJxI4yudektNDcKzTerjwIOw/s640/Screenshot_20181023-111424.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="640" data-original-width="360" height="490" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi9zbWGumgW4JT_earOdRHdqejm-0XCu1FdjpdI4Qe4b9v61d6BO4UkV14D__mxeJ1PwcF3HqIZ2i8siUrZqmYxQ9zH0WwfeaA-CTq_ffe4_XiIVC9HI3Mcf40vXCevIViwlMCy3weL9IwcyY5G6kIqWFZKwGFAZnRf8qEJxI4yudektNDcKzTerjwIOw/w295-h490/Screenshot_20181023-111424.png" width="295" /></a></div><br /><p><br /></p><p>This is how he conducts himself in his private corner of the net</p><p><br /></p><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgHSd5TyzV3RfIg5fU1N70OPHzqRM8672a6R7xgqUXSHHEDXGIuA30BGCADNd2IDqom1P3yvEE_fzc1kWxc4S1anwgMWbzNe4zrhn0x-d5jFfcVpFL3wU2xSIX2MZKevml6JJWoDWPeynuf-ohV4i1TG1tDAJfJDAcpmQns5V9rzp8FPpWOXmctd1Mbdw/s400/IMG_20181029_190227_512.JPG" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="176" data-original-width="400" height="185" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgHSd5TyzV3RfIg5fU1N70OPHzqRM8672a6R7xgqUXSHHEDXGIuA30BGCADNd2IDqom1P3yvEE_fzc1kWxc4S1anwgMWbzNe4zrhn0x-d5jFfcVpFL3wU2xSIX2MZKevml6JJWoDWPeynuf-ohV4i1TG1tDAJfJDAcpmQns5V9rzp8FPpWOXmctd1Mbdw/w405-h185/IMG_20181029_190227_512.JPG" width="405" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Charmed I'm sure.</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><br /><br /><br />This was removed by YouTube. Ben's naked and thinking about sex video. <br /><br /><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj58VaeaUjZ4ziGOTKR3Ts0mJJm7A1q_0rLgavkCDfRgCVJQbU_tYZU_KN5dj1nxDODPwQtqILYk5PaWOg6i8nFPuYZfFAoD-zE83BJ6EgsxAjpj-wskPt1RYZCyLmX2_H0t76kQY_U2Tu54mlcm0YxlF2e7L_oKXdyTsjA7-FHjLtqptku2AOtyt6dYg/s608/Screenshot_20180307-092935.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="608" data-original-width="342" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj58VaeaUjZ4ziGOTKR3Ts0mJJm7A1q_0rLgavkCDfRgCVJQbU_tYZU_KN5dj1nxDODPwQtqILYk5PaWOg6i8nFPuYZfFAoD-zE83BJ6EgsxAjpj-wskPt1RYZCyLmX2_H0t76kQY_U2Tu54mlcm0YxlF2e7L_oKXdyTsjA7-FHjLtqptku2AOtyt6dYg/s320/Screenshot_20180307-092935.png" width="180" /></a></div><br /><p>As you can see by the title below his 'thinking about sex' video (gag) and the blog I wrote (above), he is against immigration and is a Holocaust Denier. He was not only sacked from being a hospital porter in 2013 but he was banned from the hospital grounds by court order, because he just will not leave people alone. He is a stalker, a relentless harasser and shit stirrer. He thinks he is clever and cunning but he is as cunning and as clever as Baldrick. For those who have no idea who Baldrick is, he is neither cunning nor clever. <br /></p><p><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><iframe allowfullscreen='allowfullscreen' webkitallowfullscreen='webkitallowfullscreen' mozallowfullscreen='mozallowfullscreen' width='320' height='266' src='https://www.blogger.com/video.g?token=AD6v5dyJUjYQSGDwWqK_iYTywsFuKlMi3bJ4XVu4cLlxoit0uY3PvZiy-t5GPThOdbvCux0Sbvai4a2FgneqD4_nuQ' class='b-hbp-video b-uploaded' frameborder='0'></iframe></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">My reaction to all of this</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhI7CIZ9ql25em0bQzjk9seTFaArMoGaZi1wAqHMsJUtlD69wxGLra0FZbpz2ueH84dBq0UtxWUXOLTJjn6pU88yCsX7dqYMgpmc8uPeS24Q-Q9IJz6w6f3EKXFK5sMz7FEKTwpvoVygkrMfHtsXIvdQKglso3DXOi1KPf1EGkEpQg2uzuAz_41USztsQ/s1079/Screenshot_20220511-145748_Skype.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="943" data-original-width="1079" height="280" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhI7CIZ9ql25em0bQzjk9seTFaArMoGaZi1wAqHMsJUtlD69wxGLra0FZbpz2ueH84dBq0UtxWUXOLTJjn6pU88yCsX7dqYMgpmc8uPeS24Q-Q9IJz6w6f3EKXFK5sMz7FEKTwpvoVygkrMfHtsXIvdQKglso3DXOi1KPf1EGkEpQg2uzuAz_41USztsQ/s320/Screenshot_20220511-145748_Skype.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Ska Face and his two toned head. </td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><p>People are laughing at him and creeped out by him, in equal measures and with good reason. He achieved nothing. Turning up at a conference dressed like that, pretending you are banned, then to try make people think the lovely, productive, genuinely helpful people there are the problem is pure insanity. Dealing with Ben is like pulling teeth... Need more leverage. <br /></p><p><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><iframe allowfullscreen='allowfullscreen' webkitallowfullscreen='webkitallowfullscreen' mozallowfullscreen='mozallowfullscreen' width='320' height='266' src='https://www.blogger.com/video.g?token=AD6v5dw5pYA1Uh8R2u1UvAywg4R-G7Rw_ZtqsUUQ__OW3__IZDbLEOthsxokHf3nc5Vyjg6osr0ZktpaM6WTjbwWxQ' class='b-hbp-video b-uploaded' frameborder='0'></iframe></div><br /><p>Not only did he go to the conference as he did, he made a video thinking he had been clever about it. He mentions he has a problem with me, good, I hope I live under his skin, I hope I haunt his dreams, I haven't even thought about him in years, he is absolutely nothing to me. Less than nothing. He was at his worst, inconvenient, at his best, freaking hilarious and always utterly pointless, nothing has changed in that regard. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><iframe allowfullscreen="" class="BLOG_video_class" height="266" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/jA1Gst9E5xo" width="320" youtube-src-id="jA1Gst9E5xo"></iframe></div><br />.<p></p><p><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi9cfRWgRytVfNWSWmmWrLF3sHHzNpdBQcrh2SLrDv3gaTYsWmCoxZ1nc_5oJysTswoGFLzkpQtPenWzHmP0sKncbzVvQcZS6FBhiypNkGvXIZZvFNVyCN2D31ydKAPwWybmJ-0MePlcY4833nDtwkXNMoMG4bivRYSt7voFZKyrBm4JsqOl8q6sNL4xw/s418/judge%20mental.PNG" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="418" data-original-width="343" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi9cfRWgRytVfNWSWmmWrLF3sHHzNpdBQcrh2SLrDv3gaTYsWmCoxZ1nc_5oJysTswoGFLzkpQtPenWzHmP0sKncbzVvQcZS6FBhiypNkGvXIZZvFNVyCN2D31ydKAPwWybmJ-0MePlcY4833nDtwkXNMoMG4bivRYSt7voFZKyrBm4JsqOl8q6sNL4xw/s320/judge%20mental.PNG" width="263" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9p0C6jZGhq3iENcaiQaaNgcrtFUEUzDt9wFcGt-RpKz6DQFHLpEDJzaAkef5q0Qv4Qn3KTOMvGTSrjGfJPLw1qwj4COFJVOqLy4PhKcPtBYupmJqLqvWOI3Bp1_ya3YsVz3FNxOSZEkXJV3vli1Nuo4SOiD4oH_g_oEE_xeXSdUYigzEMYEgB8WwT/s400/28471867_10157121085230830_3068712055538459483_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="223" data-original-width="400" height="178" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9p0C6jZGhq3iENcaiQaaNgcrtFUEUzDt9wFcGt-RpKz6DQFHLpEDJzaAkef5q0Qv4Qn3KTOMvGTSrjGfJPLw1qwj4COFJVOqLy4PhKcPtBYupmJqLqvWOI3Bp1_ya3YsVz3FNxOSZEkXJV3vli1Nuo4SOiD4oH_g_oEE_xeXSdUYigzEMYEgB8WwT/s320/28471867_10157121085230830_3068712055538459483_n.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjXEV30QYHA-ZSEtyuCwIbucLLPUjXY7UR2612f042qKCAG8BD32cQbGHn8vvlVjx_Xf-POjNaUN_VOmG0AOyAHaeJZYJdVDVerbKnebNsQyFTHOOFbJVNTvEHDDJoW6JSk1y0zzQ7yW_i_9CSqio_oQUrMilN2MQlkKLk3uHiPHKhhPsFE3CPZ6vqm/s400/28577852_10157121085300830_6990153788988876779_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="223" data-original-width="400" height="178" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjXEV30QYHA-ZSEtyuCwIbucLLPUjXY7UR2612f042qKCAG8BD32cQbGHn8vvlVjx_Xf-POjNaUN_VOmG0AOyAHaeJZYJdVDVerbKnebNsQyFTHOOFbJVNTvEHDDJoW6JSk1y0zzQ7yW_i_9CSqio_oQUrMilN2MQlkKLk3uHiPHKhhPsFE3CPZ6vqm/s320/28577852_10157121085300830_6990153788988876779_n.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgXp6_a04B8oMK7fKCMeJFjrcrQH8d18Y-9dzcI41ts-jisrUKOyNndAa9Qec9krVNCCj52X8YQm7b-d05QycleUWEEFHzuRYxJVAlJ268FUOV96Jyz7CPew15uL86j5gczpYUyKX7ElPTYHDzq-Iaqiiq-f0rqEafZwXmb3ZGNO3w67HvVMidFhrsq/s400/received_10216408985439747.jpeg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="400" data-original-width="377" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgXp6_a04B8oMK7fKCMeJFjrcrQH8d18Y-9dzcI41ts-jisrUKOyNndAa9Qec9krVNCCj52X8YQm7b-d05QycleUWEEFHzuRYxJVAlJ268FUOV96Jyz7CPew15uL86j5gczpYUyKX7ElPTYHDzq-Iaqiiq-f0rqEafZwXmb3ZGNO3w67HvVMidFhrsq/s320/received_10216408985439747.jpeg" width="302" /></a></div><br /><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgDBiLeIe17BS5-Ev5KbExuw63BaBIEJu2rQHeasBexf1NSKN9RQyDIe_rsHjXN-THtJoqEXARBY5hpGdVuB_hmZb8sFCYCZYEvBTLFBXRami82ouxn213Pw_4OowcNksGycI2vuzxT7AqaPx6CfsNT0kHqFHOWiZ8eKAKrcjxTeRnQsZWPNrGKo2Mk/s400/28471311_10157121085080830_3367084363817371459_n.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="225" data-original-width="400" height="180" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgDBiLeIe17BS5-Ev5KbExuw63BaBIEJu2rQHeasBexf1NSKN9RQyDIe_rsHjXN-THtJoqEXARBY5hpGdVuB_hmZb8sFCYCZYEvBTLFBXRami82ouxn213Pw_4OowcNksGycI2vuzxT7AqaPx6CfsNT0kHqFHOWiZ8eKAKrcjxTeRnQsZWPNrGKo2Mk/s320/28471311_10157121085080830_3367084363817371459_n.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">By the power of Numbskull</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div>To Chris Evers and everyone who helped organise and spoke the conference, it was brilliant, it is so friendly and welcoming, interesting and informative. Well done. He couldn't shine a light to any one of your turds, let alone put something like that together. Stay Vector. </div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div>Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-3950933328171257982019-12-12T12:02:00.003+00:002019-12-19T20:51:52.999+00:00The Fake Rendlesham Therapist Who Tried To Change Jim Penniston's Rendlesham Narrative With Lies. Edit 13th Dec 2019 & 17th December 2019<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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One of the real mysteries around the RFI collective is Tracy Nicol Farley. Why is she a mystery? Well it isn't actually her, it is why she thinks anything is her business when she was in a relationship with Jim Penniston for only 8 weeks and the basis of their relationship was pure lies on her part.<br />
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She has a page, it is called Rendlesham and is on Facebook. The page is nine and a half years old and is dedicated to stalking Jim Penniston, myself, my partner Dave, Jim's Co-author Gary Osborn and Rendlesham researcher Ronnie Dugdale.<br />
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She seems to think that the events that have happened in our lives with various people are some how her business. It seems the only thing that concerns her currently, is the identity of someone who went by the name of David Rochon and that there is some huge conspiracy of silence. Basically, nobody will tell her again, she already knows everything that has been said, but pretends she doesn't and acts like we are all hiding some big important secret. She keeps mentioning someone else too, trying to make out we are all in some big thing together, hiding secrets from her. Well... if there are any secrets, they are no business of hers anyway.<br />
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She sits on her page and has done for just shy of a decade, wittering about Jim and John, Myself and Dave constantly, and anyone else who dare have an opinion on anything. I don't recall the Rochon situation much, it never meant anything to me aside from another bit of gossip amongst three hundred thousand other moments of gossip, insinuation and drama.<br />
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She seems to think that all of the to's and fro's between us researchers is her business because she shared a bed with Jim for a couple of months. So lets look at that. She recently accused me of being Jim's new guard dog, that is so funny. Jim and I barely talk, I have done most of my chatting to Gary.<br />
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Jim sent me the book because he thinks that it will explain everything adequately and that it will convince me that the binary code is real. Jim knows as does Gary and the rest of the world that I believe Jim when he says he saw the craft, touched it, drew the symbols, I 100% believe that. I struggle with the binary code and have explained that is because of the way things came about and things said way back then which were contradictory. I am however aware of the fact that I believed Warren and therefore all of the narrative in my head that was amalgamated by him, was a total lie and so in fact, I didn't know the whole story at all. Back to the drawing board for me.<br />
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When my partner Dave fell out with Jim almost a decade ago it was when Jim started to speculate about what he should do with the codes. Dave said to him send them to me I will put them on the website, Jim said he wanted to either put them on a disc or in a book and sell them. Tracy seems to think that there is another huge crime committed there. Dave declared it all a scam and quit helping with social media and whatever else he was doing for Jim and John as they were still friends at the time.<br />
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Now Tracy still wants me to say something about that so here is is... Tracy, he did sell the codes, translated in his book written with Gary. So.. there you go. I was right, he did want to sell them, Dave was the person who cried scam and dumped them. I don't know why you think I am so important in all this but I am flattered and amused that you have solidly written me into things more than you can actually write yourself into things.<br />
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So lets rewind to when Jim discovered that she is a liar. She told him she was a therapist, that is how she came into his life. She is not a therapist. She told him to stop taking his medication and started telling him he was talking in his sleep. He recorded himself sleeping, one day when she said he had been talking in his sleep, he listened back to the tape and he in fact had not been talking in his sleep. that was another lie.<br />
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This makes her a liar and manipulator. We can speculate as to why, I will leave that to your own imaginations, but why would you tell someone they are talking in their sleep unless you were trying to control the narrative and make yourself look like a witness to the phenomena and information when you are not. Tracy Farley lied from day one.<br />
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Scenario: Military UFO witness is approached by a woman who claims to be a therapist and isn't, worms her way into the witnesses life and lies to him and the world about him saying things in his sleep. What kind of a person would do that? Not a spook. A spook would be much cleverer than this. The chosen spook would actually have credentials to cement their role in the scenario, they would have a narrative and stick to it and they wouldn't do anything as idiotic as trying to convince them they were talking in their sleep saying relevant things about the incident they were involved in when they were not talking in their sleep..<br />
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So who is she? Where does she come from? I can trace her back to the Anderson institute where her daughter H.F seems to work. The Anderson cult of time travel. I did find a photo of her daughter, they look very alike, I won't be posting it here though. Other than that, nobody knows. We know she hops around from South Africa to Ireland, she told me she is from Leeds originally, obviously, I can't believe a word she says, only a fool would believe a known and outed liar.<br />
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Lets travel back through time to when this all blew up and Jim wrote a Facebook Note which is still on his page. It is a very interesting read on many levels, but for the purpose of this blog lets just keep the spotlight on the lady who craves the attention so much, Ms Tracy Nicol Farley.<br />
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The huge irony is that the first part focuses on Tracy bitching about her name being on the website and she wanted all traces removing, she then dedicates a page to hounding Jim, Gary and others and sits on it for a decade spewing the same thing over and over again. Yet she thinks she can diagnose me with some sort of disorder needing 'heavy' medication. I am not the person stalking my ex boyfriend of 8 weeks for ten years with no sign of a let up, after lying to him from the get go. She doesn't post under her own name, she hides behind the name "Rendlesham" while she constantly mentions all the people who aren't allowed to use her name.<br />
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I am also not in any frenzy, why would I be? This is laughable trolling and boy am I used to that now. Its just noise from desperate people wanting to be special when they're really not. Only liars care about being believed, I couldn't give a rats anus whether you believe me or not, if you look at the evidence, you will see what everyone else sees. If you don't, it won't reduce my oxygen supply, I won't suffer from it. After all, this isn't the whole world, it is a small section of a specific interest group.<br />
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Facebook pages are just that, they are not important organisations wielding power. I have been doing this for years now, if I got worked up at every comment I would have been dead by now. Stress kills. But they want you to think I am completely unhinged, broken, weird and devious, when in actual fact that is a reflection of Tracy Farley and her ilk. If you think that of me, I am fine with that. I do not care about what complete strangers think of me. Nobody is stood screaming in my face, if they did I would record them, call the police etc. We now know she is definitely not qualified to diagnose anyone with any kind of illness, never mind knowing whether a person needs heavy medication or not. We also know she never reads anything unless it is about herself, so she won't have read a single word of my research and therefore all her conclusions are massively flawed because she has chosen wilful ignorance, just like some of the followers of the Capel Green lie.<br />
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<b><u>In the comments above Tracy tells us her intention is to cause further harm to myself which will result in me needing heavy medication. This statement is purely to cause psychological harm via harassment on social media, I haven't written anything about Warren in two months and the last blog was exactly that, the last blog. Now she thinks it is funny to mock people she thinks have mental health problems, someone who needs heavy medication is a Banshee. Tracy Farley is the fake therapist and has no qualifications in that area and if she had, statements like this would see her struck off. Nobody is in a frenzy apart from Ms Farley. Here you can see her for what she really is. </u></b><br />
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<b><u>Housecleaning Tracy Nicol Farley</u></b><br />
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By Jim Penniston on Monday, 24 December 2012 at 13:00<br />
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<span style="text-align: center;">House cleaning time on Tracy Nicol Farley. I have kept quiet for a couple of years, but it is time to set the record straight on Tracy Farley and her childish behaviour. I will not comment further other than this one and only statement. I am using some of her postings to demonstrate on the instability of this person. She has misrepresented herself with John, Gary, and I. So it is now time to set the record straight. We do have all the emails and communications from her to back ALL that we say. And we do have an attorney and are prepared to eliminate this issue legally. </span><br />
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I now see finally the removal of my name of Gary Osborn’s official web site in relation to the Rendlesham case. This is not enough. I want ALL reference and any association of myself which include any reference to Wayne Herschel of Hidden Records; I will NOT be associated with this person nor the binary codes or any individuals in relation to RFI. Due to the sensitive nature of all this,it is in their interests to remove ALL information relating to myself as quickly as possible. I will however in due course and in my own time, tell my side of what did take place when I feel it is the correct time to do so. I have sought assistance re this and I am quite able to write my side of accounts as I experienced them without any bullying or harassment from others who have tried to intervene these past months. I ask Gary Osborn to now ensure ALL reference re me is removed and not just my name of his site.<br />
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Note by Gary Osborn:<br />
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I have taken this person's name off my web page as is her wish that I do so. As she stated, she now wants nothing to do with the Rendlesham Incident or the codes. My actions in doing so are not to be interpreted wrongly – i.e.,that I've “caved” by giving in to her demands. Its proper protocol to respect a person's wishes to remain anonymous if it’s requested. However, at the same time I can only shrug my shoulders at the irony of it.<br />
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I warned her about the consequences of doing this when she first asked me to remove her name some months ago, because it is a fact that she was the one who got me involved in the first place and that by taking her name out of the picture, it will only cause another “hole” in the accounts that are already rife with holes, inconstancy's and contradictions – a hole that would cause more headaches to researchers in the future. However these are all things that Jim Penniston and John Burroughs have assured people they are going to finally put right in their book.<br />
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Tracy Farley continues to complain about wanting answers. Tracy came to me saying she was a professional therapist, and that she could help me find some answers, and now she is trying to reverse it.<br />
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Tracy was invited to the Rendlesham Reunion in December 2010 by 'Prometheus Pictures', so she could be an active therapist with us and for me personally while we were at Rendlesham.<br />
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In the event of stirring up old trauma and things, below are the excerpts of emails between Kim S of Prometheus and me prior to going to the UK.<br />
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This CLEARLY shows Tracy Farley's intent while there as my therapist.<br />
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Prior to going over to the UK, Tracy was actively working also as my therapist.<br />
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Important: Tracy Farley instructed me to STOP TAKING MY MEDICATION to keep me from dreaming and getting proper sleep. This later proved to be an irresponsible action on her part – especially when the facts later became known that she was NO therapist and had lied about that.<br />
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She also wanted me to tape and also sends the results of ALL my dreams to her.<br />
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She would then analyse my dreams and help with the PTSD which was involved with the RFI.<br />
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From: Kim S<br />
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Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 10:05:12 AM<br />
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Subject: Re: Woodbridge Trip<br />
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Can I get the name of the therapist? I need to firm up hotel reservation.<br />
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On Dec 9, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Jim Penniston wrote:<br />
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Hello Kim,<br />
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Thanks for the confirmation and itinerary ... Looks good ... the Therapist will be in Woodbridge the afternoon of the 27th from Johannesburg, so requires a stay of the 27th thru the morning of the 30th. Also I am unable to download the attachment with the flight info ... I don’t have an associated program to do this ...Could Melissa, possibly cut and paste it into word please. It would be appreciated. Otherwise it looks very good on the set up...<br />
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Hope we have no bad weather while we are there ... They have been telling us that there has been much snow and rain. Of course John and I are used to that kind of weather. Might make it difficult for you folks though ... Be waiting for your reply.<br />
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James W. Penniston, USAF/Retired<br />
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Here is an unauthorized and public posting of one of the many, many dreams that I openly sent to Tracy in confidence and in her claimed capacity of being a professional therapist.<br />
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This is a private discussion that I was having about my dreams. The dreams were generated by stopping medication of a beta blocker which was prescribed by my Doctor.<br />
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Tracy claims she is a certified and licensed hypno-therapist, so I trusted her with these documents. In the documents I clearly say they are private and confidential and I want them destroyed after reading.<br />
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Here is what Tracy published on the Internet, and to all my friends,without my consent or permission ... what kind of person would do something like this?<br />
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Jim Penniston to Tracy Farley:<br />
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This is part of a series of correspondence by Mr. James Penniston that was given to me over the course of a year. There has been much exchange of information in private between us. Some will not be released.<br />
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What needs to be explored, is that this alleged information is"dangerous" as well as the "time" element which needs to be investigated further as to what it all might mean etc.<br />
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Ok Tracy, here is what John believes ... he has not told me his source ... i.e., dreams, or what ... So bear with me on all of this, some I wholeheartedly believe and some is up for debate ... But to tell Johns part of his belief ... I must also talk about things too, things I have never mentioned to anyone, they have been a secret I have kept them for thirty years ... so this is very dangerous information ... you will know when you get to it, that is explains time travel, the effects and how they accomplish this. It does not talk about origin, that hopefully we will find in December ... it also tells about the binary code, that I have always known what it said, and this must stay between you and I only … no one else can know ... So I think I will tell it all to you, or at least all I know so far ...<br />
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I would like it destroyed, the email that is ... If I sound paranoid, I am ... I would like you to print a copy or save it to a disk ... In the event something happens ... Don’t foresee anything happening, but, I want to ensure this information is not lost and at least one other knows of it ...thank-you my friend ... So here it goes...<br />
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John thinks that our DNA has special properties that he and I share... (He wants DNA Testing Done, the Cost is very high) He believes that we have been influenced as a race ... that our DNA, has been altered throughout millenniums. Only a few possess the original DNA, which has been passed down throughout the years ... He also believes that the DNA string has the ability to remember life times before ... In particular, and independently of each other ... we both remember 1780. Involvement was in the military at the time.<br />
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The time before that were around 200 BC ... He also believes that it has it limits on memory which may be carried ... and passed on to the next generation.<br />
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To be able to receive and to communicate with them, only the people who have these traits or DNA enhancement can do that ... So it was not by chance on that fateful night neither of December 26, 1980, nor for John on the 27th and morning of the 28th. It was orchestrated for us to be there ... as it has been done before. Of course when you can control and manipulate time, all is possible too ...<br />
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That is why on the second night with Halt, John was internally directed to go out there ... and that is why it went to John and appeared to John and no one else except Adrian who was twenty feet behind him on the ground… that is when John got up and approached the blue and white light ... Adrian saw John being taken into this light and disappear ... And before John disappeared a triangular black craft appeared within the light, Adrian’s testimony ... And at that point the information about the first night was only known to me, and of course John could not remember it... So identical match of craft and color ...<br />
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Adrian has a lot to add to this, and he is the other on our book ...The witnesses whom wanted to be left to obscurity for the rest of his life has agreed to talk about all of this ... including the fact he did not see Larry Warren out there during this activity ... although it was possible he showed up after it was over, but highly doubtful ... But who really cares about his XXX XXX fabrications and embellishments... I just don’t personally care about the Warren factor, with RFI, because he is insignificant about what really transpired out there … that night ... but you will know as you read more ...<br />
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And Larry used Adrian's account that he had told Larry, before it was deemed TOP SECRET ...<br />
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I was in front of John about three feet, we were together ... We both remember hitting the ground when this blinding white light pulsated to a high magnitude with blue light fringing around it.<br />
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I entered the bubble field first, then John, silence was then the most prominent part of it ... the area or field seem dead, the air, no sound,no rustling of air or wind, no distant sounds, no animals, nothing ... a dead silence. A feeling of a new dimension. A strong static on clothes and hair and skin ... being pulled toward the light ... Then dissipated ... I was alone.... And from John’s perspective, he has no memory. John is standing still and motionless. I yelled at him, of course no reaction he does not move, he of course cannot hear me, and I then turn and focus on the craft, and did my stuff, as I have told so many times before. I was very scared and I had John non responsive ... it was just horrible........ His memory starts as it lifts off the ground as the bubble recedes and back through the trees ... And we mean through the trees.... The trees were very close there, they were only separated about four to five feet ... The craft was at least nine feet long or wide ...<br />
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Anyway, John believes that I was supposed to receive all communication on night one. From the binary code after touching the Glyph and having they imprinted in my mind ... John was meant to be the enabler for the second night ... memory has failed him and memory has failed me, we both believe by design, a safety protocol by them ... The interference was caused by the U.S. Agents and the sodium pentathol .... and we believe suggestions to remember certain things ... That is why we both believe in total recall will happen at the sites ... And of course our uncontrollable drive to return. We have known we must return for at least 16 years ... the date is coming and weare ready...<br />
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Back to John, he believes that, they have been travelling from the future, or even another dimension ... he was not clear on this ... He also believes that they have been coming here for a very long time ... For at least five to seven thousand years ... He believes there is clear evidence throughout history of their presence and influence on us as a race. Of course time to them, is relative, is it not ... What is thousands of years could be a year to them ... Who knows ... it is all about time...<br />
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We both talk about being drawn in ... On the first and second night for John and only on the first night for me ... This drawing in is pulling like gravity pulling on us, pulling us toward the pinnacle of the light ... Now for the time travel stuff ...<br />
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It is because the travel is only possible with great speed. A residual effect of a jump for them after arrival is a gravity field that is many times stronger than what is natural here on earth ... The so called bubble, the space initially after a jump, around the craft is changed; the airis dampened to eliminate sound transfer to our ears ...<br />
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Charging of the field appears to us as electricity and has the feeling of static ... And of course time draw down or displacement happens.<br />
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The disappearing of light is the craft only coming to synchronises to normal time and space...<br />
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The source of the speed generation is from tachyons, a sub -atomic particle, source of power. They are able to charge and contain them, for some reason they occur naturally throughout space ... containment of these little guys, is the key to using them for the purpose of travel ... Although unable to generate enough power to achieve light speed, it is not needed ...<br />
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Because the time threshold to create the field is actually before light speed. (I am sure this goes against all of our understanding of physics too) There is a window which operates from slower to faster, until the time field is opened ... Depends on things I do not know ... But, there is a clear reason for this...<br />
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That is why they have limits on the amount of time they can transverse. It requires speed, and they could not ever generate enough speed to gain the speed of light. So much energy is needed, that even to them it is not possible for light speed. It requires way too much energy... the effect of time warping or looping is done at acceleration below the threshold of light speed,where these fields will naturally occur.<br />
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It creates a phenomena, which only they know, and not us, during this time warping/looping they achieve what they call translucence travel, unknown to us... when the craft reaches this window of speed, the craft itself becomes where you can see through the bulk heads and walls of craft... as for the traveller, they would seem suspended in open space. It becomes invisible for a lack of a better term.... causing a dimensional phasing of sorts. Space narrows and is focused in a circle ahead of them... It is an unknown to us and why it happens of course would be too... It is the variables with translucent travel that allows time to slow or speed up... or allow them to travel through time.<br />
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The craft on my night was an unmanned craft, a drone, or probe if you wish ... The main ship remained in space, far earth orbit. Now John’s night, I do believe that was manned ... They use them all the time ... these probes, even though they are different sizes and different missions they can travel within a generated field of gravity and slip through our atmosphere with ease. A bubble effect is produced, which will not cause sonic booms nor hinder extreme manoeuvring. And no air displacement of course...<br />
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One other thing, I do have two people from two separate geographic locations decoding the binary code.... Well, it is still not done ... but what you will find is the binary code tells what the craft is, it will translate to say:<br />
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Fourth Coordinate Continuous Sequence Probe for Exploration of Humanity ... and the ships number 3338 (that part does not make sense to me,unfortunately, does that mean there are that many of them??) And the equivalent of a GPS coordinates for RAF Woodbridge ... evidently a future site of something important in the future.<br />
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I have always believed this since that night. Can I decode the binary stuff written ... no I don’t have the education to do it ... but, I will stake my life on the above and what it says ... This has been with me since the night of initial contact ... So, it is just not me who knows now ... so do you and I did ask you if you were prepared to go the long haul with this, which is your life time ... Now you know what I have known, from day one...<br />
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So there is nothing more to tell, until December. I wait for discovery of the rest.<br />
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So there it is my friend ... now what do we do with this ... Well,we see it out, and hope for total recall from the landing site, or a scheduled contact ... this is unknown...<br />
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Now imagine if you will, we came out with this in 1980 and said to hell with the classified stuff and the Air Force ... What would happen, what would people think...... well I am sure we would have been separated from the Air Force and with a bad discharge too....? Or maybe something much worse....<br />
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In closing with this posting by me, is there more to come, yes there is more to come. (In the book) and with our attorney. The bottom line is that I trusted this woman as my therapist and shared private dreams from the post tramatic stress disorder. She promised to help me understand these dreams and trauma. Instead she is trying to use these dreams against me. She has publicly displayed them, and is trying to use them against me. Is anyone responsible for what they dream?<br />
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As you can see she is entirely deceitful. She isn't anyone seasoned, she doesn't weild huge secrets, she asks questions she knows the answer to constantly. for nine and a half years she has sat on that page talking about things that are none of her business, the only thing that is her business is the eight weeks they were together. My business is not her business and she can quote me until she drops down dead, I have nothing to hide, I am not in cahoots with anyone, I am certainly nobodies guard dog and all the things she says are imagined in her head.<br />
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She has no clue of the status of any relationships in anyones lives, not mine, not Gary's, not Jim's. She has trolled and harassed all of us incessantly for 9.5 years giving the impression to outsiders that she is somehow relevant. She says she saw Jim writing things down, she says a lot of things, she said she was a therapist and that Jim was talking in her sleep, so nothing she says can be taken as the truth. Just like Larry warren, not involved but made it all about him, Tracy does the same and is another desperate narcissist who wants to be part of something that wants nothing to do with her. Below is a small collection of some of the posts she has put up this past week, if you go back the whole nine and a half years i bet our names have been mentioned a thousand times.<br />
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She even says in one post that it was not my partner Dave who set up Jim and Johns website and social media pages, it was John Rackham, that isn't true but she says John told her that, so she believes hearsay over facts. Because of that post i tagged Jim in a post and asked him to confirm it was Dave Kelly who established their Internet presence. he commented to the affirmative, so that in itself shows you that Tracy Farley hasn't a single clue what she is talking about and is quite simply Jim Penniston's stalker who wormed her way into his life by lying to him.<br />
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Here is the link to that Facebook post which is public so you do not need a Facebook account to read it. <a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2665701926853829&set=a.100232780067436&type=3&theater">Jim Penniston confirms Dave Kelly was his webmaster and social media manager. </a><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">He told me himself he was partially interviewed for Capel Green. The only part of that film that bothers me is warren's testimony. this has never been about Capel Green, it was always about the lies of Larrty Warren. Why shouldn't they be in it? Gary heseltine tried to make what I was doing about him and Capel Green. He failed and is a total disgrace and has compromised all of the witnesses by gluing them to Warren to make his story stand up, it really doesn't under scrutiny.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">I do not need to do any such thing. YOU need to correct all of your false statements Tracy</td></tr>
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Ok lets look at what she thinks she knows about Dave Kelly. She and others have been telling people that Dave is a hacker. He is a computer guy is the rumour. That is actually rubbish. Yes he knows how to create a website, you pay for your domain and use templates, this does not involve coding or any such thing. I created my own blog and I am definitely not a computer wizz.<br />
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Now Dave originally was a tool maker, he is fully qualified and won an award many years ago. He then went into Telecommunications. Now telecommunications and IT are two completely different things. What Dave was doing is laying copper cables and was responsible for Liverpool Universities telephones and data connections. A huge responsibility as you can imagine, but at no point did he ever install a computer or have anything to do with software on those computers. He installed the cables, telephones and the sockets needed for people to communicate.<br />
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Fortunately his Facebook business page still exists, here is the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/DNKCommunications/">URL</a> so you can go through it and get a good idea of what it was Dave actually did for 20 years until they changed from copper cable to voip systems and his services were not in keeping with the new requirements of communications within the University. His duties included him working in highly secure server rooms for the University, connecting them to other government services, one slight paranoia about anyone being a hacker and that is the end of their career, it will be the end of Daves career.<br />
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Some of the areas in the University are literally top secret and only Dave had clearance to enter these areas, none of his staff were allowed anywhere near them. He had to go through numerous interviews and background checks to be given the clearance to enter these very secure parts of the University. Dave has told Tracy that her dangerous mouth could affect his career but she doesn't care about that, she doesn't care about anything apart from who David Rochon is and who's saying what. Her pathetically shallow existence and dangerous mouth could actually cause very severe issues, all over a bit of gossip. She is literally happy to destroy lives and careers thinking she is somehow significant and that her obsessive curiosity is more important than anything in the world.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">You should get a life of your own or something Tracy YOU are the one who spreads RUMOURS. I have presented evidence of lies but you do not read anything.</td></tr>
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The fact that I have had a couple of short communications with Jim Penniston and a few conversations with Gary Osborn feels like incest to Tracy Farley, the author of all the Rendlesham posts. Incest. We barely know each other but that to her conjures images of sexual relations between family members, I think that statement says more about her than it says about any of us. She has sat on that page for just short of ten years repeating the same questions, you would think in all that time she would have figured something out, read a few books, listened to the podcasts and radio shows, but no. You will see how she says she hasn't read any of it, how she only manages to listen to ten seconds of a recording, she then relies on other people to give her a truncation which she then repeats as if what she is saying is first hand and her own conclusions. She told me once that she hasn't read any of the books because Jim's future people told her not to.<br />
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Tracy's response to this blog, I'm Jim's Guard Dog again. She thinks I'm helping him sell books. Every time I reference a book, I hyperlink to Amazon. Here's proof.<br />
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So desperate for some attention, you sit in a bucket of your own fecundity crying out for attention. Well here you are you've had some attention you sad article. </div>
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Endlessly posting about the one that couldn't get away from you fast enough because you lied and manipulated him.. You're a saggy old lolita wanna be with absolutely no life whatsoever. </div>
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Endlessly posting about something said 10 years ago. If you have the emails you know the story, I can't even remember and don't care because it's utterly ridiculous gossiping nonsense that only matters to you but you don't matter to anybody. </div>
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You've slept with.. sorry...had sex with and tried to bed them all to get information and you FAILED.<br />
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Hoppity hop. Gary H, Jim P, JB saw right through you and left you standing. </div>
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You tried to manipulate Jim by saying he was talking in his sleep so he recorded all night. You told him he was talking in his sleep trying to write the narrative, to insert your own bullshit into proceedings and FAILED. You were together for only TWO MONTHS. </div>
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You are a FAILURE and a sad middle aged nobody who's only value to the public is endless "omgs whats she on about now" about you and your pathetic ways. "Oh god rumpledforeskin is stamping her foot again" </div>
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Nobody cares. Nobody is interested. You're all alone with you witter page and nobody gives a flying shit. <br />
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You can mention our names a million times, which you will, and nothing will change because nobody is going to talk to you about any of it. So carry on and on and on and on. </div>
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You are the single most jealous blob of nothingness I've ever had the misfortune to have experienced. <br />
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You're a failure like Larry Warren. A nothing. Not even a real person. Just empty nothing. </div>
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Planted in the new book? I'm in loads of books because of my research. You're in a book because you're a sneaky tramp.<br />
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Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-41275803483398856442019-10-08T16:03:00.002+01:002019-10-08T16:03:29.917+01:00Sacha Christie The Larry Warren Fraud Conference Talk at The Halt Returns to Woodbridge Conference, Sept 2019<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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Larry Warren and Gary Heseltine have made every effort to make you think I am broken and weird. Even Larry Warren's Ex wife Sue McAllister says I make everything up.<br />
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Here is 90 minutes of Larry Warren telling different versions of the same events. This consists of audio, video, screenshots and various books about the Rendlesham Forest Incidents.<br />
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Everything has been said before by himself or an author. Proof perfect that it is NOT all coming from me. </div>
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On Monday 29th July 20129 Kevin Randle wrote and posted a blog entry on his blog, A Different Perspective A COMMENTARY ON UFOS, PARANORMAL EVENTS, AND RELATED TOPICS. called 'Larry Warren, Rendlesham forest and an audio tape'. He discusses a book he wrote in 1995 called Project Moondust, Chapter 10 concentrates on Larry Warren and the fact his account has changed many times over the years leading up to publication. We can also state that that has continued, his account changes almost every time he tells it. Occasionally there are merely little details that are different, such as how many people were in the groups who were out in the forest and surrounding areas during the incidents in 1980 that have now become known as The Rendlesham Forest Incidents. Sometimes it is groups of four, sometimes it is groups of five, almost insignificant and not worth bothering with you might think, but the details matter.<br />
Warren has two narratives about how his day panned out leading up to the events. In one narrative he is in Germany yet flying back on the 27th of December to start duty on the 28th, the other narrative he says he was on base, off duty and spent the day in Ipswich. He got to Ipswich in a car with his friends, he also went on the bus. We could say those details are insignificant but they are not are they? He either got a lift or got the bus or he was in Germany or on a plane.<br />
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Kevin wrote;<br />
'In 1995, I wrote a book, Project Moon Dust, in which I discussed the events at Rendlesham Forest in December 1980. It was an analysis that was based on the research that I done up to that point. For those who don’t know, back then, the case was quite confusing. Just who all was involved? How many days did the event last? Did anyone actually get close to an object or was it just lights in the forest? Lots of questions and only a few good answers.<br />
To expand on this, I had spent some time in California with Russ Estes, a documentarian who was involved in the UFO community. According to him, Larry Warren had stayed with him for several months, and Estes, as a documentarian, sat him down in front of his camera, asking him about the activities at Bentwaters. Warren, to prove his credentials, provided the evidence, including photographs and paperwork that he was, in fact, a former member of the Air Force security force at Bentwaters. And, as we all now know, his presence at the base has been confirmed by Colonel Charles Halt, John Burroughs and Jim Penniston. All of them were clearly there as well.<br />
So, what is the problem? Wasn’t it Warren who first told the story to Barry Greenwood and Larry Fawcett? Without Warren, telling the story as Art Wallace, providing the first of the details, the story might have remained buried forever. Warren sparked the interest that lead to the breaking of the cover up or so it seemed.<br />
According to a couple of paragraphs posted on line by Philip Mantle, Warren had told Linda Moulton Howe that he hadn’t been direct involved, which changes the whole scenario. Mantle asked if any of us knew anything more about this'. [End Quote]<br />
Now the post Kevin is referring to which Phil Mantle posted on his time line, is a transcript of a conversation between Linda Moulton Howe and Benton Jamieson in 1986. They were together and interview3ed Warren, they each has a tape recorder and the both recorded the conversation. To date this conversation has never been released as audio to the public. In Kevin's blog he mentions the fact that he was shown some video tapes by his friend Russ Estes. These have also never been shown in public.<br />
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The problem we have with that is that warren denies both. he denies the interviews ever took place with Estes or Howe and Jamieson. quite a few years ago now, I think in 2011, Linda Moulton Howe transcribed this conversation. At that time I was friends with Larry Warren and he asked me to act as a go between. Linda was to transcribe and publish sections, Warren was to respond to them and I was going to tidy up what he had written, punctuation, grammar, that is all, and then send them onto her. I was happy to do this, Linda was happy that Warren was going to respond to the things said and she was going to put them on her Earthfiles website which she did.<br />
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Warren responded to her once. he also asked for copies of the recording so he could hear it himself, she did not send a copy, nor did she even respond to the request. However, there is something that needs to be said. Warren did not deny this conversation had taken place. He did not reject the fact she had recorded the conversation. In fact there was a day when I recalled that Warren had given me a cassette he wanted me to transcribe. I hadn't done so but still had the tape in my possession. I wondered out loud if it was the recording of the conversation, he had told me that he did have a copy at one point, but he had lost it. He got very agitated and annoyed and so I found the tape and we discovered it was a conversation between Peter and himself. Why am I telling you? To show you that initially he didn't say he never had this conversation. he now denies saying these things and without the audio nobody can disprove him, we have to take it as read. Literally.<br />
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Not long after Kevin published his blog about having seen these video filmed by Estes, Philip Mantle published the blog on his Facebook page and then also produced scanned images of some of the pages from the book Project Moondust which showed people what it was that Kevin was referring to in his book. Obviously I cannot produce the whole chapter but I can give you some excerpts in a moment.<br />
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Obviously this was brought to Warren's attention and in his own inimitable style he responded thus; [QUUOTE]<br />
"What Phd Randle has written is total BS PRODUCE THE AUDIO !..and had i said that , when my book was published 11 years later Mz howe would have been swinging from the trees with the rest of her Ufology monkeys.......never happened, why..because the text below is BULLSHIT with a steep agenda behind it!....If i DID say that and the AUDIO shows that i will fold...i never did thus I WONT !Phil , do you think im stupid ? its fine if you do......but for the second time in months you have chosen to disiminate LIES about myself (your Troll friends attacks upon my family and myself with regard to 9/11 and its aftermath) and now the above? oh right your duty bound lol give me a effin break fella. the above is total mis dirrection from Phd Randle whom ive met twice and whom was upset he wasent in the credits of my book (as he winged to me at the bar at some confrence in the states years back) yup thats true...and pathetic as many faces in THAT field are and both pro and con at that.as for robbins and his pod cast...any clown can do one these days (want a list of clowns)and Robbins disavowing me.......well one would when one was up to no good whilst the principal was out of the country..and then the ex pat asked the publisher for an audit !....more on that to come....again like a number of your pals like the Troll Young , ANYTHING will be done to attack a stronger one (that would be me) from a great distance...those days end soon and i feel some Face to face time and debate is in order...you up for it Phil ?how bout your steller pals oh right...you have no card in this game, and hold no grudge or opinion !...Knock it off...focus on what ever it is you and your people do and stop fucking with my Name for your own ends...does your boy calvin even have a clue that you dont beleive in UFOs to start with ? good lord...any way its hot...and is gonna get hotter...so behave will ya..thats 2 strikes and in base ball that leves you one . oh and the film is out on............sunspots sunspots--------;;;;;;[[p';'.'p[p;.[p][;.;p[;'[p'/.';you have a beef .............Just ask..and stop playing games you for one i though better of...best to you and yours Larry" [END QUOTE]<br />
What I can glean from the above diatribe is this. He is denying he had that conversation with Howe and also Estes and the fact that nobody has ever produced these tapes publicly, they don't actually exist and both are lying and have a deep agenda. Kevin is lying and everything he says is misdirection and Kevin is just peeved that he wasn't mentioned in the Credits of Left at East Gate. I think the next bit is something along the lines that Peter ?Robbins was up to no good while he (Warren) was out of the country and that he (Warren) was the reason the book Left at East Gate was pulled. Even though it was Peter who brought to the attention of the publisher, the research I had done and some digging of his own that brought him to the conclusion that I was right, Warren was lying. The book was suspended for investigations into inaccuracies in October, a few weeks after the suspension Warren wrote on his Facebook page that he had asked the publisher to pull the book, so that chronology proves that it wasn't until after the book was suspended he asked for it to be pulled from publication. The rest is just hot air and insults. Not worth breaking my brain over.<br />
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So Kevin Randle is a liar, Linda Moulton Howe is a liar, Peter Robbins is a liar, Georgina Bruni was a liar, I am a liar, everyone is a liar apart from Warren (according to Warren) who has 100% been caught lying many times over many years by many people and we all have an agenda. For no reason whatsoever. Oh apart from my agenda is that I love Larry Warren and flipped because i couldn't have him.<br />
So what is so awful about these tapes? What has been said? Rendlesham expert Ronnie Dugdale provided the transcript of the conversation with Linda Moulton Howe and Benton Jamieson and the reason it is so problematic for Warren is that in it he admitted lying and telloing Adrian Bustinzas story and stated that he was not involved in the other nights, he was part of a seperate night altogether. Well Halt and co did not go out into the forest twice but Warren states he saw Halt and his party move off and he went off in another direction after handing in his weapon. A weapon I am pretty sure he was not qualified to carry which casts doubt on his entire narrative.<br />
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In a video filmed by Anthony James of the UFO group EMUFORA talk Warren and Robbins gave in 1994 Warren showed a document he got when he tried to reenlist which states he was discharged by the USAF Air Training Command Surgeon on September 17th 1981, by reason of congenital, partial ankylosis radioulnar joint, proximal, bilateral (cannot fully extend his right arm). One has to wonder how this would actually be discovered. If he had a disability then he wouldn't have been able to fire his weapon and therefore wouldn't have been on duty. Nobody can remember seeing him out in the field and the only comments about him being seen on duty were in the Warehouse and then when he was picking rocks on Zicklers punishment detail. Something else he denies even though he mentioned it during the conversation both Linda Moulton Howe and Benton Jamieson recorded during that interview in 1986.<br />
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In 1986, Ben Jamison and I were trying to understand all the discrepancies about
dates and different descriptions of events by at least half a dozen military personnel
who had by then been interviewed by reporter Chuck De Caro for a CNN Special
Investigations broadcast about the 1980 RAF Bentwaters events and apparent
government cover-up.
I have also discussed with author Peter Robbins my reprinting in the Earthfiles Real
X-Files the following 1986 interview with Larry Warren because Larry revealed for
the first time to Ben Jamison and me that he was talking about not only his own
firsthand experience, but had mixed in with his descriptions the trauma of Sgt. Adrian
Bustinza that left Adrian sobbing on his bunk bed. Larry explained that Sgt. Bustinza
did not want to talk to anyone, so Larry said he would get Adrian's story out mixed
with his own in order to protect Adrian. To date, Sgt. Bustinza has never spoken about
his own experiences on or off the record.
Back in 1986, Larry insisted there was only one night of events on December 27,
1980. We now know from so many other USAF personnel, who were also involved in
the RAF Bentwaters phenomena, that there were definitely 72 hours of events from
the early morning of December 26 to December 28, 1980 - and even beyond into
January 1981.
[ See July 29, 2005 Earthfiles. ]
I began by asking Larry Warren how much of what he was going to tell us was
conscious, given the 1983 first releases as “Art Wallace” in which he said he “seemed
to black out” while standing next to a craft from which non-human beings emerged<br />
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May 18, 1986, Larry Warren, New Haven, Connecticut: “I was conscious all of the
way. Obviously, there are things you don’t know about this. Never unconscious then.
I’ve never been unconscious ever.
SO THE STORY ABOUT YOUR WAKING UP MUDDY AND WET AS YOU
SAID IN THE BBC VIDEOTAPE – YOU SAID, ‘I WAS LOOKING AT MY
SHADOW AND IT MOVED. AND THEN I BLACKED OUT.’ TO ME, THAT
WOULD BE GOING UNCONSCIOUS.
Right, but it’s not true! What was happening at that time, I didn’t know who I was
dealing with. I do know how things happen around this phenomena and how people
can be dishonest. I thought at the time the best way to talk about what I saw was to
talk about the incident of the ship.
The easiest way to omit an alien or any life form was to say I blacked out.<br />
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WHAT TROUBLES ME IS WHY WOULD I HAVE BEEN TOLD TO LISTEN
FOR LARRY WARREN’S STORY TO CHANGE?
I can assure you that I never intentionally – well, I did change the story and I did lie
intentionally twice. One time was to protect myself and one time was hoping that I
would be joined by more people and they could tell their underground experience. I
thought I paved the way because I thought if I said it secondhand - if there is
something to it, I don’t know. I could have been given misinformation about this and I
thought there is no way anyone is going to know.
Larry Warren Says He Did Not Black Out,
But Is Uncertain of Dates and Times
SO, YOUR SAYING YOU SAW THE SHADOW AND THEN BLACKED OUT
WAS YOUR FIRST LIE?
It was to protect me. I lied about the fact that I blacked out. But I was just not saying
what happened. Larry Fawcett thought I was lying about that and this was with the
BBC in October 1983. Fawcett in Clear Intent printed that and they knew well in
advance that wasn’t the way it was (that Larry did not black out).
I didn’t know if I wanted to take the ball and talk about aliens. I really didn’t. Talking
about spaceships was hard enough. People think you’re nuts.<br />
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OK, LET’S PICK UP WITH COL. GORDON WILLIAMS AND PEOPLE WITH
HIM IN YOUR HYPNOSIS SESSION WITH FRED MAX. I AM QUOTING
FROM THE TRANSCRIPT: ‘Col. Williams is there. Who is Col. Williams? The
commander. Is there anyone with him? Men are with him. You are all right near this
craft? Yes. Nobody is talking yet? Everyone is in groups. Do you hear helicopters
when they fly? Yes. Do you hear dogs barking in the distance? Yes.’
THEN THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND AND YOU
ARE SAYING, ‘… under it.’
FRED MAX ASKS, ‘What do you mean? People under what? The ship. How do you
know that? I see them. How many? There are four. Do they look like people? No.
What do they look like? Kids, small. How tall? They are in the air. Who is in the air?
They are. Independent of their craft? Yes. How are they doing that? I don’t know. Are
you scared? A little. Funny, there are three in front of Col. Williams and four in front
of us.’
LARRY WARREN: That means there were seven alien beings there? No, no! Then I
was lying for some reason. That’s not true.<br />
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UNLESS IT WAS AN IMAGE THAT YOU HAD AND NOW YOU ARE
REPRESSING WHAT HAPPENED?
That’s not true. If I said that, then I lied for some reason (in Fred Max hypnosis). </div>
Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-40680522926723914462019-09-28T14:11:00.001+01:002019-10-08T08:14:55.933+01:00Proof that Warren & Co wants me dead and he wants YOU to kill me, The makers of the Capel Green film support his behaviour.<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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5 days ago (Sept 2019) I was sent a series of screenshots from a group called RAF BENTWATERS UFO Incidents 1980 Pass The Napalm. Lawrence Warren/Larry is a Moderator in this group and is the person posting about me inciting violence, something he has done all along. The Admin is Tino Megaro and the other Moderator is the Facebook Page for the film Capel Green.<br />
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As I have said before, attempts to complain to Police in the past were pointless. They refused to get involved, in fact they totally lied and said they had investigated what was happening and said there were no crimes committed which is interesting seeing as they didn't once take a statement from me so what were they investigating exactly?<br />
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With Warren saying that his ex wife's brother is in the Firearms Division of Merseyside Police, I believe this is why they didn't act. Also Gary Heseltine is an Ex Police officer. I have reported the latest posts to the police but I am still waiting for them to visit me. I am writing this because I do not think I will get a fair hearing again and I believe my family are in very real danger.<br />
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Yesterday Gary Heseltines wife Lynne, posted something about a comment that was made on Facebook by someone else which I had 'liked'. The comment was something along the lines of never having to kick a coppers back door in before. this is a joke because Gary Heseltines ex told someone some very unsavoury things about Gary and his ''backdoor'' habits.<br />
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What did Lynne do? She turned it into a drama about someone actually going to kick their house door in. They KNOW this isn't what was meant but after what Larry Warren has said about me recently they really need to do some counter damage to me. As if they haven't tried hard enough already.<br />
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So this is what Lynne Heseltine has to say about me defending myself against their accusations and dangerous games they play with my life.<br />
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You want to know why I moved to Liverpool Malky?<br />
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This is why I moved to Liverpool, you couldn't live up to one of his turds.<br />
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I posted the screenshots of Larry Warren's comments about me on my Facebook page, they reported them and I got a 30 day ban. I get a 30 day ban for the things Warren has said about me? Okay then... This is my reaction.<br />
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Below are the more recent screenshots and then after that some of the things that have been said in the past few years.<br />
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These are screenshots of things that have been said about me all along. You know, if I am wrong about Warren and the things I am highlighting that other people have said about him in their books about their own personal dealings with him are wrong, why don't they just present the evidence instead of trying to incite YOU to MURDER ME.<br />
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WHAT DOES RUN OUT OF LIFE AND RUN OUT OF BLOOD MEAN IF IT DOESN'T MEAN WE NEED TO BE MURDERED?<br />
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Malky Smithson seems to think he knows a lot about my life. Let me tell you about his. He plays virtual trains and lives at home with his mum. when the police went to have a word with him for threatening me via Mick Sayer and telling me to go kill myself, his mum chased him about with a magazine hitting him with it, ripped the router out of the wall and shouted at him.<br />
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The police refused to look at any of the screenshots, they did nothing about it. Then when Bradford Police asked Merseyside Police to take a statement so they could arrest Malky Smithson a WPC turned up at my home and shouted at me for 40 minutes. Shouted at me for wanting to report the fact that Larry Warren had given Malky Smithson my home address and was then using it to terrorise me through people I only knew on Facebook. Mick wasn't a personal friend of mine, at that time I had never met him, I only knew him on Facebook.<br />
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So they are handing out my address and inciting violence against me. They are lying and saying I am a threat to them and the irony of Malky Smithson telling Lynne Heseltine to beef up their security is wild. He thinks he can diagnose a psychiatric disorder and says I already know what a straight jacket and an asylum is because I have been an inmate and I need to be sectioned again. <br />
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I have NEVER been sectioned. There are no such things as asylums and i certainly have not been in a straight jacket. .<br />
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So I want you all to know this. Once upon a time I was an idiot. I believed Larry Warren. I believed that the official story of the 7/7 attacks wasn't true and I couldn't get my head around the fact those people were radicalised. I used to see them often at my neighbours house. There was a 3 foot wall separating our gardens, my neighbours kids and my kids played together. One of the bombers lived opposite me. If you have ever seen someone doing good work in the community, you know those people who do good things..? Yes? Well that is what they did and so no I couldn't and didn't believe it.<br />
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I also didn't believe the 9/11 Twin towers story either, I didn't believe that something so massive could be pulled off without a single person knowing about it. you know what? MILLIONS of people feel that way about 9/11 and 7/7. do they deserve to be hated upon and murdered for those beliefs? NO!<br />
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This past three years have taught me a lot about myself and one of those lessons was that I used to believe whatever I wanted to believe. I did biased research and came up with biased opinions. Something a lot of people do without consequence.<br />
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the makers of Capel Green want you to believe that I spend all day trolling all of the witnesses. Lori Rehdfelt complains that no one has had to put up with what they have.... Nobody has said a damned thing to or about Lori but she has plenty to say about me.<br />
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I have said all along this isn't about Capel Green, it isn't about Gary Heseltine of any of the other witnesses. It is about the many lies of Larry warren. The lies I have shown you in his OWN WORDS.<br />
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So i want you to know that Larry Warren and the Capel Green crew want me so broken i can't speak and larry Warren wants me dead. He wants you to get mad at me for believing 9 years agho that the bombers were patsies and I want you to know that if anything happens to myself, my partner and my children that it is a direct result of the things Larry Warren and Malky Smithson have said about me.<br />
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They hand out my homne address while inciting hatred and violence in their group RAF Bentwaters UFO Incidents 1980 Pass The Napalm and also the things he has said to people privately and those people live in Liverpool. I live in Liverpool and Warren lives in Liverpool. *It is only a matter of time before someone kills me.<br />
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Yet Lynne Heseltine thinks she is the one in danger and is trying to paint me to be a terrorist as well as Warren, although due to the style of the post, I actually believe Gary Heseltine Wrote it and I do not believe Warren wrote this because of his posts in the past. he can't type or spell.<br />
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If anything happens to my family it is Larry Warren's statements that lead to the attacks. We are in very real danger.<br />
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These are hate crimes, malicious communications and harassment. what I have been saying is all true, the truth is NEVER libel. They know they can't win that argument so I have to be silenced.<br />
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Please contact the police in Merseyside to express your concerns or just sit back and watch me be murdered.<br />
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<a href="https://www.merseyside.police.uk/contact-us">Merseyside Police contact details</a><br />
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Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-5598640507494406962019-09-24T18:26:00.000+01:002019-10-08T16:21:04.586+01:00A Concise Chronology of Evidences of The Larry Warren Fraud. (With ongoing Updates)<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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The moment I realised Warren had taken Adrian Bustinza's narrative was when I listened to John Burroughs radio show 'Full Interview With Adrian Bustinza'. It was recorded December 2015. I listened to it in February 2016. My first blog was called <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2016/05/left-out-at-east-gate-truth-about.html">Left Out At East Gate</a>. As I listened I quickly understood that Warren really had taken Adrian Bustinza's account.<br />
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People say that Adrian fully supports Warren's narrative, those people do not know Warren's story well enough to say that, but I do. People also say that I never reference this show, that is because they have not read anything I have written, they do not know the chronology of events, they run on gossip and distorted whispers. Warren says he was with Adrian all night from 11.30pm to 4.30 am. Adrian says he saw Warren and left him in the field and went off with Col Halt.<br />
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Larry Warren is touted as the original Whistle Blower of the Rendlesham Forest Incidents. This is in fact not true. J.D Ingles was the original Whistle Blower, he was referred to as Steve Roberts in Skycrash which was published in 1984, written by Brenda Butler, Dot Street and Jenny Randles.<br />
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In the clip below Warren states that the A10 photo complete with UFO was taken on the 28th December 1980. The final night of events was the night of the 27th going into the 28th after midnight, everything was over and done with by the 28th. By his own claims, he was not on duty on the nights of any of the events.<br />
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John Burroughs stated on the 23rd September 2019 that Warren has said on John's Phenomenon Radio Show that Warren was on his first ever shift. Previously Warren has stated that he was on duty for two and a half weeks before the events. One has to wonder why he stated he was on his first ever shift. His first night shift? He possibly because his dates do not tally with the length of USAF training. I outline that and created a two hour recording of Warren telling different versions of events for my Radio show on Access North West Radio.<br />
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The three photos below are from the files of Barry Greenwood who is the author of the book Clear Intent and runs the organisation CAUS, Citizens Against UFO Secrecy. I was sent his files from Clear Intent and in them it stated quite clearly that these photographs were taken in 1985. Warren now denies this, Heseltine said Barry is old and probably confused. But the photo that Warren was flashing around had a UFO in it. It is the same photo as the one in the album, aside from the fact the one in the album is in colour and there isn't a UFO in it. At some point the UFO was added. The photo is fake.<br />
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Here is the collection of blogs I wrote about the A10.<br />
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<a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/01/larry-warrens-a10-ufo-photograph-is.html">Larry Warrens A10 UFO Photograph is Irrefutably a Genuine Fake.</a><br />
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If you read any of them then you will know that the A10 IS a fake, yet Warren claims I faked it when we were friends back in 2014, he somehow uploaded it to the Facebook group Bentwaters Back In The Day. I would like to know exactly how that could happen. Seeing as Warren wasn't staying at my house when this all allegedly transpired and I had not been to his flat in years.<br />
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Here is Warren stating once again that the photo is real. That Bruce Maccabee looked at it and said it was a legitimate photo of a UFO. The only version was digitised so how could he determine that without the full picture? It is my belief that Bruce took the photo on face value as no negatives exist.<br />
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These are the close ups of the fake A10 photo with UFOs. Interestingly these photos were uploaded to Warren's first Facebook page which suddenly vanished in a big fuss. He claimed he had been hacked, he had said this about a hundred times before. Every time he got wasted and went on his computer in the early hours of the morning he would go on epic rants then claim to have been hacked, someone said all that pretending to be him.<br />
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Warren accused myself or Dave of 'hacking' his Facebook account. If that was the case then all Warren had to do was show Facebook some ID and have it reactivated. He didn't do that, instead he kept going on about my partner Dave being a hacker, Warren and his associates were telling everyone Dave could hack into their computers via their Facebook accounts if he was on their Facebook friends list.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Found on my partners laptop in Warren's user account</td></tr>
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This is the original from the files of Barry Greenwood who provided the image without the plastic covering to Gary Heseltine. Even though the colour is dark, the original is a colour image.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Source: The Barry Greenwood files</td></tr>
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Warren then said he had found the original at his ex wife's house. Here they are in comparison.... The one we were all originally looking at was black and white, the original is in colour and has square edges, this one produced has rounded edges.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Source Youtube video. The original image is colour with sharp edges, the one Warren produced from his ex wife's house is black and white and rounded edges. </td></tr>
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Eventually it was agreed between Gary Heseltine and his cohorts that it was actually a fake, they set about blaming everyone else apart from Warren who was the person who uploaded the photo in the first place. Ben Emlyn Jones joined in and did some "analysis" of a photo I had uploaded from the files left on my partners computer by Warren when he was using it.<br />
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I had assumed the ring that can be seen was probably a coffee cup because Warren uses all kinds of techniques to age his forged evidence. You only have to look at his letter to his mother and the mess he has made around the edges of the first page. My five year old could have done a better job with tea bags.<br />
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<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhkOiGKHQgystEf_kMIXlIyP1KdAktrWhwIfhAzhCTOCAOpkXrijTGNcpGH1lon2VVcl74JgX3oMuQoZMLrpuL3sT3zYr557ASBAJoFOZ84FOelmVAE1fgNDrzLy9LL1bdoKhsu2c1WZUA/s1600/001+mums+letter.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="732" data-original-width="562" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhkOiGKHQgystEf_kMIXlIyP1KdAktrWhwIfhAzhCTOCAOpkXrijTGNcpGH1lon2VVcl74JgX3oMuQoZMLrpuL3sT3zYr557ASBAJoFOZ84FOelmVAE1fgNDrzLy9LL1bdoKhsu2c1WZUA/s400/001+mums+letter.JPG" width="306" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Weird how all the "splashes" are around the edge, not one goes anywhere else, </td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">If the letter was in the envelope, the letter would have (what looks like) oil staining the centre of the letter along to fold, or the top edge of the letter depending on how it was placed in the envelope. This suggests two separate incidences of accidental damage, one to the letter, one to the envelope. he says this is PROOF. I have more to say later one. They look anything but natural. IMO</td></tr>
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Image below... The "coffee cup ring" is actually the reflection of Larry Warren's Camera.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Source: Original was found on my partners laptop. Warren stayed with us for four months, my partner created an account for him on the laptop everyone used and allowed him to use it for the duration of his stay. </td></tr>
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This is how Ben determined this wasn't Larry Warren.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Source: One of Ben Emlyn Jones Blogs The Larry Warren controversy. </td></tr>
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Below... No match!<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Source Ben Emlyn Jones blog The Larry Warren controversy </td></tr>
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I took the photo and ran it through an app on my phone to change filters on it to enhance what was actually in the photo. This was the result.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">I filtered the image </td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Close up of Larry Warren's face and camera</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Larry Warren and the very same camera</td></tr>
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Once of Warren's friends, Ant French also did some analysis on other similar images I had found on the laptop and had uploaded for the public to see. He determined that they were looking for a man with short grey hair, a pointy nose, glasses with a chain on his wrist. Warren comes into the conversation and says it is me. They all just went with that like they have no brains or eyes to see what they actually saw in the first place. They just want to be friends with somebody significant, so they went with his lies.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Ant KNOWS he is looking at a man but then just fell apart when Warren said it was me. They all saw a man but then when Warren said it was me they accepted that because they didn't have the balls to say otherwise. </td></tr>
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On the back of the analysis of Ant French, Warren then announced they had definitive proof that I had manipulated the photo. So he is now admitting that is IS a fake, only he didn't fake it, it was me, that then developed into it was me or Nick Pope. After all, we are almost identical.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">The image above this one is allegedly PROOF that I messed with the image</td></tr>
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Here is the chain Warren wears, one that Ant French said they were looking for....<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">No balls and chain</td></tr>
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Once again, camera and chain....<br />
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You will have also heard him swear on his sons own head a few times that the photo was a real image of a UFO and one that was in his face that night. Well as I have said, nothing happened the night of the 28th. He swore in his son's head while lying.<br />
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Another photo I found on the laptop which Warren insists is me. If you look to the left at the wall you can see in the reflection in the background as he photographs the computer screen he is using, you will see some art work hung on the wall. The photos of his artwork were left on the laptop too. It is reversed due to it being a reflection.<br />
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This is one of Warren's paintings, I think it is supposed to be Jimi Hendrix. Whoever it is, it is hung on the wall in the images above.<br />
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Here is a photo collage of Warren based upon the image I found on the laptop who Warren insists is me and a photo of Warren taken in my home by either myself or Dave when he was showing us his stash of fake memorabilia.<br />
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Gary Heseltine made a statement to the effect that it was myself and Dave who had stolen Warren's photographs and have manipulated them. He really makes himself look foolish here. Warren had a user account on Dave's laptop. There were several user accounts on that laptop, the children had one, I had one. When Warren was using Dave's laptop he uploaded photos from his SD card onto his user account. I showed images of the properties so that people could see that the photos were in situ on Dave's computer and showed the EXIF data.<br />
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Gary Heseltine is accusing us of fraud. Gary Heseltine and Larry Warren both accuse me of setting Warren up. Well they should go to the Police with their evidence then shouldn't they? They should take me to court, if that is the case then they will win. Gary recently made a comment this week that one day we will feel the full weight of justice. I can not wait for the day they summon me to court. I really want them to get me in front of a judge so I can show threm my evidence.<br />
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On the night of the incidents, Warren says he was on duty on perimeter post 18 and had been on duty an hour when he was picked up and taken off by Adrian Bustinza. They set off and as Warren tells it, they were told to turn LEFT at East Gate. However, Bustinza says they were told to turn RIGHT at East Gate. Adrian does not say he went to pick Larry Warren up.<br />
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Bustinza also says that he went off with Colonel Halt and left Warren in the field after taking cameras from people. Also, if you knew the book left at East Gate you would recall a memory Warren has about the camera with the M on it, he says it looked expensive which is why he remembers it, Adrian Bustinza said the same thing. Adrian has the exact same memory, how can that be?<br />
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Bustinza said nothing about going onto Capel Green with Warren, he does not recount one single event that Warren wrote in LAEG, he also doesn't say he went with Warren in a car, was knocked out by gas, taken to an underground base and debriefed by a silhouette of a figure behind a screen.<br />
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Bustinza says he had to go into a room with several men who were all intimidating him and that the room was dark aside from a bright light shining in his face and the questioner was just a silhouette.<br />
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Note the silhouette. This is how he threads things together. I will dedicate time to explain the way he threads things together in the free ebook I am putting together.<br />
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Bustinza does not place himself with Warren at all until after Warren gets on the show and then he starts stumbling and sounding unsure while Warren asks Adrian if he remembers things. So for those of you saying Adrian Bustinza fully supports Warren's narrative because he said he saw him on the Phenomena Radio show in December 2015, you are wrong. He does not tell the same story at all.<br />
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Warren says the silhouette complimented him on his natural instinct for aggression, Bustinza said they told him bullets are a dime a dozen, they are cheap. he still has nightmares, it has affected him very deeply and he isn't up for Battle Royale. But I am and I have fully seen what Warren has done to that man, in full technicolour.<br />
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If you want to know why Adrian Bustinza hasn't set the record straight, just look at what is happening to me because I dared to collect the words of other people in the past. Gary Heseltine says this is all coming from one woman (me) and it is because I love Warren and I flipped. Adrian is also very obviously still terrified of the threats made in the debriefing as anyone would be.<br />
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Then there are the comments Adrian made after he appeared on John Burroughs radio show. (Dec 2015, Phenomenon Radio). Adrian Bustinza says he think Warren recorded him talking about the event because he can't understand how he remembered so much detail. He now says he doesn't remember seeing Larry out there, let alone have an entire hours long event with him on Capel Green.<br />
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In the clips below Warren says that he saw Col Halt out there wearing Aviator glasses, that John Burroughs was with him but was wearing civilian clothes. Warren then says he went off with Adrian Bustinza. However, Adrian Bustinza is heard on the Halt tape, Colonel Halt makes time markers on the tape which are for the early hours of the morning.<br />
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One of the things I said right back at the beginning of all this was that Warren told me various things he hadn't said before. He said to me one day that he had taken Adrian Bustinza's account and had absorbed it into his own, his reason was that the story needed to be told. He said he had talked to Adrian and they were "cool now". He vehemently denies saying this to me now but unfortunately for him, I am not the only person he has admitted that to. He told Linda Moulton Howe and Benton Jamieson the same thing during a taped conversation in 1986. He is also denying that ever took place now. He is basically saying that Howe and Jamieson fabricated the whole 48 page transcript. In fact every single person that has called him out is a liar according to Warren.<br />
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Again, unfortunately for Warren I still have the emails I sent to Linda at the request of Larry Warren. He says "First let me thank Linda for finding the tape" and clearly states that he has asked me to act as go between. He even responded to part one.<br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">First let me thank Linda for finding the tape, as it will give me the opportunity to correct some long standing falsehoods about myself. Please forgive the fact that I am not very good with computers and am better suited to speaking to people than typing to them.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">The tape was recorded in New Haven Connecticut , in 1986, and as I’ve discussed with Linda, I remember the day in rather good detail considering its over 25 years ago.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">I will respond in the best order I can but again, the reader will have to read Linda’s write up to see what I’m referring to. Again, this forum is not one of my strengths.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">By the time of this recording, I’d been public with Rendlesham for over 3 years, and had been interviewed by numerous UFO researchers. The halt memo, and tape were long in the public arena and CNN’s special assignment, UFO THE BENTWATERS INCIDENT {recorded in fall 1984, 1st aired feb 1985} was over a year old. 1986 was a transition year for me, my account, or another author’s version of it!</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";"> 1986 was the year that Whitley Strieber told me to write my own book, to set the record straight and also to stop the intentional or unintentional misrepresentation of my experience {not story!} at Bentwaters. That year I named that unwritten book, and started working on early drafts, the next year Peter Robbins joined me on a 9 plus year quest to set the record right with regard to my role in the events, that quest became the book Left at East Gate, and that’s the title I came up with in 1986. Peter Robbins and I are both very proud of that book, though we would never claim it’s a definitive account by any means!</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">I have known Linda for many years and we have been featured speakers together at many UFO conferences in the USA in the late 80s and 90s. The last time we met, my ex wife Linda and I had the honour of having dinner with Dr Edgar Mitchell, an honour indeed! My point on this bit of background is simple, I want to establish that Linda and I go back a long way, also to show that my memory is still intact.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">I’d like to make a few points.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">1) Malcolm Zigler, a major at the time, was chief of the SPS, he was not my shift commander, that was Bob Ball. This I would know in 1986 or 1980 for that matter. Further more, Carl Drury was the assistant chief of SPS."</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">2)Lt Tamplin is not the person I saw upset in the forest, she was an LE , she was black and a woman. She stood out in the SPS for those reasons, I never saw a woman in the woods, the person upset was a male, and Bob Ball talked to him. I never said a medic attended to anyone, that is English speak, and invented by the British TABLOID News of the world, the quote is not an actual statement I made. I only spoke to the reporter for 5 minutes on the phone in 1983. The events in the woods as I saw them, in my own words can be found in the book.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">3) I’ve never said that lightalls powered cameras, nor would they be used for that purpose. The lightalls did not function on site, see LAEG.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">4) The October 1983 newspaper reference in the report is in fact the British tabloid, News of the World, and not a New York paper.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">5) The ground fog, referred to in the report was not a craft! I’ve never said it was.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">It was a defined mist that was on the ground, and not above it! See other descriptions of this in LAEG.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">6) One Night or Three? As I’ve always stated, I was involved in this after xmas but before new years.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">1980, Lt Englund and Sgt Bustinza picked me up in a pickup truck, this would be halts night, I never saw Tamplin, further I would have known for years by 86, that the events were on more than one night just by reading the Halt memo, I was only involved on one night! What was the context of your question? Also I don’t recall Pennistion out there as well, as he was not, john was, and off duty, I saw him and this has been covered by me with both halt and john.P6 ART “effing” Wallace, created by Barry Greenwood, cause I didn’t want my real name used until others came forward. I never introduced myself to anyone as Art Wallace, it was used in the UK to sell papers, and even in Japan the TV people got mad because I wouldn’t let them call me that name. They said the Japanese people liked mystery! I said tough shit!! see LAEG.P7 Adrian Bustinza has indeed spoken on the record! He was first interviewed by Larry Fawcett, via phone on April 20 1984. The transcript was published for the first time in Left at east gate (see p139). He was later interviewed by Ray Boeche and Scott Colbern. (see LAEG.P8 on page 217 of our book). Col Halt backs up how I got to the forest, my description of that nights weather, etc. He only questions my reason for discharge. (P9) Bill Moore and the dissinfo etc. On the tape you say that the atc on Woodbridge describes the creatures, aliens, beings whatever, as having tails like a devil. I say twice that is not what I saw. It is correct that no one asked or told</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">me to disinfo the case, that came later and is covered in the book, by the way, I declined! As for Moore , I was around the scene when he was in D.C. He pulled me aside and said he saw my file and that he knew I worked for the feds etc. He said it was ok as he did too! Show me the file I said, and he never did. Is it not true that later he said he was feeding ufo info to the spooks? man that guy got a lot of airtime in the ufo world. Personally I thought the guy was full of it. You know, I once met a guy at a conference that told me that star trek (the original series) was real and he was an officer on the enterprise as well, just like Moore , full of it. However, the latter might have been crazy as a shithouse rat on top of it.P10</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">I never mixed Adrian’s experience with mine, to protect him, when he put that underground thing on me alone, to Fawcett back in 84 I felt a little let down, so until I did the book I withdrew from that and put it back on him. Also, all we agreed to do that night in 81 was to get the thing out to the public, that ended up being me.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">The book was designed to get responses from others and in it, I had to lay it all on the table, for better or worse. Further to the spook stuff I can say that the Russians, and MOSSAD have had an interest in this affair. Unnerving.(P11) The stuff about my family is dead right!(P12)Jimmy Carter was not on the base at all although I was told the pres, knew about Bentwaters, more like incoming vp Bush sr, the carter thing comes from my problem of starting a sentence and then skipping to another subject. This is due to a head injury I sustained in 1984 and its weird to see that happen in a transcript, I saw Carter that year ‘86 at central Connecticut state university, and that was what I was going to say. All that know me know I have that issue, so sorry folks, no Jimmy Carter in the underground base! Well Linda I’m sure I’ve missed something or other, my book is my statement, there are errors in it but it’s the best I can do. Please remember that the tabloid News of the world is a rag, the quotes attributed to me, Halt and Williams were invented to sell papers, that is one of my biggest regrets with this thing is when CAUSE sent the halt memo to the UK to help certain researchers out, it was sold on to that paper for 25000 pounds by a lawyer, cause and myself had nothing to do with it and it put the case on shit street right out of the gate, those quotes ARE NOT MINE, and use words only English people use! I know as I live in England , don’t believe any of that coverage from 83 its crap and sensationalized an event that didn’t need it. I hope they spent the money well? One last thing, Linda as you know, I know that you have no ill will towards me, and now we go back to intentional misrepresentation of me and un intentional misrepresentation, lets take a look at science writer Ian Ridpath’s website, where he uses a letter I wrote home to my mother trying to fill in the phone conversation with her about the ufo that I got cut off on. I try to be a bit James Bond and identify myself as a guy I know on D flight. Also I end the letter with this, “Ma, I will tell you the whole thing on the ufo , I cant in the mail cause they read it!” Ian uses another sighting of lights earlier that night to match his lighthouse, stars, satellites theory and omits key points in my letter, intentional? I think so, with Malice? I think not. That letter predates Col Halts by a week by the way, so if I’m lying, my mom was my first mark , think about it people. Now for state sponsored this, and this wont win me some buddies but I got plenty thanks, this is part of an email that was sent to Peter Robbins in late 1999, Peter sent it on to me and this is it;</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">“Peter, great news, signed off on the book deal, nice advance too, please let Larry know that my research has completely backed up his story! Love Georgina .”</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM SEE A PROBLEM? </span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">As that person sadly passed away not long ago and cant defend the above book, although in life she declined my wishes to defend my points in her book, I will end with a very good quote she often used,</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">Thanks Linda, bring on part 2</span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2228; font-family: "century schoolbook";">All the best!</span><br />
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Below is a screenshot from one of Linda's pages on <a href="https://www.earthfiles.com/">her website earthfiles.com</a> which she included in the emails she sent. He says he was telling Adrian Bustinzas account as if it were first hand but in fact it was second hand. If you read the <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-1986-transcript-of-conversation.html">transcript</a> he says a lot more on the matter. he actually says some pretty wild things, he tells Linda and Ben that if it all turns out to be untrue, it is because Adrian lied to him. In this screenshot he tells her that he combined their stories, which is exactly what he told me and what I said right at the start of all of this.<br />
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In the segment you just heard, Adrian Bustinza tells a lengthy account of the things said to him in the interrogation. One of those things was that if anyone asks him what they saw, he was to say he saw a lighthouse. They repeated over and over again, you saw a lighthouse. Ian Ridpath said once, very many years ago, that part of what they saw was a lighthouse. Warren is the only person keeping that alive. There are other reasons why the lighthouse is significant as you have heard. What Warren says below is absurd but it highlights the gross exaggerations he makes.<br />
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Below in this segment of <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNuu92gC7qM&list=PLBvb7Gk6XpLkS0OC9Q0tM2rCboHNT552L&index=63&t=1234s">the Earth Mystery News conference in Toronto 2017</a> Warren states that the statement "Bullets are cheap" was said to him. He says he has heard it attributed to other people, but it was said to him. If you have read Left At East Gate you will know that Warren claims to have had a very long experience underground, under the base. he says the bases can be made to vanish with the technology they (aliens) have. He devotes and entire chapter to the underground debriefing where they tell him all about the UFO situation, show him and many others, footage of UFOs, all of which he explains in great detail in the LMH <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-1986-transcript-of-conversation.html">transcript</a>. Adrian's account is absolutely nothing like it. Warren says that Adrian was with him but then was taken out. Why doesn't Adrian say that when he is talking to John on the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni-Z5tniKbs&list=PLBvb7Gk6XpLkS0OC9Q0tM2rCboHNT552L&index=20">Phenomenon radio show?</a>?<br />
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In You Can't Tell The People written by <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Cant-Tell-People-Definitive/dp/033039021X">Georgina Bruni</a>, Adrian Bustinza recounts his interrogation, in this screenshot below he wonders where his superiors are, he says "Why am I going through this alone"?. This further illustrates the fact Adrian Bustinza was brutally interrogated, he was terrified and nobody was telling him lots of secrets about UFOs, no one was showing him footage of UFOs, in fact they threatened him and told him to remember a lighthouse. Nobody complimented Bustinza on his natural instinct for aggression either. They terrified him out of his wits, PERMANENTLY.<br />
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Below is a short excerpt from Left Out At East Gate where Warren describes not being able to look around, only ahead and at a silhouette of somebody he couldn't see the features. Sound familiar?<br />
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In 1994 Larry Warren and Peter Robbins came to the UK for the very first time, to speak together. They spoke at the UFO interest and investigation group EMUFORA, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcXH43vRKTg&list=PLBvb7Gk6XpLkS0OC9Q0tM2rCboHNT552L&index=76">See full video here</a>. There is a lot to dismantle in that video, it is almost three hours long. Below is a segment where Warren tells the audience about when he was deployed to Egypt with Bustinza, Warren says he took this photo of Adrian.<br />
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He says that the photograph Warren is showing was given to Warren by Bustinza, and that Warren was not deployed to Egypt with him. This is another example of Adrian Bustinza not supporting Larry Warren.<br />
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Below is a segment of the LMH/BJ transcript where Warren tells Linda when they were deployed to Egypt and that Adrian first told him about the events when they got back from Egypt, three months after they had happened.<br />
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Below is a segment of the Phenomenon Radio Show where Adrian says he put the note under Warren's door the day after events, not when they got back from Egypt, three months later. Warren didn't go to Egypt.<br />
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Warren first came out as a person called <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/05/art-wallace-testimony.html">Art Wallace (original statement in this link)</a>, this is how he was referred to by Larry Fawcett who Warren says gave him the pseudonym. In this image below Warren is talking to Brenda Butler, Dot Street and Jenny Randles who wrote the book Skycrash.<br />
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Below is an excerpt from Skycrash. Warren said he felt a presence, he did not see any aliens.<br />
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Here he is saying that a conversation took place between the Base Commander and the aliens he didn't see, the Base Commander even shook one of their hands. Warren says he learned from everyone involved, they were on the ground, outside the craft, but he doesn't remember seeing them. Nobody else says they saw any aliens. Only Warren says this, everyone else saw lights apart from Jim Penniston who saw an object or craft on the ground. Nothing landed, nothing crashed, it was found where it was, on the ground.<br />
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Warren then goes to see a psychologist called Fred Max who uses hypnosis to regress Warren. While he is hypnotised Warren remembers seeing three (aliens) with large heads and big black cat like eyes.<br />
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While under hypnosis with Fred Max he also remembers the underground base where he was picked up by a big black car with dark glass windows and that he felt as if he was drugged.<br />
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The hypnosis session was conducted by Fred Max. <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2018/02/hypnosis-session-october-17-1983.html">Full transcript here. </a><br />
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In the book You Can't Tell The People, Georgina Bruni wonders why there is no mention of Fred Max in the book left at East gate.<br />
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Georgina contacted Peter Robbins, Co Author of Left at East Gate and asks him why.<br />
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As you have just read. The reason why the hypnosis session was not included in Left at East Gate is because Warren had faked it. So the first time he recalls the aliens and the underground base is when he is faking hypnosis, he says he did that because he was told "it better be good".<br />
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Interestingly, even though Larry Warren was pretending to be hypnotised and was in fact lying, he has admitted he took Adrian's account, he passed a Voice Stress Analysis while lying.<br />
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<b><u>Adrian Did Not See Larry Out There</u></b><br />
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Sometime after the December 2015 Phenomenon Radio Show Adrian was having a conversation with John Burroughs in a Facebook group I have never been a member of. Adrian says he doesn't remember seeing Warren out there. He also states that he thinks Warren must have recorded him talking because he remembers a lot of what Adrian had told Warren.<br />
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When Warren saw or heard about these comments of Adrian Bustinza's he wrote a public statement which I believe was supposed to be called "Open Letter" but it ended up being called Opened Lettuce to Christie & Co. Read <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/05/on-first-of-may-2017-larry-warren.html">here</a>. He says that he thinks I falsified the comments. Like I said, they were made in a Facebook group to John Burroughs and I have not even once been in that group.<br />
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Adrian Bustinza definitely said those things but Warren wants you to believe that I am evil and that this is all an elaborate set up, because I love him, something Gary Heseltine, Editor and Chief of UFO Truth Magazine, UFO Truth Conferences and Lead researcher of The Capel Green film echoes.<br />
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Gary Heseltine says there is no evidence that Warren has lied and this information is all coming from one woman (me) and that I have flipped because I am infatuated. As you can clearly see none of that is true. Larry Warren has lied many times and the information comes from many people over many years.<br />
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Below is a clip from the MUFON 2010 conference in Phoenix. Here he is saying that he never said anything about the spaceship needing fixing, nobody shook hands and nothing happened in an underground base. He states "Because I never said it"<br />
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Below is a segment from the book Skycrash, he told them that the craft was damaged and needed repairs. Also in LAEG he states Wing Commander Gordon Williams was out there and interacted with the 'non human entities' and chapter three of Left at East gate is called "Underground" and is all about the debriefing underground with telepathy etc.<br />
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Below are the aliens Warren drew for Larry Fawcett and Barry Greenwood for the book Clear Intent.<br />
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Even though he says he never said there was an underground base in that clip above, here are photo's Warren gave to Barry Greenwood and Larry Fawcett of what he says is the entrance to the underground base. He took these photos on his honeymoon with his first wife in 1985 and was when he took the A10 photo, even though he has changed the date of when he says that was taken. He more recently said it was taken in 1980 on the 28th December.<br />
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Once again, talking to Kieth Beiby from News Of The World about the underground facility. The very same story he says he took from Adrian Bustinza and combined with his but then remembered in a faked hypnosis session.<br />
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Below is a segment from the EMUFORA talk 1994. In this segment he said that he was told by the lawyer Colonel Persky, on Bentwaters, to steal his military documents. He shows some of his paperwork in this talk. I will break it down.<br />
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Below you can see the document that matches the one on screen. It is his processing instruction sheet.<br />
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This is the bottom half, not visible on the screen. However, as you can see, Lee Swain spelled his name incorrectly, twice, on the same sheet, in two different pens. In the Warren perspective video's he did with Tino Megaro (3 parts) he says HE wrote the bit in the bottom right. It is nothing important so why did Lee Swain sign it while spelling his name wrongly? For the second time on the same sheet... I don't know about you but I have never signed my name incorrectly.<br />
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Below is another segment of the 1994 EMUFORA talk Warren gave with Robbins. He explains about how he went to see a Dr Echols on the Lakenheath base. He says he went to see the Doctor because he was suffering with his eyes after the exposure to the phenomena. This is one of the documents he says he stole on the advice of the USAF Lawyer.<br />
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Below is a scan of Warren's original document. I cannot reveal who sent me this, it has notations regarding the tippex. Originally from Georgina Bruni's collection. As you can see it is covered in Tippex and the writing at the bottom is identical to that of the bottom right corner of the Lee/Lea Swain document.<br />
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Dr Echols is an Orthopaedic Dr. That means he deals with bones, not eyes. If he was an eye doctor he would be an Ophthalmic Dr. Also, Warren would never have been sent to Lakenheath for his eyes looking at as there was an Ophthalmic Dr on Bentwaters.<br />
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General Orthopaedics, NOT Ophthalmics. someone said the 'general' meant he was a General Practitioner. That is ludicrous.<br />
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On the Chuck De Caro Special Assignment <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WFPvMQsdnU">TV program</a> Warren stated the phenomena didn't injure them.<br />
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Here is a short clip of the CNN Special Assignment where he says they weren't injured by it<br />
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Here is a short clip of the Filey Talk where he says he was immediately injured by it<br />
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Below is the full CNN Special Assignment.<br />
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From a conversation that took place on a recent addition to the Warren clan, <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/09/mr-illuminaughty-and-nude-world-orders.html">Tim Acheson's</a> Facebook page. John Burroughs, a legitimate witness and the only person who was involved in more than one nights activity, said that Warren only started talking about eye damage when Burroughs started talking about eye damage. As you can see John states that Warren was on his way home from Germany (according to Warren in LAEG) on the night of the events and so couldn't have been involved.<br />
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On the 14th of July 2017 Steve LaPlume issued a <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/07/steve-laplume-issues-statement-his-time.html">statement</a> about his time on Bentwaters. He knew Warren, they were friends. There are a few things that Warren has said and done over the years, Steve outlines them in his statement. One of those things is that he remembered seeing Warren at Lakenheath the day he went for his appointment. Steve says that Warren complained of a problem with his wrist and was getting a medical discharge. Warren responded by calling Steve a liar. Read <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/07/steve-laplume-issues-statement-his-time.html">Steve's statement and Warren's response here </a><br />
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<b><u>Out on Separation</u></b><br />
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Below is another segment of the EMUFORA 1994 talk, he talks about a request for separation for breach of contract not doing job was trained for, this ties in with what Steve said in his statement. In this segment he rattles on and says "blah blah blah assessment passed and met" as he refers to the Williams document. He says Williams signed it which is out of the ordinary.<br />
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This is the document he showed on screen. As you can see it has not been signed at all. Colonel Charles Halt thinks this is a faked piece of evidence.<br />
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<b><u>The Pentagon </u></b><br />
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In Left at East Gate and also in the LMH/BJ transcript of the conversation, Warren makes a huge deal about him not being able to reenlist. It is a wild story.<br />
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Larry Warren: "Now, I’ve spoken to people in government and at the Pentagon. Everyone of them is aware of who I am. We had my military records drawn up from this place in St. Louis, Missouri, where they keep all the military records – even from my father’s days in the service.<br />
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They got them. My records are classified! They were in the Pentagon and then moved to the National Security Agency (NSA) in 1983. That’s where they are.<br />
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I was supposed to have a big board hearing – this is all documented and things that people don’t know and why I laugh when people say I’m full of shit.<br />
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We organised the meeting at the Pentagon and I was supposed to have a hearing with the whole board of the Surgeon General and everybody because of my situation.<br />
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There were Congressmen – I had three of them, Toby Moffett, Lowell Weicker and the Gov. of Connecticut O’Neill sent a letter and finally I got some action.<br />
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I had a hearing.<br />
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This Pentagon board meeting was called with senators invited as well.<br />
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They could not get my military records because this is when I found out they had been moved from St. Louis to the Pentagon for review and now they were permanently at the NSA.<br />
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I got a letter stating that. And I didn’t even know what the NSA was then, but I found out it was the National Security Agency (in Ft. Meade, Maryland).<br />
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I called the NSA.<br />
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They said, ‘Mr. Warren, we have no record of your military service.’<br />
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I called back to St. Louis and there was a time when the U. S. Air Force was denying I had ever served!<br />
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I called the FBI and have people outside of the UFO community that have worked with me on this including senators that know exactly what is going on and know what has happened to me because they have seen proof and evidence of it.<br />
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They said, ‘There is so much security on you, you’re so highly classified with your records and all, they will do anything to keep you out (of re-enlisting in the USAF). They said, ‘But they can ruin your professional life, too.’<br />
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Now, I worked for a television network here in Connecticut during an internship when I was in school finishing up. I’ve done commercials.<br />
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I’ve copy written for United Airlines. I’ve been somewhat successful.<br />
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Channel 10 here in Connecticut, I’ve done commercials, and I’ve taught at the Connecticut School of Broadcasting courses in copywriting twice a month. [Sacha Edit. In the Tino Megaro Larry Warren Replies, he states he worked for Charlie Comer (Lennon's publicist) while he was at Connecticut Broadcasting school and then went on to work in Recording Studios and became Stevie Ray Vaughan's Tour Publicist and worked for Atlantic Records for 20 years)]<br />
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Doing alright for 25-years-old.<br />
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And I keep the RAF Bentwaters incident away from my professional life.<br />
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Some people saw the CNN special (reported by Chuck De Caro) and I was told to stop doing this (participating in interviews).<br />
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By my boss at the TV station. He said he didn’t want controversy.<br />
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Word came down from the NBC network not to do any story on Bentwaters. And I don’t know if I remember the incident exactly – or the way I want to remember at times.<br />
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I’d have to sit down with a psychologist who believes in UFOs to sort it out. I probably need one in certain aspects. I’ve grown up with this essentially!<br />
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I called down to Randolph AFB, Texas, and I talked to a captain. I was pursuing my records.<br />
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He said I was involved in something that happened at RAF Bentwaters in 1980. ‘I know what you are talking about.’ He said that to me just like that.<br />
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He goes, ‘It would not surprise me if you have some problems.’<br />
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I told him I had been having problems for two years.<br />
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He said, ‘I’ll have someone call you back.’ And I got a call back from a Tech Sergeant Green and he sounded black.<br />
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He said, ‘Mr. Warren, I’ve been speaking to captain so-and-so and I’m to relay this to you that there is the possibility you might be able to re-enlist in the military if you stop talking about what you are talking about. I have no idea what this means; maybe you do?’<br />
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I said, ‘Yes, I sure do!’<br />
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And he said, ‘Thank you very much. If you have any more problems, please contact us, but that’s a word of advice I was told to tell you.’<br />
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He states was told if you stop talking about the incidents you can re enlist! Ridiculous.<br />
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Here is a letter from the Surgeon General which explains adequately that Warren was discharged because he had a congenital issue with his elbow, he couldn't straighten it. No great big conspiracy, unless you want to believe that he rallied all those important people to a meeting at The Pentagon over him getting into the Military.<br />
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He claims in the conversation he had with LMH/BJ that his records were snaffled off by the NSA. He says in LAEG they were snaffled off by the CIA. I applied for his basic records using FOIA. I got a reply. His documents were there, they are available, all he has to do is apply for them, or give someone else permission to apply for them.<br />
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Even though he was only in the USAF from his first day of training in August 1980 and he was discharged on the 15th May 1981, he says to LMH/BJ that he got five awards in his first year. At this stage of developments he was lying about the length of time he served. He was in the USAF for only 9 months and was discharged as undesirable or unsuitable. I find it astonishing that in all these years, I am the only person to have applied for his records and that everyone just took his word for it. Read this <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/06/successful-foia-request-for-larry.html">blog</a> for the full story.<br />
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Warren actually issued a statement admitting that his documents were tampered with but that I had tampered with them and uploaded them to the net or Peter Robbins had. We asked him to show us where they were messed with but he refused. <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/05/larry-warrens-military-records-are.html">Read about that here.</a><br />
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Below is a little reminder that he passed a VSA while lying. In the video below that, he tells Colonel Halt in Washington DC that he passed three VSAs which had been arranged by Larry Fawcett. Fawcett and Greenwood wrote Clear Intent and had dismissed Warren as a liar.<br />
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Below is a letter from Walt Andrus of MUFON to Phil Klass who was a hardened debunker. Phil had offered to pay half of the fees for a polygraph test for Warren. Walt declined the offer due to the fact that Warren has failed a VSA. The letter was from Walt Andrus and included Larry Fawcett, Chuck De Caro and Marge Christensen. If Fawcett knew Warren had failed the VSA then he would not be arranging three through Connecticut Police which Warren says he passed. Why three? One would suffice.<br />
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<b><u>Adrian Bustinza Thanked Me</u></b><br />
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In another Facebook conversation on John Burroughs page, I made some comments about Warren's account being the same as Adrian's. Adrian wrote this;<br />
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"Sacha and Nigel, I appreciate your interest, support and research. You've definitely been listening with an open mind and surely have a lot of questions.<br />
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However the very reason I have stayed a distance is because it hasn't gone away! And it probably never will!!!<br />
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I still get phone calls form unlisted numbers and private numbers who I can't identify because I don't know who they are. The Gov?<br />
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Who knows; but I know sometime soon I with John after I am able to sit down face to face with John again will come forward to face the critics who have no earthly idea of what rigorous interrogations took place and what they tried to do to us. Some people want the limelight then there are those of us who just want to know why???<br />
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I am a USAF veteran who served whole heartily, and still believes in what Our nations stands for!<br />
Ronnie has been very understanding along with John and supportive of keeping my distance.<br />
Reason being is because some of us out there want Glory and they don't experience what John and I have for the past 35 years which has been denial, nightmares, health issues critics and most of all lies and deception from our own brothers only to have the truth surface through others like yourself that have taken time to listen!!!<br />
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Our own brothers hell bent on taking ownership and and credit for something that others experience, but can't give details! It's just outright disgusting!<br />
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I don't say much but I can assure you of one thing ands that is I have nothing to say except the truth and that's how it will always be.<br />
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So many witnesses won't come forth!!! do you blame them???"<br />
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In the screenshot below Warren is saying that Larry Fawcett no longer believes him to Dot Street in a recorded conversation that Georgina Bruni quotes, Dot played her the tape of Warren saying the underground thing didn't happen to him.<br />
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Below is an excerpt from the LMH/BJ transcript. Warren is saying he has erased the underground stuff forever and that he didn't even see those space things. He also says Bustinza denied the Underground thing ever happened.<br />
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I really need to make a full and proper comparison of Adrian Bustinza's recollections to Larry Warren's. I will do that and place it here in a future edit. There are very many more issues to highlight.<br />
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On top of Warren's UFO claims he also claims to be a friend to the rich and famous. He says he worked in the music biz and was a big hitter.<br />
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<b><u>Metallica</u></b><br />
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In 2015 at the Flying Saucers Have Landed Conference in Filey Warren said in a very bored voice that he had co-signed the mega band Metallica with his friend Richard. This was a wild claim, he sounded so bored when he said it. He said he co-signed the band Metallica, got paid half a million dollars finders fee, that he was Artist Coordinator for Atlantic Records 40th Birthday party at Maddison Square Gardens.<br />
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He says it in such a way you have to pull the needle off the record and say wait.. what? Artist coordinator for Atlantic Records Maddison Square Gardens event??? Lets take a look at that gig.<br />
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<a href="https://www.rhino.com/article/this-day-in-88-atlantic-records-40th-anniversary">Atlantic Records 40th Birthday Maddison Square Gardens 1988</a><br />
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Obviously I called him out on this. He put up a couple of Facebook posts reiterating that he really had done these things.<br />
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In the clip below you will hear him rattle off that he and Rich Carleson signed Metallica and that he got the $500,000 finder fee. Half a million EACH for signing a band you are trying to make famous?<br />
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In this clip Tino Megaro asks Warren to explain his comments about Metallica because obviously he didn't sign Metallica. It takes him four minutes to tell the story because he does anything but tell the story and says he was joking. He didn't sound like he was cracking a joke in the first clip. He sounds rather bored with it all.<br />
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A very basic Google search reveals the truth. Michael Alago signed Metallica. There is even a movie on Netflix about him signing Metallica. Not one mention of a man called Larry Warren or Richard Carleson in any of it. His entire story is a lie.<br />
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In 2016 I created three files, they are a huge collection of Larry Warren's memorabilia items and sales. Because he left the images on Dave's laptop, I could do reverse image Google searches. I quickly found several items. How did this start? He sold a sketch he claimed was drawn by John Lennon for £10,000 to Russ Kellet. Warren started making claims that he was a Beatles Authenticator.<br />
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<a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/05/my-experience-of-larry-warren-document.html">File 1) My Experience Of Larry Warren. Online Version</a><br />
<a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/05/larry-warren-auction-items.html">File 2) Larry Warren's Auction Items Document. Online Version</a><br />
<a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/05/larry-warren-auction-sales-document-3.html">File 3) Larry Warren's Auction Sales. Online Version</a><br />
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Since completing these documents in 2016 there have been many more sales attempts. I will be cataloguing those items in another document.<br />
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Warren told everyone May Pang gave the Lennon UFO sketch to him when they were in a relationship together. In Facebook comments to Russ Kellet Warren stated that Lennon had done at least four more sketches. The sale of this sketch was highlighted in the online news outlet Wales online. I knew where that sketch had come from because I saw it in my house, I had held it in my hand one day when Warren was going through his very many items of memorabilia. May pang, when contacted, said she hadn't given or sold Warren any of John's items, nor would she.<br />
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Warren then put this photo on his Facebook page. Said he met John in Cafe Fortuna two days before he flew to the UK. In LAEG he says his mum drove him to the airport. The new story is that his flight was delayed for two days and he just managed to get to hang out with John Lennon. Because John died just a week later, we are meant to believe that this meeting with John was so profound, so deep and meaningful to John Lennon that when he died Warren inherited most of his belongings all with permission to sell them.<br />
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We are also supposed to believe that John Lennon's uncle Charlie gave Warren many items of John's, again, all with letters of authentication and permission letters to sell. Charlie Lennon died in Liverpool a poor man. Why on Earth would he even have any of John's items? Yoko Ono has them all. But if Warren's claims are true, he took all of those valuable items from Charlie Lennon and let the man die in poverty. In 2013 a letter written by Charlie to John asking for money was auctioned.<br />
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Also, it seems that Larry Warren, Charlie Lennon, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Renez Martinez all misspell the word during. They ALL spell it "durring"<br />
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His only evidence is this badly constructed 'photo' of the two of them together. Warren claims to be 19 in this photo.<br />
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Below he makes a comment about how they met and where they met.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Warren said this photo was taken on the 28th November 1980 but John Wore this outfit and was out with his Wife, original photo was taken in August</td></tr>
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I was sent some photographs by Larry Warren's ex girlfriend Cookie. This is what he looked like when he was 19.<br />
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A comparison so you can see how ridiculous that claim is. He is at least forty years old in the 'photo' with John.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">John Lennon was out with his wife Yoko Ono when the image was taken. Warren was in Texas training. </td></tr>
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This was the start of my hunt for his lies. I now knew what kind of person I had befriended. Many lies were told by everyone. In the screenshot below Malky Smithson says I created the image with Larry for a laugh and Malky knows this because Warren's ex wife Sue McAllistair had told him so. It is very odd then that Warren would insist this photo is real. This photo was the straw that broke the camels back as far as Peter Robbins was concerned.<br />
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Peter Robbins asked Warren outright about this photo, thinking I had mocked up a Facebook page trying to make Warren look stupid. Warren said "The pict is real Pete". Please read <a href="http://peterrobbinsny.com/">Peter Robbins statement</a>.<br />
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Gary Heseltine says that Peter and anyone who believes me is under the influence of dark forces, that everyone is so weak willed and feeble minded they just believe me. I have incredible mind control abilities.<br />
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Also I would like to say at this point because of a comment Malky Smithson made in the screenshot below. The ONLY person to bring Warren's son into this is Larry Warren himself. He throws him in front of him as a shield. "You are attacking my son if you are attacking me". That is not true at all.<br />
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I have met his son several times and he is a very sweet boy. Not so much of a boy these days. This is not and has never been personal to anyone other than Larry Warren himself and he should leave his family out of it just as I do. This is nothing to do with family. HE is the one who swore on his son's head while lying and he is the one who says we are attacking his son. He said we threatened his family. The threat was a question. I explain further down this blog.<br />
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While looking for evidence of Warren's activities I found this article, he claims to have been a body guard when he met Lennon. He echoed this on the Ben Emlyn Jones <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/05/larry-warren-lies-show-transcript-of.html">HPANWO show 197 (transcript)</a> where he said he worked close protection security and that he is licensed by the British Government. That makes him sound like some kind of Liam Neeson in Taken character. The truth of the matter is, he has an SIA card because he worked on the door of a supermarket. <a href="https://www.postoffice.co.uk/identity/security-industry-authority-licence">How to get an SIA card</a><br />
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The hat and sunglasses discussed in the article below were sold for a pathetic £4000 each. A pair of John Lennon's reading glasses went for $1,000,000. The hat and glasses were on a website Rare and Signed, an auction run by Jason Cullen, he had them up for sale at £95,000 each. I am not saying Jason is a fraud, but that is one huge leap and I would be suspicious of anything of someone so famous, being sold for so little.<br />
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My advice to you after doing this research is do not buy anything from an auction house unless it is one of the huge houses that offer refunds if they sell something fake. The smaller Auction Houses are unfortunately enabling forgers, either wittingly or unwittingly. I have my suspicions about some of them. A smaller reputable dealer called Gary King also does his homework. Before you buy anything do lots of research and get assurances. Letters of authentication are often forged too. If you are unsure there is a <a href="https://live.autographmagazine.com/">forum</a> you can upload photographs too and they will tell you if there are problems with the item you are wanting to buy.<br />
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In this photo below Warren is sat on the UFO Monument in Rendlesham Forest. He is posing with an excellent forged Jimi Hendrix signature.<br />
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Here is a comparison of a real Jimi Hendrix signature with Warren's Hendrix signature.<br />
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When I pointed out that it was very accurate, Warren stated he had been taught handwriting analysis by the FBI. Phone calls reveal the FBI do not, and have never conducted any such course in New York City where the student would be taught how to forge signatures.<br />
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Alyson Dunlop of SPI Scotland and radio host of the show The ADX Files made some remarks about the graffiti on the monument. Dave Hodrien of Birmingham UFO Group said he would not condone permanent damage to the monument yet there are photographs of the entire group of people who went on a RFI Camping trip, on the monument, giving a middle finger.<br />
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Warren makes many claims about his life within the music industry. I can't quite figure out exactly what his role was in the industry. he was a Body Guard at one point, a Tour Publicist, a Record Producer, he Co Signed Metallica, best friends with Stevie Ray Vaughan who apparently went to his first wedding, John Lennon and Yoko Ono, he says he was PA to the Beach Boys. I could literally write a book about what he says about his adventures 'in the biz' as he calls it.<br />
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Tino Megaro interviewed Warren and uploaded the video on May 7th 2018. It is a series of questions and answers. Tino is addressing all the problems we have pointed out and Warren is answering them in order to clear all this silliness up. It doesn't clear anything up at all, in fact he just makes the stories bigger.<br />
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Tino asks Warren a very simple question. "What was your role within the Music Industry"?<br />
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Keep in mind that Gary Heseltine says that if there hasn't been a conviction then no crime has been committed. He says thee is NO evidence that Larry Warren has lied.<br />
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On the 19th of April 2018 I received a message from someone that changed everything. Previously, myself and a few others had tried to get Warren to have his stolen Military Documents analysed to see if they were authentic. He refused to do that, instead he went to a solicitor and spent a lot of money having Cease and Desist letters sent to us.<br />
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Ben Emlyn Jones was given copies of these letters and put them online for all to see, before they even arrived through our letter boxes. Read <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/02/gagging-order-fail-by-warren-shut-up.html">this blog for full details.</a> However, the letter was full of lies told to the solicitor by Warren, we all informed the Solicitor that Warren did not have a memorabilia business and the rest of the claims were also untrue. There is no sign of a business. He claimed I had been trying to damage his memorabilia business for a total of 18 months. In fact it was 18 months from the date of the news item in the Wales Online outlet, a news article I had merely shared.<br />
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Warren was dropped by the solicitor and told if he wants to take me or the others to court he has three years to do it and will have to represent himself in person. We are still waiting, two and a half years later.<br />
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Gary Heseltine stated that none of us were official handwriting experts, our efforts, although obvious even to the untrained eye, were not good enough. Only an experts opinion mattered. Something he fails to apply to himself, especially in the Larry Warren Replies video when Gary is waving around photographs, telling us they are originals, when he himself is not an analyst of any kind.<br />
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The rules they constantly place on myself and friends, never apply to Warren, Heseltine or any of their associates. Gary seems to think that because he was a Detective Constable on British Transport police gives him the authority to make these claims. He says he knows what evidence is.<br />
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I replied to Duane and we started talking. He told me all about his friend Larry Warren, a liar and a braggart. He has many tales to tell. Warren even acted as his agent for one gig, he promised Duane the world. Duane was a huge Stevie Ray Vaughan fan and emulated him on stage. Warren made a beeline for him, told Duane he knew SRV very well, that he was a very good friend. He told him many stories and promised Duane the world. Duane was obviously flattered and excited about this, alas, Warren was pandering to Duane's vanities and dreams, a trick he pulls with everyone.<br />
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Fortunately for us, Warren had given Duane something. It was a jacket signed by Stevie Ray Vaughan, a jacket that Warren is wearing in photographs standing next to Stevie Ray Vaughan. At some point in the friendship Warren was in NYC and had written a letter to Duane, telling him how he was going to get Duane on the gig circuit, he also mentioned the jacket Warren had given him.<br />
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Duane sent the jacket off to a professional analyst, the analyst consulted many other authenticators and they all agreed. The signature was a forgery. how did they know? Because Vaughan was spelled incorrectly. It was spelled "Vaughn" on the jacket but Stevie's name is actually spelled "Vaughan". We know 100% for sure it is Warren's jacket because we have photos of him wearing it and he mentioned it in his handwritten letter. There are problems with the photographs.<br />
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See Duane's evidence <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-larry-warren-fraud-absolute-proof.html">here</a> Below is the radio interview I conducted with Duane.<br />
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These are some of the photos Warren has uploaded onto the Internet over the years. I was sent these by someone who took the trouble to dissect them and send them to me. Larry Warren says that I have messed with his photos, people think he means I forged them to make him look bad but in actual fact if you look at his Facebook account right now, they are uploaded as real. It is obvious he has used the same head, messed with colour tones and generated the images to further they myth that he is a good friend, body guard or Tour Publicist to the rich and famous. He also said he was in the Mick Taylor Band for two years. His evidence is a very badly shopped image (below).<a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2016/07/stars-in-his-yes.html">Doctored Photographs blog</a><br />
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Video below Warren say's "I don't have to fudge up pictures, I'm in them. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SLMYr9vI3I&list=PLBvb7Gk6XpLkS0OC9Q0tM2rCboHNT552L&index=16&t=316s">Full Video</a><br />
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<b><u>The Guitar</u></b><br />
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I need to tell you about the guitar in the photo because it is important. I have already posted the documents with the full story in but this is so important I feel it is necessary to show you something. It is a letter written by SRV's official Biographer Craig Hopkins. He bought the guitar from Warren in 1995. Below is a 22 point letter outlining his opinions. Warren reckons the guitar was stolen, never sold etc. He calls everyone who calls him out a liar. In the 197 HPANWO show he did, he calls the biographer a fan club guy. He knows full well who he is, he was given an acknowledgement in Left at East gate.<br />
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An Open Letter to Stevie Ray Vaughan Fans and Memorabilia Collectors<br />
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My name is Craig Hopkins. I am the author of the biography Stevie Ray Vaughan: Day by Day, Night After Night. I have been internationally known for over 25 years for my research regarding Stevie Ray Vaughan's life, career, instruments and memorabilia. Since 1998 my website, www.StevieRay.com, has been one of the primary sources of information about Stevie Ray Vaughan and "SRV" memorabilia.<br />
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In February 2016 a Sunburst Fender Stratocaster was advertised by Guernsey's auction house in New York City that is purported to have belonged to Stevie Ray Vaughan. Many sources on the Internet reported it sold for $100,000, but Guernsey's director has stated it was not sold. The guitar is allegedly signed by Vaughan in gold pen and dated "'90," has "SRV" stickers on the upper horn and "Cobras" stickers on the pick guard. Because this guitar has been on the market several times since 1995, I believe I should publish my research on the guitar as a public service so that others interested in this guitar may reach their own conclusion whether Stevie Ray Vaughan owned or signed this guitar.<br />
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In my OPINION, and to the best of my knowledge:<br />
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This guitar was first sold by Christie's auction house in 1995, having been consigned on behalf of Larry Warren, an author of a book regarding his encounter with an allegedly alien spacecraft in a forest in the UK. Larry Warren claimed to have obtained the guitar directly from Stevie Ray Vaughan.<br />
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1. There is no photographic proof that Stevie Ray Vaughan ever touched this guitar or one similarly customized in appearance.<br />
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2. A review of credible equipment inventories and appraisals created by or on behalf of Stevie Ray Vaughan reveals no evidence that he ever owned this guitar.<br />
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3. The photocopy of a letter allegedly penned by Vaughan does not appear to me to be his handwriting. In my opinion someone merely copied his tendency to write in all caps and make his E's like backwards 3's. A forensic handwriting specialist (not a common for-hire "authenticator") should examine the document.<br />
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4. Singer Paul Ray of the Cobras showed the letter to Jimmie Vaughan who told him the letter was probably not Stevie's handwriting.<br />
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5. The statement in the letter is that Stevie acquired the guitar from singer Paul Ray of the Cobras. Paul Ray denied this in writing in 1997.<br />
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6. The letter allegedly in Stevie's handwriting appears to have been altered since 1995 in that the name "Paul Ray" has been somewhat obscured, while in 1995 it was as clear as all the other writing. If altered, it was done after Paul Ray revealed in writing that the statement about him was completely false.<br />
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7. The letter allegedly in Stevie's handwriting refers to having played the guitar on stage on July 3, 1990, in Vermont. In researching this guitar, Warren made repeated assurances to me in 1995-96 that the guitar had been played for two songs on stage by Vaughan on that night, and that he knew photos had been taken to prove it. He promised to obtain and provide the photos to me. In 1997 Warren finally admitted to me on the phone that Stevie did NOT play the guitar that night, and there would never be any photographic proof. Thus, the two primary verifiable facts in the letter have been proven false.<br />
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8. If Stevie had used the guitar on stage, René Martinez, Stevie's guitar tech, would have known, but René told me he had never seen this guitar.<br />
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9. A note that originally circulated as provenance with the guitar in 1995 was allegedly written by René Martinez, but he told me he did not write the note. After Martinez denied any knowledge of the guitar, the note has apparently disappeared.<br />
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10. The handwritten note does not appear to match a sample of René Martinez' handwriting that is in my possession.<br />
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11. In 1995 the inside of the neck cavity bore a piece of tape with "R. Martinez" written on it, implying that René Martinez had worked on the guitar or set it up for playing on stage. Martinez told me had had never worked on this guitar and had not placed the tape there.<br />
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12. A note accompanying the 1995 sale "witnessed" the transfer of the guitar from Stevie to Larry Warren, and had two signatures in addition to Warren's. That note also seems to have disappeared since 1997. Warren could not provide me with any contact information for the first "witness," Mike Howe. Whether that person exists or was a made-up name by a forger is unknown.<br />
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13. When contacted, the other "witness," Pete Jones, refused to verify the facts to me. When contacted by Christie's auction house, Jones apparently did not provide any credible evidence that Stevie Ray Vaughan had owned or given the guitar to Larry Warren, because Christie's cancelled the sale.<br />
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14. The note now accompanying the guitar, allegedly written by Cesar Diaz (now deceased) is dated 1999, four years after the guitar was originally sold. Even if Diaz examined or set up a guitar for some unidentified person in 1999, there is nothing in the receipt that suggests, much less proves, the ownership history of the guitar.<br />
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15. The note allegedly from Cesar Diaz appears to have had the customer's name removed and then the page photocopied to help conceal the alteration. (I have not personally examined this note.)<br />
16. The last "9" in the date of the Diaz note does not look like the other 9's. Did someone change the date to make it more difficult to trace the origin of the note?<br />
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17. The note allegedly from Cesar Diaz does not refer to any guitar by serial number or other identifying characteristic, and could have been for repair to any of the thousands of Stevie Ray Vaughan tribute Stratocasters made by Fender since 1992.<br />
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18. Cesar Diaz worked on amplifiers for Stevie Ray Vaughan. Guitars were tended by René Martinez.<br />
19. A Lyra guitar originating from Larry Warren was sold by a different auction house with a very similar handwritten letter attributed to Stevie Ray Vaughan. The guitar was advertised with a photograph of Stevie holding a Danelectro guitar, with the Lyra guitar leaning against his chair or leg. The original, published photograph does not have the second guitar in the photo!<br />
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20. A black hat bearing a signature similar to the one on the Fender "Cobras" guitar was sold at another auction in the 1990's. After the auction it was determined that it had been made (and therefore signed by a forger) AFTER Stevie died, and the sale was rescinded. I was told the hat originated from Larry Warren.<br />
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21. I am not aware of any instance of Stevie Ray Vaughan giving away a valuable guitar such as this one, much less writing a note saying, "You have my permission to sell this guitar."<br />
22. In 1997, after being presented with some of this information, Christie's rescinded the auction sale of 1995 and returned 100% of the buyer's money.<br />
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23. I made the most of the above information available to Guernsey's director and attorney approximately one week before the auction. After reviewing the information, Guernsey's director stated that they would not sell the guitar.<br />
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The above constitute my opinions. I do not have any ownership, financial or other interest in this guitar. I do not know who consigned the guitar to Guernsey's and have no reason or intention to harm anyone's reputation. Your conclusions about the authenticity of the guitar may be different than my own. [END]<br />
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The guitar is currently doing the rounds on the memorabilia circuit with a $100,000 price tag but it has been as high as $180,000. Warren tells the full story of how it was stolen in the 197 show.<br />
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Warren had sold a Jerry Garcia painting in an auction in 2013 for £8000 through Special Auction Services, with several other items. I saw this photo on the laptop, only, it had Larry Warren's artists signature in the corner. When I looked at the Facebook page and website of Special Auction Services I could see where he had painted out his own signature and added a different one. He had forged Jerry Garcia's signature.<br />
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Below is a photograph of the painting on the SAS Facebook page with a Garcia signature.<br />
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Below is a screenshot of the SAS website with the Garcia painting.<br />
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Here is the original Larry Warren signature<br />
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Here is warren taking another alleged Garcia painting out of a box of returned items from Special Auction Services.<br />
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<b><u>Budd Hopkins Forgeries</u></b><br />
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This is a Budd Hopkins original<br />
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This is a Larry Warren painting. A copy of Budd's work. Larry has copied every Budd Hopkins painting. I have seen them all in his old flat. Dave said that when he and Warren took some of Warren's belongings to Warren's ex wife Sue McAllister, her walls are covered in Warren's Budd Hopkins copies. I did not know Budd Hopkins work all those years ago when I saw Warren's paintings stacked up in his flat.<br />
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<b><u>Helen Wheels, Jimminy Hendrox</u></b><br />
<b><u><br /></u></b>I spent some time sitting on Auction Houses, keeping up- with the sales catalogues, looking out for Warren's items. I knew that he had created one painting himself, I saw him painting it. He sold it as a Jimi Hendrix painting for £15,000. His style and give aways became very familiar to me over the years. He is prolific. I decided to stop doing that and let him get on with it. There are more recent crimes being committed.<br />
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The last thumbnail on the screenshot above is the Jimi Hendrix Painting. Below is the LOA (letter of authentication). Warren asked Dave to send an email to an auction house, he sent this image with a photo of the painting he says Jimi painted, but I saw him paint it years ago on a visit to his flat. As you can see Jimi is spelled JIMMI. When I pointed that out, he cut off the top of the Letterhead.<br />
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Warren talks to Tino about the painting. This is the one I saw him painting in his flat. It had a blue background and was covered with white swirls. He said "I'm trying something new" about it. Then one day in this house, I saw him touching it up with a pen. That was nothing unusual, he did paint a lot. I didn't know that he had asked Dave to email someone with a view to selling it. I found out about that after we had fallen out when Dave suddenly remembered. This is the email with several items.<br />
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Weird how Noel Redding would have Jimmi Hendrix letter head paper rather than Jimi Hendrix. If it WAS Noel's and he had made an error then surely that would be worth more and therefore chopping off the mistake has actually devalued the piece. There are a lot of people who seem to be really bad with names they are really familiar with, including their own.<br />
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Another item we can be 100% sure of is a green card (above) that Peter Robbins gave Warren as a gift. It was a flyer for a gig that Peter's famous sister Helen Wheels had played. There were other acts too.<br />
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Warren states in the Larry Warren Replies video that Helen's friend took the flyer around and had people sign it. Andy Warhol was one of those people and has forgotten how to spell Campbell's (soup), Audrey Hepburn was allegedly at this gig and signed the flyer. Even Helen Wheels signed it, even though he says people were signing it for her and that she gave him it.<br />
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If you look at the bottom of the sheet you will see that it says "From The Estate of Helen Wheels" which means it is part of the belongings she had when she died. Peter being executor of that Estate, stamped the card and gave it to Warren. Blank. It was unsigned by anyone. Larry Warren forged his Co Authors deceased sister's signature and tried to sell it in an auction. The Estate of someone only exists after a person has died. There isn't a level he won't stoop to<br />
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This is one of Larry Warren's items. It is an A4 piece of paper drawn on with black marker pen and was for sale at £4000-£6000.<br />
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If you look at the LOA or the blurb underneath, you will see that it is authenticated by Larry Warren. Please note the Lennon scribble face under the sheep on a cloud.<br />
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This is the inside cover of Left at East Gate signed by Larry Warren, note the Lennon scribble face.</div>
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If you listen to this Howard Hughes interview, Howard asks him what it is like to be controversial. For some strange reason Warren says something about suicide and not knowing what that's about. Well, it just so happens that the date of this interview comes exactly four weeks to the date after one of my closest and oldest friends committed suicide. That was meant as a trigger to me. Obviously I was completely devastated by his death, we had grown up together, I had known him over 30 years. I heard this for the first time this week. I hadn't listened to this show until then.<br />
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I could literally go on forever about the issues associated with Warren. Gary insists there is no evidence of Warren lying, no conviction, no crime and that is coming from an ex Detective Constable who claims to know what evidence is.<br />
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You would think the obvious reaction to my claims from an innocent person would be to prove the accuser wrong with counter evidence. Warren insists that I have spent time setting him up, that everything I am saying is lies. I am his parasite and infatuated super fan. He says he is completely innocent and that I am evil.<br />
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Gary says it is abnormal behaviour from me, I am a sycophant, I just love Larry and flipped. All the information is coming from one woman, the female lead troll Sacha Christie. He repeats constantly that I am not professional, that I claim to be a serious researcher and that everything I am saying is lies. All fabricated by myself.<br />
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As you can see, this has not all come from me. The things I said Warren had told me right at the beginning, he has said to other people before me. Warren now denies having the conversation with LMH/BJ as I have outlined before but he also said it to Dot Street in the tape she played to Georgina Bruni.<br />
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What was Larry Warren's reaction to my speaking out? Death threats. Lots of them. Many discussions about how I might die. More recently, he has really gone to town on the fact that in 2005 I did not believe the official story of the 7/7 bombings. I lived on the same street as one of the bombers, I saw them regularly in our street, in the local park and more often, in my next door neighbours garden. I could not and did not believe they had anything to do with it. I was very outspoken about this, just as many other people were and still are. The same goes for people not believing the official story on 9/11. Now I know I believed whatever I wanted to believe. After all, I believed Warren.<br />
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What Warren is currently trying to do is get me killed. He has handed my address out years ago and probably still does. His tactic is to keep on saying I am a friend of the 7/7 bombers that I hate America, he tells people I am on a no fly list to the USA and attaches me to every terrorist attack that has happened in recent years.<br />
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He says I am Antifa, a Nazi, I am scum and need to be run out of life, run out of blood. As I have outlined <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/09/mr-illuminaughty-and-nude-world-orders.html">here</a>, the police have been less than useless, but then Warren's ex wife's brother is in Merseyside Police Firearms Division according to Warren himself. Warren acted as emissary for Merseyside Police and took a Police helmet over to a precinct in NYC as a show of solidarity between forces. He says he did this while he was working on Ground Zero. Read <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/03/larry-warren-claims-to-be-911-first.html">here</a> and also this blog for his three different versions of the same alleged activities <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/06/the-three-transcripts-of-larry-warrens.html">here</a>. He goes from having worked in that shit hole for four months (his words) because of his experience in the steel industry, to he wasn't in the steel industry, he wasn't working there, he was just there with his Brother in Law who was investigating the attacks. I go into this further down.<br />
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This was a message he sent me in November 2015.<br />
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Warren was booked to speak at the SPI Scotland Conference in June 2016. I said I was going to go and ask him a question, a question on how his account was actually Adrian Bustinza's account. He perceived that as a threat.<br />
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This was his reaction to me saying I was going, armed with questions.<br />
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The above post came about because went to the SPI Scotland conference in July 2017. This was Warren's reaction to a photo of myself, Alyson Dunlop, the organiser, and James Welsh. James realised he was being lied to, he was very angry about it. He decided to investigate Warren as well, Warren says James is a sex crime fella. that is a total lie.<br />
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I clipped the comment below because I want you to know that this is apparently a military term for killing people. He quite obviously wants someone to get mad on his behalf and murder us all. Myself especially.<br />
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I live only a few miles away from Warren. He also tells people that I am an ex mental patient. An ex nut house inmate. His friend Malky Smithson also chimes in like he knows what he is talking about. He has never met me and knows only what gossipping lies Warren has told him.<br />
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Below are as many instances of Warren attaching me to terrorist attacks while telling people I support the London bombers, that I am a threat to national security.<br />
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Here he says he will tell people every chance he gets. If his evidence stands up to scrutiny, why have such a vicious reaction?<br />
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Warren says he is not holding back any longer, as if he has anyway. He has uses whatever weapon he can against me. At the start of all this he was conducting a hate campaign with about 50 people trolling me, lying about me and harassing me.<br />
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As I said before, Warren says he has family in the Police and Gary Heseltine is an ex Detective Constable.<br />
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Here is the recording of the visit I had from WPC Wolstenholme to my house at the request of Bradford Police who wanted a statement from me because one of Warren's friends, Malky Smithson threatened to cut off Mick Sayers nose and shoot his family and that if Mick retaliated in any way, Malky would come after me and proved he had my home address by sending it to Mick Sayer.<br />
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<a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B99UoREaBWq4X0x4cElXS2JhNEFILWQ5UEprdnhDSXdmeUNB">The 40 minute recording of me being shouted at for wanting to report a crime.</a><br />
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Because Malcolm Smithson has a criminal record for aggravated assault and shouting about UFOs in pubs, the Police were going to arrest him. Malky also told me via Mick Sayer in his message, to go kill myself. Merseyside Police said because it wasn't said directly TO me then it doesn't constitute as a crime. She refused to take a statemjent telling me "I don't work for Bradford Police".<br />
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This is one of the message Malky Smithson sent to Mick Sayer threatening Mick and myself. He handed out my home address to Mick, I have met Mick once but at this time I only knew Mick on Facebook. Warren gave Malky my address and Malky handed it out on the net to someone I only knew online. This is what I reported to the police, this is what Bradford Police wanted a statement for to make an arrest, the WPC refused to take a statement.<br />
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. "<span style="background-color: white; color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">what I'd like to know if your not a rat then why give it to sc......you FAILED.... i was counting on that to prove you were a rat....now if your gonna see me....do it....but i warn you.....private land and i may well have a powerful air rifil pointing at you eye</span><br />
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don't be silly now.....let's be nice and not devious...trespass on our land and its YOUR fault what happens to you</div>
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i am up for being nice, but if your gonna pass stuff on to miss bitch....than that's another issue altogether... you got my address then get me.....im prepped</div>
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going to her was a big mistake.....i KNOW your a rat otherwise ones mouth would have been shut....see james welsh threatened Ben....dumbflop and malcolm Robinson threatened the same dim wit they are now defending..... here have some hand writing you tossers couldn't be added researching</div>
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ohhhh im OK to talk with unless i find you been a dirty cunt passing info on</div>
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Just came across this, it's going in my next blog. I'd forgotten about this. Malky Smithson, Warren's friend and UFO Truth Magazine supporter, telling me to go kill myself.</div>
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He sent a message to Mick Sayer, full of threats.</div>
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and you wounderd why I didn't add you as a friend.....didn't trust you and now i fucking KNOW your a rat.....if your at Holmfirth conference...... STAY away from me unless you are gonna be GENUINE and not Mr fucking rat not</div>
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ere SC go fucking KILL yourself</div>
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look we can either meet under decent circumstances or not at all, larry WILL be at the Holmfirth conference and i shall be with him.......we can either get on or not....but stop being the rat for her. you passed on PRIVATE info which makes you a fucking BIG fat rat....like you with me.....ive watched your posts about me.....its MY turn to screw you over like you did with me you rat</div>
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ohhhhh and the guy that barred me from boltmakers.....was screwing his barmaid when his wife was dying of cancer.....i found out about it and didn't like it.....another thing....he soon upped and left the place.....he was DRESSING AS A WOMAN FREAKING OUT THE CUSTOMERS lol.....so get that one down your fucking cunt of a throat......THAT is why you have my addy .....through a legal loophole....but i have SC's......screw with me and I go for her simple as *(this is where he included my full home address)*</div>
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BACK OFF in other words......wanna be nice.....be nice....screw with me and well.....I screw with you lot</div>
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in fact why the fuck are WE arguing.....we haven't got blood for each other....its due to bimbo brains and you passing on info NOT for her eyes......fuck sake this is a mess.....just let's back off each other and call it quits????.......you DONT post this about as its between US and US only.....not her.......US.....im pissed off in snapping at you but you passing shit along like that......I think we do need to meet (non violent)......not at my address though......im going to Holmfirth and if your going were GONNA have to get on......look there's a lot of personal stuff that's going on and im snapping we really DO need to talk WITHOUT this getting to others ears</div>
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or I can arrange for us to meet in a pub in bingley where there's a ex navy guy I know to watch over things????"</div>
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The WPC also informed me that it was my own fault for reading the screenshots. This implies that I am only in danger for reading them and having knowledge. This indicates that they think that if I hadn't read them then I wouldn't be in any danger.<br />
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Warren wants me dead and has said so in many different ways in public, I can only imagine what he says in private. He is signalling to randoms in the community who might be unbalanced enough to turn up at my door and kill me.<br />
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He also lives in Liverpool and will be saying this to anyone and everyone who will listen to him. You can get someone to shoot another person for very little money here. Warren is a coward which is why he is about being a hard man, about being a Hells Angel Enforcer (the baddest of the bad). The real Hells Angels have more integrity in a single skin flake than Warren has in his entirety. However, I believe he is more than capable of killing me if he flips. I believe he would be insane enough to burn our house down in the middle of the night.<br />
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This is what happens when a victim of trolling phones the police when the trolls have family in the Police Force. Warren telling us all he has family in the police absolutely implies bias and corruption. Therefore this member of his ex wife, Sue McAllister's family who is in the firearms unit according to Warren, is actually being implicated in a crime. If I was a politician then the <a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/27/section/1">Malicious Communications Act</a> would be used.<br />
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I wrote to my local MP and told him about what was happening, he contacted the Police, the Police informed him that they had investigated and there was nothing to answer to. They did not take a statement so what were they investigating? The Police lied to my MP. I complained to the IPCC but they did nothing, they did not even get the names of individuals correct.<br />
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Below is a photo of Warren acting as emissary (his words) for Merseyside Police when he took a Police Helmet there from Merseyside Constabulary as a show of solidarity. A nice gesture but far from unusual as we found out from one of the 911 responders <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/03/larry-warren-claims-to-be-911-first.html">in this blog</a>. Not only does he say that he took the helmet for Merseyside Police, he also claims to have worked on Ground Zero for four months.<br />
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After I wrote the 9/11 <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/03/larry-warren-claims-to-be-911-first.html">blog</a> he then said he wasn't working there four months, but that he went there four times over 6 months. Then he wasn't actually working, he was just there with his brother in law who was investigating the attacks. Only nobody investigated GZ, everything was taken to an island called Fresh Kills and that is where the investigation took place. The video below is 9 minutes long and is the segment where he says he was at Ground Zero and that he took the helmet acting as Emissary for Merseyside Police.<br />
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<a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/06/the-three-transcripts-of-larry-warrens.html">Here are the three transcripts</a> of his three different versions of event. More recently Gary Heseltine says that Warren found his passport which proves he was there four times over eight months. That does not tally with Warren's claims. It proves nothing apart from he went backwards and forwards from the UK to USA when he came here to give a talk in Liverpool, met his (ex) wife, got married, they split up, he went back, she found out she was pregnant and he came back to the UK. Then he went to visit sometime after the attacks to see his family because one of them was caught up in what happened but thankfully survived. I know this because I know Warren and was his friend for nine years.<br />
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The only thing that will prove that he was there is his proof of presence which he is completely entitled to IF he was there. He just needs an affidavit from his brother and anyone else who was there in a working capacity with Warren. NOBODY could get onto the site if they didn't have a reason and they would have been issued a tag. The tags would have specifics on them, photos do not constitute as proof of presence, neither do passport stamps.<br />
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This is his evidence of working on site at Ground Zero. If you read this <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/03/larry-warren-claims-to-be-911-first.html">blog</a> you will see how a genuine first responder set several questions for Warren to answer. He refused. He said he worked in "The Pit" for four months, smelled the death. Nobody who worked it called it The Pit, it was called the Pile.<br />
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The First Responder told me that the photo below is when the site was closed, no one was working it, the officer is wearing a Spring Time NYPD Uniform. In the Larry Warren Replies video with Gary Heseltine (above) Gary comments that the Cop in the uniform was the Federal Officer that could get Warren occasional access, Warren did not correct him. NYPD did not investigate the attacks, Warren said his Brother in law was a Federal Agent who investigated the attacks. They just cannot get their story straight at all. The Cop in the photograph is blatantly NYPD.<br />
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The image below was used in the slide show in the Larry Warren Replies Video with Gary Heseltine. No remarks are made about this image as with the others, nothing was said. A reverse image search reveals this to be from the archives of the then President GeorgeW Bush. Very misleading, while watching the film you could be forgiven for assuming Warren took this photograph. Since this time Gary Heseltine has said that he has seen Warren's old Passport which shows that he went over to NYC four times in 8 months. That also does not tally with the time frame Warren gave, nor the time frame of events in the clean up of Ground Zero.<br />
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I have a friend who was present at Ground Zero in the immediate aftermath. he took the ferry over to help in whatever way he could. He was on what was called the bucket brigade. He has been very vocal over the recent Victims Compensation Fund struggles and subsequent victory. I approached him and asked if he knew anyone I could speak to. He put me in touch with a woman who was a First Responder. She was the person who suited and booted people when they cam on site. she was Office of Emergency Management.<br />
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She was obviously disgusted with what I was telling her, she reeled off a series of questions to ask him but said she knew he was lying straight away, nothing of what he said actually fits with events. She challenged him directly, Gary Heseltine asked her to prove who she was and to prove that she was a First Responder, something he hasn't asked Larry Warren to do.<br />
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She challenged them directly, she approached a couple of radio show hosts to hold the debate, Gary turned her down on Larry's behalf. Tim Acheson called her a liar a fake and a troll, they deleted all her comments and blocked her. At no point has Warren shown any actual evidence of him being inside Ground Zero. Apparently we have to wait for the film to see the actual evidence. One has to wonder why he hasn't applied to the Victims Compensation Fund and why he is the only person who was there that doesn't have a 9/11 related illness. Also, why won't he produce his tags and any evidence? Passport stamps only show he was in NYC but I wouldn't even trust that. His Passport has been mutilated by him before.<br />
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Tim Acheson called her a troll, he said she can be a first Responder and a Troll. She was called a Troll for asking reasonable questions. she didn't hound them, swear or call anyone a name. She wanted to see proof and she told Warren in no uncertain terms "You are NOT one of us Mr Warren"<br />
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Larry Warren also claimed to be a Hells Angel. He said he was in the HA for 28 years. In January 2018 I received a message on Facebook messenger from one of the local Hells Angels, he invited me to their clubhouse the following Saturday night. I went with a good friend who was also a biker. When I got there he informed me that the patches Warren flashed on a radio show with Jo Montaldo and Christina George, where Warren was absolutely smashed out of his face, had been confiscated from him. That this was the second time he had done this. Warren was warned about there being a third, yet he is still running his mouth off in Liverpool, he also blames me for this but I didn't even know anyone at that point in time.<br />
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The outrageous claims of Larry Warren. In this show he says he was P.A for the Beach boys in the 70's. Warren was born in august 1961 and was a child. This show is full of absolute blinding lies. The hosts look very pissed off , you would think they would be delighted to have such a legend on their show.</div>
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As I have said. Gary Heseltine of UFO Truth Magazine and UFO Truth conferences states that there is no evidence of lies, there is simply no evidence whatsoever that Warren is lying or has lied. Funny then that Gary Heseltine himself put a status update onto his own Facebook page after the A10 photograph was found to be fake.<br />
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He says there are no lies and ALL of this information is the product of my sick and twisted mind. He is not a misogynist, I am just an ex nuthouse inmate who is infatuated with Warren. Gary has said this himself on a couple of his friends radio shows but he knew he had overstepped the mark and had his friends and enablers remove them.<br />
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A little while ago Alyson Dunlop wondered how many women Gary Heseltine has had booked as speakers at his conferences. He had been a guest on two shows saying that in his opinion, there are not many women who can comfortable get up on stage and speak of evidential things. This is misogyny at it's finest and obviously we were all discussing these outrageous statements.<br />
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I went to Gary's UFO Truth website, pulled up the posters for each conference and counted the speakers. This took me all of three minutes, if that. I counted 53 male speakers and 5 female speakers. 53 to 5. Gary chopped things up and retorted that the ratio was actually 12:1 as if that is any better. It doesn't matter how he dices and slices. Out of fifty eight speakers only five were women. Because I counted the speakers Gary says I am obsessed with UFO Truth Magazine.<br />
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You can listen to the video clips in this <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/08/53-men-and-5-women-speakers-at-ufo.html">blog</a>. Gary says I am twisting his words but I actually used video clips so he cannot accuse me of that. He says it himself. I do not have to lead or sway anyone.<br />
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Gary Heseltine's only defence is to make you think that I am broken, weird and obsessed. Go look at his Facebook page and see for yourself the things he says about me, the conversations and comments he allows are actual trolling. He calls me the lead female troll because I bothered to collect all of these items you have just read about. He has a PDF he has compiled of what he calls the troll and myself, swearing. Apparently I am not very professional. I agree. I am not a professional, I have no qualifications in anything remotely academic.<br />
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Gary gives me titles so he can take them off me. Let me assure you, this is not my profession, my interest in UFOs and associated subjects is because I am a UFO witness. I make no claims to be a serious researcher, I make no claims to be a professional. I am me, living my life. Warren used me and trampled on my life and is now putting my life in danger with his dangerous mouth. Everything Warren and associates do is fine by Gary Heseltine.<br />
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I saw Warren for what he is and so it fell to me to out him for being a life thief and a memorabilia forger. The truth is never libel and I look forward to the day when they take me to court as has been saying for three years. I have more than enough evidence and there is this little thing called COUNTERCLAIM.<br />
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Gary Heseltine wants you to believe that this is all about Gary Heseltine, that this is all an attack on him and the film Capel Green. I haven't even mentioned Capel Green in this blog aside from the second screenshot which touts Warren as the original Whistleblower. This is not about Gary, it is not about the film, it is about the lies of Larry Warren, the lies he has told since he first started talking to people.<br />
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As far as Capel Green is concerned, where they are filming is not Capel Green it is Capel St Andrew. Capel Green is over the road at the other side. Warren told me before we fell out that he got mixed up, that he thought he had the right spot but that the right place was at the other side. I said this right back at the beginning.<br />
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The red dot is roughly where Warren currently says was the landing spot. He denies saying it was at the other side. If you look to the right of the road you can see clearly where Capel Green is. This map is roughly the route Col Halt, Bustinza and the others took. Had they walked that way they would have seen the spectacular show Warren says happened. They would have headed straight for that, not to the other side where it happened to John and Adrian. Warren got the wrong spot and that part of the film Capel Green is based on Warren's lies.<br />
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Although very faint, the map (above) Warren outlined for Barry Greenwood in the early to mid 1980's. You can see that he has actually said it was a lot higher up on the map than what he says now. In fact it is at the opposite end of the field and to the left of the field.<br />
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Above is a screenshot of the EMUFORA conference talk 1994. As you can see the location has changed several times. That is also mislabelled, that is not Capel Green. Capel Green is at the other side of the road around about where you can see the number 6.<br />
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Another one of Warren's items of evidence is a black and white photo he currently says is an official DoD image. He does not have any paperwork to support the release of such an image. One can only wonder what tale he has to tell about that. originally he said it was a photograph given to him by a civilian, that he kept the photos for 19 years and had smuggled them off base in a Stein that he bought from Germany when he did or didn't go the weekend of the incidents. Georgina Bruni writes about it in You Can't Tell The People.<br />
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Early in 1999 I had called and left a message for Larry, who had been visiting Liverpool, where he was staying with Sue McAllister. There were some final details I wanted to check with him; however, I was not prepared for what I was about to hear. He told me that a few months earlier he had been sent some photographs of the actual UFO encountered by Jim Penniston and John Burroughs, which were taken during the initial incident on 25/26 December. I had heard rumours that someone had managed to take pictures and smuggle them out but had never been able to find any evidence to support this story. According to Larry, someone had read the reviews of Left at East Gate on the Internet and had sent the photographs to him care of his publishers. Included in the package were negatives, a Bentwaters photograph folder, a map with directions to the landing site and a letter from the witness. Larry would not reveal the contact’s full name but gave his Christian name as Mark. The witness was an accountant living with his wife and family in the United States and although he was very nervous about the whole affair and did not want to be named, he had sent Larry the photographs in the hope that it would back up the case. The witness had been a bystander who was off duty when he and another airman saw lights over the forest from the nearby village of Eyke. He and his friend became curious and drove back to Bentwaters to collect a camera before making their way to the forest. On passing some buildings by the roadside (Foley Cottages), they saw lights moving through the trees and decided to park the vehicle with the aim of investigating them. But Mark’s friend was frightened and refused to follow him into the forest. As Mark moved closer to the lights he could see two figures and a triangular UFO sitting in a clearing. At one point he was only five feet away from the UFO, standing behind a tree taking pictures. The UFO then lifted up and began moving through the forest, dipping in and out of the trees. Mark thought the others had been abducted and decided to run for it. On returning to the base he put another film into his camera and shot pictures of the ground. This film was then turned over to his superiors, and he was told that it had come out ‘fogged’. Three months later, when he thought it was safe to have the UFO film developed, he risked taking it to the Bentwaters supermarket. A few days later he collected the film, which included pictures of himself and some friends taken prior to the incident. For the rest of his tour, almost two years, he kept them safely hidden on the base, sometimes moving them to other locations when he became nervous. As soon as Mark returned to the United States he placed the negatives and pictures into a safe deposit box and there they remained until they were sent to Larry in late 1998. An incredible story! Over the course of several weeks, I listened to Larry as he told me about the pictures and how Mark had kept them safe all those years. In an attempt to get the facts correct I would go over the details, only to find that the story changed during these conversations, which of course gave me cause for concern. Then Larry sent me one of the photographs. It was a glossy black picture with a group of coloured lights in the shape of a triangle and a few other coloured balls of light scattered throughout. I eventually had the photograph blown up and lightened and was amazed to find what appeared to be a distorted forest with a triangle of lights hovering over a clearing. Beneath the lights was an azure mist and at ground level there appeared to be a strange yellow mist rising up a few feet off the ground. It certainly looked interesting and, as promised, I sent a blown-up copy back to Larry. I am aware that the photograph could easily be a hoax. However, until it had been enlarged several times and lightened there was nothing to see except blackness and a few lights, so that in itself is interesting. I asked Larry if it were possible that someone might be trying to set him up, but he was adamant that the source was genuine: not only did he know the identity of the witness, but they had exchanged correspondence and talked on the telephone. Besides, the photographs had come not only with the negatives but also with the Bentwaters supermarket folder, and of course there was the map that Mark had sketched, indicating details of the route to the landing site. If these photographs were of the Rendlesham UFO, they were a good piece of evidence, but unless I could talk to the witness, or have something constructive to back them up, I had to remain wary. Larry promised to send me a photocopy of the Bentwaters folder and a negative. Hopefully, if the negative proved to have coding, it would at least date the film. Imagine my surprise then when a week later I received a call from Larry confessing that he was the person who had taken the photographs. I was dumbfounded. My first question was, without doubt, ‘Why did you sit on them for nineteen years?’ This was followed by a barrage of questions. I could not believe that he would not use them in his book or even in the early days when he was trying so desperately to prove his case. Peter Robbins was devastated but still had confidence in Larry, blaming it on the incident and the fact that he had been messed with. Meanwhile, Larry confessed to Peter that he had told me the story and given me permission to use the photograph. Obviously Peter felt betrayed, having been his coauthor and helped research his story for almost a decade. I felt for Peter, I had only worked with Larry on a chapter and knew how intense it was – there were surprises around every corner. The problem was the way Larry convincingly told the first story – all those details. 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Steve LaPlume wrote this in his <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/07/steve-laplume-issues-statement-his-time.html">statement</a><br />
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Issue #4 Larry had asked me to lie once for him when Georgina Bruni was interviewing him. He called me and talked to me about some film he had asked me to hold when we were at Bentwaters. Only thing was I have no memory at all about him ever asking me to hold onto or hide film for him and I told Georgina just that. Larry's exact words were "I just need you to tell her I asked you to hold onto some film canisters for me and that you did."<br />
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Steve gave a talk a few years ago. This is it.<br />
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This is the photo Warren gave to Georgina Bruni:<br />
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Larry Warren says that John Burroughs in is this (above) image to the left. If you go back to what Georgina Bruni told us about this photograph being of the craft Jim and John went to investigate on the first night. Warren then told her that he took the photo. This is the one that is currently doing the rounds as a DoD photo.<br />
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However, this is a scan of the original. Someone highlighted the area of interest.<br />
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Even when you crop a little smaller, there is no evidence of a person. You can see something that looks a bit like a face in the first image which is heavily cropped and over exposed, but when you look at these, there isn't a body to go with the head. It is just another one of Warrens lies.<br />
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Not only has Larry Warren said he is the original Whistle Blower and Primary Witness, he has worked with every rock star you can imagine, he was a Tour Publicist, Worked at Atlantic Records and EMI, The Hit Factory... basically all the huge music producers.<br />
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At the same time he was unemployed (Skycrash), a pharmaceutical Rep (Bases), He was at Connecticut Broadcasting School where Charlie comer picked him up and took him under his wing when Warren was working at the Recording Studio doing voice over work while at school (Larry Warren Replies ZXAlien Warrior). He says his father secured the student loan to do this yet when someone contacted both schools, neither had heard of him, he claimed to have a BA in Communications. They do not do BA in communications at either School. He then said Peter made a mistake while writing their book but in 2015 at the Filey talk it was part of the bio Steve Mera read out. <br />
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But at the same time he was working at a TV network in Connecticut and somehow was underwriting for a commercial airliner (LMH/BJ transcript) while also working in the steel industry (Larry Warren Replies Gary Heseltine) which was all just after he had spent a year in England while finishing school in the USA, signing on to the biggest UFO event Britain has seen just after being a PA to the Beach Boys, Body Guard (NME)<br />
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He then became a trained killer who was scared of witches in a village called Butley(LAEG) He was also an abductee and had invisible friends he could see (Filey 2015).<br />
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But not only that, in 1975 he also had a Bigfoot sighting. What hasn't happened to this man? Here is the transcript of his Bigfoot account from the Truth Frequency Radio Show with Andy Young 15th August 2015 and the audio. What happens usually when I direct people to a broadcast, the host removes the recording. I have obviously saved them and also transcribed some.<br />
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<b>Larry Warren's Bigfoot Encounter on Ringo Starrs 35th Birthday, July 7th 1975</b><br />
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Warren: "Right. Err. Oh right well on July 7th '75 and you're going to the Bigfoot thing. See we go from Ringo to Bigfoot. Makes sense. And we umm you know we we we were going to Niagara Falls on that day. It was very on the New York Thruway western New York somewhere and my mother was driving and I was fifteen years old or fourteen years old and we're driving and err my sister's in the back seat and it was broad daylight. We were on the slow lane on the New York Thruway. It's about five lanes I guess and we're heading west.<br />
And there was a barn. I could see that in the distance. It was so hot I mean. I think our windows were down. And there was a tree line and a long a big giant field and err this barn way out in the distance. (Takes a drink)<br />
And out of that tree line came a deer running."<br />
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Warren: "And it's an element I don't bring into it a lot because it kinda disturbed me really and this deer is running. You don't see deer during the day in the summer and you know upstate New York is very rural. It's vast farmland. A lot of people have guns. They're hunters. You're not in a Bigfoot suit running around in a hundred degree temperatures but I'll get into how it ran. And this thing right behind broke out of the trees and umm and it it it pulled itself for..I can only say this to anyone that's ever seen or thought they saw one of these and and at that point in my life I think I'd probably seen the Roger Patterson film which is authentic of uhh in Bluff Creek shot in '67."<br />
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Warren: "That is a hundred percent real and they can't build suits like it..." (Host plays music over Warren's talking, saying they are going to a break).<br />
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Warren: "You don't believe that?" ( Host says he thinks it's a "guy in a suit"). Right. That that was errr disproven believe it or not. There was a very you gotta watch this you see this stuff. The debunker community is very effective and I'm not talking about the government. I'm talking about people that since these things don't exist they can't and I will do whatever.<br />
They are quite crafty. That was disproven and uhh the guy that was with Roger Patterson I think Gimlin is that his name Bob Gimlin ummm and again I wasn't there errr but it is been proven even uhh you you. All I can say on that because I'm not an expert on it and I go with my guts and I go with (drinks) kinda go with what I've seen."<br />
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Warren: "Uhhh I would look into more on has that ever been proven that was a suit. Now you might still say well that's just a guy in a suit and that's your right."<br />
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Warren: "Yeah but there's a muscular errr under you see .... and the face is not anything to do with that mask. I have seen that comparison and all ...(Host comments about an undiscovered primate) They're not a primate. There's never been an ape in America. (Talking over each other and host is not convinced by the footage.) There's NEVER been an ape in America.<br />
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01:32:35<br />
Warren: "Well there are from what I have seen on you know like alleged Big.. you know I guess in the Bigfoot community which I'm not part of though I've reached out only in this last year cos what I saw is forty years this year.. in July. It was July forty years so you know you get thinking about it. My mother you know is quite older now and in a in a nursin' home but so you try to make.. I think I keep a lot of memories as fresh as you can with the older you get. And so I thought about it and I have never really told - people know about it - but I don't run around sayin' I've seen Bigfoot."<br />
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01:33:05<br />
Warren: "But from what I hear funny[sic] enough the big there's a Bigfoot research community and they're as vicious as the UFO (Host agrees) ...that's what I'm told yeah." (Hosts agrees about all the viciousness)<br />
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01:33:23<br />
Warren: "And it's only this creature you know and they go cra..but again isn't it EGO, right? And it's probably the SAME thing.<br />
But with what I saw uhh I don't know. My personal feeling...with with..if I've... the thing broke out of a tree line. Now we're on a highway so I would estimate the speed limit by then had been reduced to 55 (mph) I think by 1975. So you're in that zone and what I saw break out deer this was a buck and err and it had four antlers and all that was running bouncing and I'm watchin' this thing and that's unusual I'm not a hunter or anything but it is hunting I know a lot of outdoorsman and hunters and they know the woods. Uhhh and this deer was running for its damned life because prob'ly about twenty feet behind it and gaining on it was this thing that uhh was reddish in colour, not black or brown."<br />
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01:34:22<br />
Warren: "Uhh it...uhh...you know I'm not with you so I can't show you the width of it" (Host asks if it was definitely not a bear)... "No, we have black bears in New York state and I we are very familiar with black bears and errr and this errr and black bears do live obviously out in upstate and western New York state definitely."<br />
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01:34:39<br />
Warren: "Absolutely not a bear and it was uhh uhh I remember the colour errr errr almost reddish very reddish-brown. And a very definite reddish-brown and the MASS on this thing. Now it broke out. Now the first thing I'm thinking it just didn't look like anything I'd seen. You know. At all. I didn't I'm like this is so .. this was prob'ly about forty seconds of visual and that's it and it stayed with you forty years. I mean you see a bear. I've seen bears runnin'. You know what they are."<br />
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01:35:12<br />
Warren: "This thing the MASS of it was disturbing how big this thing was and it looked like it was had launched off its back legs and was grab...it grabbed the ground twice. But I can't tell yer it made the deer look like a little toy." (Host asks how tall it was)<br />
"Well what it did it launched itself on all fours twice and then got UP and RAN! And it was running and it had I'll tell you what it's hard to demonstrate this and I've only started looking into other Bigfoot things to correlate it and I've read similar things now."<br />
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01:35:47<br />
Warren: "And the thing ran and I will tell you the next thing that was so strange other than the SIZE of it was that its uhh it it hadda hit thirty miles an hour. It had to. Because it was almost keeping pace. We were on the s.. lane thirty yards from it. So we're on the slow lane. Other cars start slowin' down remember that. There was a New York state police car had pulled over. Clearly saw it. I don't know. I've looked for any reports. Something. Other people did see this. Broad daylight about a hundred degrees and why I knew it was July 7th they had just said it was Ringo Starr's and I'm a Beatle freak. It was Ringo Starr's 35th birthday on the radio and thank god to Ringo for that because I knew the DATE. The approximate time midday. It was so damned hot that we were talking about suits and I know they hoax the Bigfoot things."<br />
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01:36:41<br />
Warren: "They're pretty obvious to see the hoax a lot I've seen a few good lord. You see sneakers err trainers. Sneakers they call 'em in the States, on this guy oh it's bad. But this thing was not and if it WAS a person in a suit then the person would have been about eleven feet tall in an estimate. They would have been, they would have err errr a width of shoulder of about four and a half feet. It stood, when it stood, it the size again the size and the way the legs moved was so different to anything I've ever seen walk on two legs."<br />
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01:37:15<br />
Warren: "And the length of the arms it was like a linebacker but it had no neck and it just a pointed kinda head with a light-coloured face it wasn't a black face. It was light. It's why I think of a person, right, you know? And just to.. it's not an ape or a it's not an animal .... so what it did it ran... I'm stretching out forty seconds cos I still try to really I can still picture it. And I'm sure it's...nothin's cloudin' it but it finally got near the stream. We're heading toward a bridge and err a little bridge and there was a stream there obviously ran under it into this field. And beyond that stream about another hundred yards was a big red barn, remember that."<br />
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01:38:03<br />
Warren: "And this thing caught the deer. It slapped the back end of it with its right arm which was massive. It slapped it and spun the deer through the air."<br />
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01:38:17<br />
Host: "Somebody's asking in the chat room if this is in the Fort Detrick area."<br />
(Editor note: Obviously the chat room person is not conversant with geography as Fort Detrick is in Maryland.)<br />
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01:38:22<br />
Warren: "Well boy I wish I knew man you know! It's western New York and near, you know I wish I I had marked what town but I was a young guy then. But ummm heading towards Niagara Falls. It was about mid-state on the New York Thruway so we were about half-way between Albany and Buffalo I guess. And it was very flat country I remember that. "<br />
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(Editor note: If Warren was travelling from Albany to Niagara Falls along the New York State Thruway he would have been approximately 260 miles (crow) - at the mid point along the Thruway - from Fort Detrick, MD. Considering how important the military medical installation has been historically it seems odd that Warren had not heard of it.)<br />
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01:38:48<br />
Host: "Yeah and he says 'if so ask him if he's seen red-eyed aggressive deer.' "<br />
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01:38:52<br />
Warren: Laughs. "Uhhh no! Errr no I haven't. But this chased...wasn't a deer either. And errr but it killed a deer because it hit it and the deer flew in the air and it was a full... deer are big in America they are big and this was big. But this was nothing compared to what hit it. And it took its legs out and it just flew and it went into the bush and this thing obviously jumped to get it but had to jump in the stream. But you know how you move your neck very freely? You know how your neck can just move naturally left or right and this is my last image of it its upper body did that movement."<br />
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01:39:25<br />
Warren: "There was no neck movement and it was so unnatural and bizarre, and it seemed to run above the ground. Now I'm not sayin' it was in the air runnin' it didn't seem - it seemed to glide. And that was what really held ya. And then you get this gut feeling like I shouldn't be lookin' at this in the solar plexus. You know if you have a strange thing. If you ever have or whatever it's hard to describe but if any one of your listeners have had something unUSUAL happen to them not this or anything you get a little feelin' like just odd right in the gut you know right in the chest area it's the solar plexus."<br />
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01:40:02<br />
Warren: "And it's something I find that has happened in the past. I had that exact feeling and we crossed the bridge. So that was it. It was disturb.. cos the deer flew I mean it knocked it off the ground and my sister didn't notice and frankly had we run the Bigfoot over she wouldn't have cared anyway. She is not interested in any of this stuff unless it's going shopping or her grandkids and god bless her. My sister had no interest couldn't care less as long as it stayed away from her house."<br />
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01:40:30<br />
Warren: "Other cars pulled over and my mother and I at that instant I think just as it went out of sight my mother had seen it before I did. We looked at each other and at the SAME moment we said 'Bigfoot!' And I don't remember what we said after that but my mother errr would tell you to this day yah we saw it. But so did OTHER people so I've reached out to this errr I've got enough trouble with the UFO bunch but I I've been kinda lookin' into it and tried to study a bit more about these things which obviously on the East Coast have a history going back to the you know the f.. nations' people the the natives. Native Americans."<br />
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01:41:14<br />
Warren: "And uhhh that go back forever and I mean..." (host interrupts the monologue saying that "they have hundreds of names") ..."oh yeah yeah they got all the different nations. Tribes have different interactions. Some have been violent some have uhhh you know and really credible things. Law enforcement people Whitehall New York uhhh in 1976 in fact if you see that Bigfoot show where they run out in the woods and scream at each other where nothing ever happens."<br />
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01:41:41<br />
Warren: "That errr Bigfoot, that creature would not even come near these people but uhhh they're doin' well with their show. Good for them. But it doesn't move the argument FORWARD and uhhh all of New York state's very rich in history the East Coast of these sightings going back forever."<br />
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01:42:02<br />
Host asks Warren about the colour of the Bigfoot as being reddish-brown like an orangutan's colour.<br />
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01:42:08<br />
Warren: "A colour very similar to that, absolutely. I hate..never like saying that cos someone will say well it was an orangutan that escaped. It could put an orangutan in its pockets. The the si..I saw the face mate as it turned and I can still remember thinking (pause) I don't remember what I thought ...it was a 'uman face it was 'uman-shaped not like you and me but you would not think an ape at all."<br />
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01:42:35<br />
Warren: "It was brief but it was definitely and it was not an ape and it was not a listen it was the biggest goddamed thing I would not frankly and I've never been an outdoorsy kinda guy. I would never camp in the forest. Never. Not now. And I never wanted to after that cos if I've seen this and I'm no-one special (REALLY??) these things LIVE out there."<br />
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01:43:01<br />
Host speaks briefly about a woman (he can't recall her name, but it's likely Jane Goodall) documentary-maker that believes there is an undiscovered primate in America.<br />
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Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NmCmfdFAhQ (Jane Goodall on Bigfoot, 27th September 2002)<br />
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01:43:17<br />
Warren: "Yeah well you see this is where I'm not with the argument on that. I'm with that this is a tribe of some sort of being and I think. I tell you what there's a lot of human to it this is my opinion. And I've read other research. You know there's a habitation they call these things where these things live and they are studied very closely by ummm.<br />
I'll tell you a story that I - second multiple-y second-hand uhh that I find really disturbing here is that yeah I mention the 'Missing-411' by David Paulides".<br />
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01:43:50<br />
Warren: "And his organisation and I guess he's ex-law enforcement. There are very smart people behind a lot of UFO you know studying this stuff and uhhh applying very scientific methods because you know mainstream science ain't gonna touch none of this because they're dependent on FUNDING from authorities but I did believe the knowledge that these creatures exist in North America and Canada. In fact around the world in one form or another. Yowies they're called in Australia."<br />
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01:44:19<br />
Warren: "Uhh it's mind-blowing because I I think as 'uman beings we are the most IGNORANT bunch of critters runnin' around..." (Host interrupts saying 'It's Jane Goodall')... "Okay good ...Goodall..well..." (Host: "She believes there's an undiscovered primate or Bigfoot or whatever")<br />
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01:44:35<br />
Warren: "Okay well that that's great and she knows her business definitely but I would love ..is she alive still? I mean but she's a legend obviously. But I would uhhh really wonder what she would think of myself and wha..again I don't even have a picture and even if I did they'd say it was a lighthouse in an ape suit. You know like Rendlesham's a lighthouse. I just put them together and then..."(indistinct)<br />
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01:44:58<br />
Host states that Jane Goodall is still alive and 81.<br />
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Warren: "Eighty-one rest her heart. Well she umm you know obviously someone that knows this stuff but I from what I I this thing I don't believe and the Native Americans never they don't call them an ape uhhh they there's something weird. I'd say they're a lot of 'uman and a lot of weird and now you must know that their DNA has been af... one hundred per cent confirmed as being 'uman and unknown."<br />
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01:45:28<br />
Warren: "And that's Melba Ketchum she's a errr a biologi.. what's it that people do DNA?"<br />
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(Editor note: Ketchum actually said that it was a cross with "an unknown primate species" as below).<br />
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<a href="http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/the_ketchum_project_what_to_believe_about_bigfoot_dna_science">What to believe about Bigfoot. Ketchum Project.</a><br />
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01:45:33<br />
Warren: "She's a doctor and is a big team and they've had alleged pieces. Now I'd like to see more of her work but the three markers and I'm not an expert on this on DNA markers show that this thing is 'uman and an unknown something. But not ape."<br />
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(Editor note: So what is a 'primate' then as mentioned by Dr. Ketchum if not an ape?)<br />
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01:45:52<br />
Warren: "There's never been an ape (indistinct) found in North America by the way."<br />
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The host mentions the Yeti in Russia. Apparently Putin went looking for the Yeti.<br />
(Editor note: Is Yeti not associated with Nepal and Tibet?)<br />
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01:46:5804Warren (from a distance): "I'd like him to find it." Back to microphone: "And it can put its big foot up his little you-know-what. What a clown that guy is. He just stuns me he he he is amazing. I'm not a fan."<br />
01:46:22<br />
Host mentions a comment in the chat room about the creature running almost as if it was off the ground. 'When you view different time lines it tends to do that and the ground levels look different.' He's also asking 'do you see ghosts?'<br />
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(Editor note: We are aware of people seeing entities appearing at different levels according to the time from which they manifest.)<br />
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LONG PAUSE.<br />
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01:46:38<br />
Warren: "Ummmm (laughs) that that's fascinating what he just said cos it it well that's that really kinda works for me a little bit.<br />
As far as ghosts I've had a few things I think we lived in a my first wife and I lived in a house that had someone. I saw it when I thought I woke up at night and thought there was an old lady in our bedroom door and my ex who was in medicine not a doctor but in medicine she uhh my first wife saw it uhhh this woman and shape."<br />
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01:47:10<br />
Warren: "Uhh have you ever have a toilet seat that just doesn't stay up? <br />
We have all had one of them in our lives (we have? -ed.) but we had one of those.<br />
And one day we were just sittin' there (on the toilet together? - ed.) and we'd see chairs move and I'd lose my house keys and they'd be moved. All kinda little things. And uhh what we found out is our landlord Pete it was probably his mother who had lived in that apartment because some of the behaviours uhh. His wife Gladys was a teacher. Why do I remember these people's names?<br />
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01:47:41<br />
Warren: "And uhh so yeah I think I did see something. I do believe ummm that happens. I don't know what umm frankly I don't want to hang around when some got in the house some place. But I yeah yeah I have seen a lot of unusual things and in in my life and I'm a repeater."<br />
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01:47:57<br />
Warren: "And you know you're not some view it as well if you're lucky enough to even see anything you know is that uhhh I have no answers for it but I've seen things and you still scratch your head. I'd say the only people who avoid in this world I say keep an open mind when people tell you cos I'm sure even the worst sceptic has someone in their family that has experienced something unusual in this genre one way or another."<br />
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01:48:23<br />
Warren: "Or or debunking. There's a difference between sceptic and debunkers. America gave birth to one of the most vile of them which was Philip J. Klass. Uhh I went toe to toe to him a number of times back in the 80s. He was a man that would write absolute lies about people and bullied a woman - women witnesses. His his bag was the UFO thing. He wrote for Aviation Week. He was a shill and a stooge for whover stirs the pot.<br />
And probably didn't know the reality or if he did he was on a little bit of a payroll. But they're vile type of people."<br />
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01:49:03<br />
Warren: "Then there's the sceptic. Now I'm a sceptic. Cos I ask myself questions. Now when you gave an opinion like a guy in the (indistinct) in the Roger Patterson I think different but that is cool. You know, I wasn't there. I could be wrong. You could be wrong... (Host tried to interrupt) and that's cool because"... (host succeeds in interrupting and saying that it is his opinion!)<br />
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01:49:24<br />
Warren: (from a distance again): "And that's cool and I (back at microphone) respect that with people.<br />
A debunker is a different thing. A debunker (indistinct) with personal attacks on witnesses. Uhh they will twist the any evidence the witness can bring forward and often there's not a lot that will suffice them.<br />
Again you're stuck with what you've seen in your own mind and then you've come to terms with it saying I've seen it. I know I saw it. And ummm I'll never know exactly what it is and frankly a lot of this stuff I don't want to know. It's a little disturbing."<br />
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01:49:57<br />
Warren: "The Missing-411 I'm not promoting David Paulides but please check out this guy I mean folks if you're listening and his work and..... "<br />
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Warren goes on at length about the research into the massive national parks in the USA and how children have gone missing, as have adults, and that there is a coverup of the whole business.<br />
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01:53:17<br />
Host says that they've come to the last three minutes of the show (oh joyousness!! - ed.) He asks Warren if there is any information that he wants to give to listeners.<br />
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LONG PAUSE<br />
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01:53:31<br />
Warren: "Yeah I you know I don't know the links for any of this I think that people are pretty savvy on you know. Uhh our book is Left at East Gate and I'm not tryin' to and you know Rendlesham Forest did happen it wasn't a lighthouse and it was of extreme national security to America and to uhhh the people of Great Britain.<br />
Do not base your knowledge on this on Youtube videos. You have to read many sources and decide for yourself what works for you."<br />
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01:53:59<br />
Warren: "But you are folks being lied to by the government on well we all know it right on so many levels. Keep an open mind. Have a great life. And see ya on the big screen. I don't know. Hahahaha I've enjoyed the show."<br />
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01:54:15<br />
Host winds up the broadcast thanking Warren and mentions the word "attacked."<br />
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01:54:23<br />
Warren: "I don't get attacked in my face, mate. You know I'm not a wilting lily but unfortunately and I was warned by a woman named Betty Andreasson. I I did not seek this out but she said you know when you go public and I never knew Rendlesham would all turn into what it did it was I just wanted to talk to someone outside my family which were not really into any of this. They're supportive but it wasn't their bag. Uhh they knew something happened to me in the military but I think it disturbs parents right?<br />
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01:54:49<br />
Warren: "And their world view got kinda weirded out but the umm you know at the end of the day uhh I knew you know you DO get attacked. You you're particularly with this because there is so much evidence. It's a threat to some people and some people just like to attack.<br />
But if someone ever wants to debate in person or uhh discuss things I'm a very amicable kinda guy and if I can't have an answer for something then I'll say I don't know."<br />
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01:55:15<br />
Warren: "And that's ninety per cent of I don't know what happened there. I don't know what the Bigfoot was but I know it was not a guy in a suit or you know a lighthouse or you know misidenti it was just something that shouldn't be in western New York State running at thirty miles an hour. Laughs. So I just live with that. The attacks uhhh unfortunately always happen behind your back and at great distance. That's thanks to the internet. So many cowards can stay in mum's basement and keep typin' and that's what you deal with. I don't bother with people like that.<br />
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01:55:48<br />
Host thanks Warren saying that he, Warren, covered more topics than any other guest previously on the show.<br />
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01:55:59<br />
Warren: "It's it's been a weird life and I wouldn't trade it for a thing! But it's all true which is even weirder. Bursts out laughing.<br />
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HOST SIGNS OFF<br />
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There are more versions, I will add them when I find them.<br />
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The book Left at East Gate was pulled by the publisher. Gary Heseltine tells people that both authors asked for it to be pulled but that is another lie. When Peter Robbins couldn't ignore what I had written anymore and after talking with Warren about the John Lennon photo, when Warren told Peter "The pict is real Pete", Peter got in touch with Cosimo and informed them.<br />
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When I heard Peter had done so through the grapevine, I also sent them some material. Eventually they pulled the book from sale. First of all they suspended it, that was in October, in November Warren contacted them and said pull it. If you read the reasoning in the below announcement, you will see it is being pulled because of embellishments and inaccuracies. Warren told them he wanted it pulling because he lied in it? No. Warren told them to pull it 20 days AFTER it was suspended.<br />
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I do not claim to be a serious researcher. Gary gives me these titles so he can take them off me again. The crimes Warren has committed over his lifetime, he deserves jail time in my opinion. You make up your own mind based on what you have seen in this blog. the only defence Gary has against me is to paint a picture of a broken and twisted freak.<br />
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If people decide they don't like me, I can live with that, what I can't live with is the lies of this man. I had to be able to live in my own skin again after fighting his corner for him, after promoting him and telling people how wrong they were. How wrong was I? So you can think what you like, but I had to do this. I had to show you who he really is and what he does to people.<br />
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The contents of this blog are as minimal as possible. I have about 50 times the material set out here. this is a truncation. I will endeavour to add more material as time goes on and will then cut this into sections. When the film Capel Green is released I will know which Narrative Warren has chosen to tell and will be able to further dissect that narrative and show you where there are problems.<br />
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I am not interested in any of the other witnesses, I believe they are legitimate so I will not be discussing those people unless they lie and place themselves with Warren at any point in their story telling, I will then only show why that was not possible. I am literally not interested in talking about anyone else because this is about the Lies of Larry Warren and the massive fraud he is perpetrating.<br />
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Gary Heseltine says there is no evidence against Warren. My behaviour is not normal, I love Larry and I flipped because I can't have him. This information is all coming from one woman, the lead femal troll as he refers to me now, I am a sychophant and this is all just Fatal Attraction stuff and my behaviour is creepy.<br />
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Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-52403786081022006842019-09-17T13:18:00.003+01:002022-12-29T14:04:36.352+00:00Mr Illuminaughty and The Nude World Order's bid to monopolise Capel Green. <div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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Lets not beat about the bush. Some of my new detractors really are very special people. I am trying to decide which category of special, there are so many they could and would slide into.<br />
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Tim Acheson calls himself a neutral party in all the Capel Green nonsense. As you can see in the screen shot above he is totally impartial and unbiased.<br />
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The problem I have with Tim Acheson jumping all over me, bloviating his wordy salad endlessly, is that in all of his bloviation he is stomping on my life, telling people I am a troll and so are my friends.<br />
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I dare you to go ask a question I have asked of them. Your comment will be deleted, your question left unanswered, you will be called a troll and you will be blocked. Or you will be told, wait for Capel Green. We are all waiting... how many trailers?<br />
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Recently Larry Warren has resurrected a BBC3 documentary I did about the 7/7 bombings, he is telling people I support terrorism. The fact of the matter is, having seen those lads every week at my next door neighbours, sitting on my garden wall, how polite they were, they went to Mosque and did a lot of good work in the community with disadvantaged kids of all nationalities.<br />
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No, I didn't believe it at all. I COULDN'T, my brain wouldn't let me. How do I know he had resurrected it? Apart from people telling me... this. This was said to me yesterday on Facebook <a href="https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157726843404744&id=735809743">on Nick Popes page</a> on his post about a possible scam alert. You do not have to have a Facebook page to see a public post.<br />
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Lots of people think 9/11 was an inside job, does that mean they support the terrorists? No it does not. Thinking 911 is an inside job is fine, thinking 7/7 was an inside job means you support terrorists according to Warren's logic and you deserve to be murdered for thinking that way.<br />
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The messages above were sent to Mick Sayer in April 2017, Mick was the person who discovered the UFO on the faked A10 photo. He was sent these messages because Malky assumed Mick had sent me something he had said. Everything he said about me was violent hate speech. He made all these threats to Mick, then told him if he retaliated in any way, he would come for me.<br />
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The black dot is my house number, the following line of text was my home address that Larry Warren gave him and lots of other people too, in the hope that harm would come to myself. Seeing as it is my HOME ADDRESS my whole family could end up murdered.<br />
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He hands out my home address and tells people I am a terrorist lover. Let that sink in for a minute.<br />
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Now I have discovered Warren's lies I know that I was totally deluded and believed what I wanted to believe. I used to think I could look at someone and know if they were telling me the truth, I used to believe Stan Romanek and Bob Lazar when I first came onto the scene. Thought I knew what was what. I learned a lot about myself this past few years, not all of it good, my critical thinking, just wasn't.<br />
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We believe what we want to believe and that is the truth. We ALL do it. People do it now with Warren, they CHOOSE to believe him and ignore or disparage me. They ignore me out of a sense of loyalty to Warren, just like I did for the nine years we were friends. I made excuse after excuse at any inconsistency. He was messed with, he has PTSD, his mind is mashed etc etc. He plays on that and none of it is true.<br />
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What Warren does is he rallies people around him, he is so pissed off at me right now, so pissed off his mouth is dangerous. He wants you to believe I hate America and I love terrorists and has tried to tie me to every terror attack in the world.<br />
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Why would anyone do that? Lets explore. He wants me dead so I can't speak. There you go, that is the answer.<br />
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Every time YOU say what Warren says, or don't say hang on a minute that is a bit much, you enable him. When you carry his torch while he is saying those things, YOU are participating. When people said Ani Erotika had sex with a dog I told them to keep the facts straight, she masturbated while telling a story of having sex with a dog. Nice. But the facts matter.<br />
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Consider this. What if Warren's wish comes true? I am murdered, my children burned to death in their beds, and there is an investigation. You will ALL BE GUILTY of hate crimes. Malicious communications, harassment and incitement to violence, manslaughter and outright murder.<br />
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Do you even consider that when you open your dangerous mouth on behalf of a man you haven't even met?<br />
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Do you realise the only thing you are defending are your own beliefs, your thoughts, your decision making processes and critical thinking? Is that worth me being murdered?<br />
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Your emotions come through in your hatred of me for a man you do not even know and the few of you who do, you don't know him either.<br />
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You do not know the devil you dance with. You chose to make up an aggregate structure in your mind based on your own beliefs, not who he actually is.<br />
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Tim Acheson has placed himself at the head of this campaign, currently he is the main yakking head of this part of the journey, those of you who have followed this mess have seen them come and go.<br />
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At first thry are full of themselves, sure they are onto a winner, eventually they exhaust themselves and blow up in their own faces, then they slope off and rarely bother me again. Well this guy is so sure he is going to make a difference... He is the latest self chosen one.<br />
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Tim doesn't realise they are having him spout already debunked and thoroughly laughed at bullshit that comes from Warren's mouth. Stuff that is now years old being resurrected by Tim Acheson on behalf of Larry Warren.<br />
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For e.g, Michael Black is a friend who commented on his page, Tim says my partner is Michael Black, they did this two years ago. Anyone who comments against them must be me or Dave using a fake account. Utter rubbish and they know that. Tim doesn't. Tim doesn't know anything that has happened.<br />
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They let him go out there and make a fool of himself on their behalf. Cosseted by the few hundred people who still believe them. They think the view of the few is the view of the many. How wrong they are. They care nothing for Tim, they just want him to Sacha bash.<br />
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Eventually we got sick of Tim spewing rhetoric, after more than a few people said "Who the hell is this guy anyway"? We went to look and boy did we find.<br />
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Mr Moral high ground is a porn star. No biggy. Pardon the pun. No biggy until you see the titles. He says I am picking on his wife, nope... this is all about Tim, and his life, seeing as he thinks he is an expert on mine but offers only gossip.<br />
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Time for some HARD facts. When we looked at their Internet presence Jesus fucking Christ what is wrong with them both? Dogs, Step son, own son, daddy and daughters friend.<br />
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They think they can take the moral high ground over me! They know nothing but gossip about me but I can see who they are, I need to bleach my mind but I can see them for what they are. I have made the images as small as possible, if you wish to read them, click on them.<br />
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Tim, you have a child!!! Your Twitter feed is nasty, pretending she isn't your wife in some posts to sell stuff, that stuff being your wife's genitals, because lets face it, the only reason you have jumped on this is for publicity.<br />
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You think the people in the UFO community are wrong in the head which is why you pitch your incest videos at them. Is that what you think of people Tim?<br />
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I cannot imagine for a second anyone in your family is happy with this. I know what I would do if you were the father of my child. One day your child will be on the internet and all they have to do is a simple google search of your name. On your own head be it.<br />
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Tim spams pages in UFO groups with porn! He is as bad as Warren who tells stories of Rock Stars so he can sell memorabilia, UFOs and Bigfoot to the UFO community because he wants to sell himself to everyone.<br />
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Only the UFO community is interested in UFOs not Tim's wife's genitalia, or his own for that matter. He even had the audacity to talk about his private life when he doesn't even have private parts!<br />
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They pander to perversion and promote that perversion in the UFO community. They have no respect for anything, not even themselves. They wanted publicity. Here it is, for free.<br />
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They can really promote themselves on the back of Capel Green when it comes out, they can sell all their sex stories of daddy and daughter, daddy and daughters friend, mommy and step son, mum and own son... WTF.<br />
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These people are the current, public face of Capel Green and they think that you are all depraved and want you to buy into their Internet industry. They also want you to believe there is something wrong with me.<br />
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If you join in with Warren then you are supporting everything he has said and done in the past, you are joining in actual terrorism. That is the ONLY reason someone would hand over a persons address while telling you the people at that address are terrorists.<br />
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He is turning YOU into terrorists because his deliberate behaviour is to leave me and my family in a state of terror and anxiety and the Police will not help.<br />
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According to Warren, they will not help me because his brother in law is in the Firearms Division of Merseyside police. He said that he acted as emissary to Merseyside Police when he took over a Police helmet and some sew on badges to a Police precinct in New York as a show of solidarity from British Police to American Police.<br />
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When I reported the harrassment from Malky Smithson, of him telling me to go kill myself and handing out my address to someone I only know on Facebook, a WPC came to my home and shouted at me for forty minutes.<br />
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Merseyside Police and the makers of Capel Green leave me no choice but to do what I do. I will not be bullied off the scene and if any harm comes to me then the whole world will know how it came to my front door.<br />
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You are ALL COMPLICIT and I have every screenshot, they are ALL with someone who WILL assist the Police in their murder enquiries because it seems that without a death, they will do nothing, because Warren is family and they have been told by those people that I am just a crazy lady, which is why the police came to my house FOUR TIMES on welfare checks but refused to do anything about the people attacking me, handing out my home address and threatening my life.<br />
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They point blank refused to take a statement from me on behalf of Bradford police. The WPC said "I don't work for Bradford Police", a complaint to the IPCC was pointless, the Police policing the Police, is that a joke? Yes it is. They allowed me to be gangstalked.<br />
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If you wish to complain to Merseyside Police about this please do. <a href="https://www.merseysidepcc.info/home/contact/contact-the-police.aspx">Merseyside Police</a> If you're calling from outside Merseyside you can call them on 0151 709 6010.<br />
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Ask yourself, where is the counter evidence?<br />
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Ask yourself do you KNOW what you are saying is TRUE or have you just HEARD IT?<br />
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If you do not KNOW then shut up spreading dangerous lies, because if anything happens to me, you are all guilty, you are all complicit in crimes against me for a stranger, but the truth is, it's your pride and intellect you are defending. You don't care about Warren and Warren doesn't care about you. Only what you can do to enable him.<br />
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Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-13015470964338385812019-09-11T14:46:00.002+01:002019-09-22T12:33:41.405+01:00The 1986 transcript of the conversation Larry Warren had with Ben Jamieson and Linda Moulton Howe in full. He denies this took place. <div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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On Sunday the 9th of September 2019 I spoke at the Halt Returns to Woodbridge conference in Suffolk, England. I used various written works, interviews and conference talks to show Warren is a liar. that he tells contradictory versions of events and blatantly stole and told many lies about the time he spent with Adrian Bustinza.<br />
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One of the pieces of written material I used was the transcript of the conversation he had with Linda Moulton Howe and Ben Jamieson in 1986. To my mind this is one of the most important interviews because of the content. He says he took Adrian's account and told it as his own and told many more ridiculous stories including how Adrian had told him he had seen a giant something in a cape in the forest. Warren admitted he never even seen those space things. Meaning, he saw nothing, Adrian saw it all, Adrian told him and warren told it as if it was his own. If it turns out to be untrue it is because Adrian Bustinza lied to him. For many years he has said he never said he saw aliens, he has stated on stage in front of hundreds of people the underground thing never happened, he never said it, apart from the fact he wrote an entire chapter in the book Left at East Gate.<br />
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I knew he would say he hadn't had this conversation so I showed two screenshots of the emails between myself, Larry Warren and Linda where he thanks Linda for finding the tape. As you can see in my email I asked for a copy of the tape, one was not forthcoming. I am hoping that will change in the near future. For now you will have to read the transcript without Audio. This transcript has been available since the beginning of 2010 on Linda's Earthfiles site. Larry actually responded once so he can't now say he never said anything in it. I will post the first response after the lengthy transcript.<br />
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“Art Wallace” story about his experiences in the RAF Bentwaters Rendlesham Forest phenomena on December 27, 1980, I had an invitation by New York mathematics professor, Benton Jamison, to join him privately in New Haven, Connecticut, for a discussion with “Art Wallace,” former USAF Airman 1st class, Larry Warren. Our another Larry Warren Recorded Interview On May 18, 1986 Two and a half years after the joint interview with two tape recorders running was on May 18, 1986.<br />
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Until now, I have never made that recording public. But I think it is extremely valuable to share this 24-year-old interview now after more RAF Bentwaters eyewitnesses have come forward, including more about the December 27th Shift Commander's fear and tears after a light entered her car, and Col. Charles Halt going on the record in a June 25, 2009, press release to say the light phenomena encountered by USAF military personnel December 26 - 28, 1980, were “extraterrestrial in origin.” In 1986, Ben Jamison and I were trying to understand all the discrepancies about dates and different descriptions of events by at least half a dozen military personnel who had by then been interviewed by reporter Chuck De Caro for a CNN Special Investigations broadcast about the 1980 RAF Bentwaters events and apparent government cover-up.<br />
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I have also discussed with author Peter Robbins my reprinting in the Earthfiles Real X-Files the following 1986 interview with Larry Warren because Larry revealed for the first time to Ben Jamison and me that he was talking about not only his own firsthand experience, but had mixed in with his descriptions the trauma of Sgt. Adrian Bustinza that left Adrian sobbing on his bunk bed.<br />
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Larry explained that Sgt. Bustinza did not want to talk to anyone, so Larry said he would get Adrian's story out mixed with his own in order to protect Adrian. To date, Sgt. Bustinza has never spoken about his own experiences on or off the record. Back in 1986, Larry insisted there was only one night of events on December 27, 1980.<br />
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We now know from so many other USAF personnel, who were also involved in the RAF Bentwaters phenomena, that there were definitely 72 hours of events from the early morning of December 26 to December 28, 1980 - and even beyond into January 1981. [ See July 29, 2005 Earthfiles. ]<br />
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I began by asking Larry Warren how much of what he was going to tell us was conscious, given the 1983 first releases as “Art Wallace” in which he said he “seemed to black out” while standing next to a craft from which non-human beings emerged.<br />
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Interview: May 18, 1986, Larry Warren, New Haven, Connecticut: “I was conscious all of the way. Obviously, there are things you don’t know about this. Never unconscious then. I’ve never been unconscious ever.<br />
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{Sacha edit. the capitalised questions are LMH, further along in the transcript the capitalisation ends and the questioner is named, either Warren, Howe, Jamieson}<br />
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SO THE STORY ABOUT YOUR WAKING UP MUDDY AND WET AS YOU SAID IN THE BBC VIDEOTAPE – YOU SAID, ‘I WAS LOOKING AT MY SHADOW AND IT MOVED. AND THEN I BLACKED OUT.’ TO ME, THAT WOULD BE GOING UNCONSCIOUS.<br />
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Right, but it’s not true! What was happening at that time, I didn’t know who I was dealing with. I do know how things happen around this phenomena and how people can be dishonest. I thought at the time the best way to talk about what I saw was to talk about the incident of the ship.<br />
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The easiest way to omit an alien or any life form was to say I blacked out. That was simple. As soon as the BBC interview finished in New York, Larry Fawcett (co- author Clear Intent: The UFO Cover-Up © May 1984 by Lawrence Fawcett and Barry J. Greenwood) and I were coming backing in the car on I-95 into Connecticut. Fawcett said to me, ‘I know there is more. You are not telling me everything.’ I said, ‘Larry, that was it! I don’t want to say anymore.’ Larry said, ‘You didn’t black out. You saw aliens, didn’t you?’ I said, ‘Yes, I saw something.’ Now Clear Intent was going to print soon after and I said any inconsistencies in my Bentwaters story was to protect myself that one time with the BBC. And then Larry was pushing me with, ‘I know there is more to it. I’ve been told by other people there was more to it.’ There was never any unconsciousness for me. I was conscious the whole time – unless something happened I’m not aware of. But my saying I blacked out saved me at that time from having to talk about any life form when this Bentwaters case was not that well known.<br />
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ON SEPTEMBER 19, 1983, BILL MOORE (Roswell 1947 crash investigator and author) VISITED ME IN DENVER. I HAD STARTED ON THE HBO DOCUMENTARY PROJECT, UFOS: THE E. T. FACTOR, THAT SPRING. IN THAT SEPTEMBER 1983 MEETING, MOORE GAVE ME DESCRIPTIONS OF TWO DIFFERENT NON-HUMANS AT BENTWATERS. BY OCTOBER 1983, I WAS IN WASHINGTON, D. C., AND MET WITH A GOVERNMENT GUY WHO SAID HE HAD SEEN PHOTOGRAPHS FROM ONE OF THE NIGHTS AT RAF BENTWATERS AND THAT ONE OF THE TYPES WAS ‘GROTESQUE’ AND THE GOVERNMENT DIDN’T WANT EARTH TO BE INTRODUCED TO SUCH E.T.S. INSTEAD, THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO TAILOR EVERYTHING AROUND THE GREY TYPES THAT WERE ALSO DESCRIBED THERE AT BENTWATERS. THEN IN FEBRUARY 1984 ABOUT FOUR MONTHS LATER, I WAS TOLD THIS: ‘LARRY WARREN’S STORY WILL CHANGE BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN TOLD TO MUDDY THE WATERS.’<br />
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No, my story has never changed.<br />
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DID ANYONE FROM AN INTELLIGENCE AGENCY OR MILITARY UNIT ORDER YOU TO MUDDY THE WATERS?<br />
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No, they just said, ‘Don’t talk about it.’ It was that simple on the RAF Bentwaters base the next morning in a debriefing. That was it.<br />
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AT RAF BENTWATERS? Yes. BUT THERE WAS THE RANDOLPH TELEPHONE CALL WHERE THE GUY SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE IT WOULD BE EASIER IF YOU LAID OFF OF ALL THIS BECAUSE HE COULDN’T GET SOME OF YOUR RECORDS?<br />
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That is true. He was a tech sergeant or something. I spoke to a captain at great length earlier in he day. I was fed up with trying after I had just gotten back to Connecticut at that time. It was in the fall. WAS IT 1983? I think it was fall 1983 because I had just started talking after I met Betty Andreasson (abduction syndrome), who is now Betty Andreasson Luca. The circumstance about how this all happened and I came out as a source of information – it was a fluke.<br />
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SO YOU HAD NOT TALKED WITH ANYONE BEFORE BETTY ANDREASSON?<br />
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Some of my friends and family – and only my mother. I didn’t tell my father about it because I didn’t think he would believe me. But after he saw what was happening to me afterward – my father is an executive, a senior vice president with an insurance company in Connecticut. He’s a very straight type of guy, completely by the book. I didn’t want him to think I had been thrown out of the USAF for anything derogatory because I wasn’t thrown out. I have a fully honorable discharge, great service record. But eventually I had to sit down with my dad and say, ‘Here’s what happened.’ He told me, ‘I have no choice but to believe you.’ And then we got into other things and he found more and more and he began to lose a few friends himself because he had some highly placed government friends and things changed. But my family was basically supportive.<br />
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Debriefing by “Armed Forces Intelligence Service” What happened to me – the only time I was told was the next day after the incident – and I’m on the record with you now – I was told as we were all debriefed, signed a bunch of papers. The guys who did the debriefing and collected papers were from the Armed Forces Intelligence Service and I also heard Naval Intelligence different times, but the debriefers identified themselves as Armed Forces Intelligence, whatever that is. They were in plain clothes. It was not an intense thing where you’re under a spotlight. There was some laughing and some jokes, very light – they never mentioned the aliens or UFO – nothing like that.<br />
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GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THEY SAID.<br />
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A lot of it was going over military rhetoric about regulations concerning dissemination of information and how we were not to use the phones to talk about the incident, how we were not supposed to write in letters. I sent two letters to my mother, which she never received. That was the first time someone didn’t get a letter from me. If I get defensive or you hear a tone in my voice, it’s only because of five years of this. I know Ben here. Ben has heard a million different things. He knows my end of this story. I knew him ten or eleven years ago when I was a kid. Anyway, back on misinformation or if I was ever told to talk to muddy the waters – never once! The debriefing thing was more or less that we saw a film – which I keep away from – but we saw.<br />
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I HAVE WHOLE NOTES ABOUT THAT FILM.<br />
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Well, I saw it, I watched it. There was no narration. It was a half-hour or 45 minutes or maybe an hour film. I don’t remember the length because it was – to me, the way I look at it – I believed in UFOs. I don’t know how intensely, but I had seen something in 1974 with my mother. That was the first time to see something, but ever since I was a kid I’ve had an interest. I read a book on the subject just as a kid’s interest. Then that interest faded through the late 1970s – nothing. I just went on and didn’t think about it anymore. But anyway, the debriefing was very mellow and light until the very end. At the very end, our Security Police Commander came in the room, Malcolm Zickler. The intelligence people there, whoever they were, they looked civilian, turned around and they said to us as a group, ‘You can push this. You can leave the service and you can tell what happened, but it’s going to gain you no ground. People are going to laugh at you.’ And they never mentioned the name where the incident took place, Rendlesham Forest! People were getting mad saying, ‘Well, what the hell happened to us? What did we see?’<br />
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“Bullets Are Cheap” Malcolm Zickler and the other intelligence agents got around with all this propaganda about our loyalty to the country and went on different subjects and mental games, you know? Zickler comes out and says, ‘If you make it too difficult for us,’ – and this is the one quote I’ll remember for the rest of my life – ‘If you make it too difficult for us, bullets are cheap.’ And we all laughed. That was the sick part of it – we all laughed along. They said, ‘The government – there are millions of ways that your life can be made miserable if you make it miserable for us.’ While everyone was laughing, they said, ‘Sign these papers, a whole hoard of papers, a lot of which we were not allowed to read! We had to just keep going and going with our signatures on all pre-typed – everyone of us had our own personal pre-typed report and everyone had the same thing on each of our papers. We were not allowed to associate with each other publicly or privately. We were to call to a number every morning at 11:30 AM (because I worked nights) to check in. That was another strange thing. You’d call in – I got away from it for awhile because I went to Egypt, but I mean, the day after the debriefing, we all kept calling in and you’d get this voice. First it was Central Security Control (CSC). I said, ‘This is Airman Warren.’ They would say,’Just a minute’ and clicked the phone and it would go to something else in another relay. All of a sudden it would be picked up by a guy who sounded like a diamond salesman back here in Connecticut – that kind of voice. He would get on the phone and say, ‘How are you doing?’ I said, ‘Fine.’ He’d ask, ‘Are you sleeping well?’ ‘Yes.’ ‘Are you talking to anybody or is anyone asking you questions?’ And I said, ‘Yes, of course, all the time, every minute! You go into the chow hall or a bowling alley and people are on you because they know the shift you worked. And a lot of people were joking and making fun. We were checked for radiation, too, with a Geiger counter. None of us had a reading, but this kid had something in his pocket or hand. The Disaster Preparedness people ran a Geiger counter and took whatever the kid had away from him. I don’t know if it was a rock or what it was, but it gave readings and the kid had picked it up from the Rendlesham Forest site of all the phenomena. What he had, I don’t know. And all of that was rather informal.<br />
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DO YOU HAVE ANY MEMORY OF THE PEOPLE WHO DEBRIEFED YOU? No. DID THEY USE ANY NAMES?<br />
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Yes, they identified themselves as Agent ... and then their last names, Special Agent whatever. I can remember them. One guy had black hair that was all on the side. Another guy had hair kind of like mine with a receding hairline, blondish hair with gray - older, I’d say 35 to 40 years of age, tall, heavy set, big guys. WERE ALL THE AGENTS TALL? Yes, there were two of them, very tall. They looked like your CIA types in the movies. I’d never seen anyone like that before then. I’m 5-feet 9-inches, so they had to be 6 feet or a little taller. I think one guy had to be 6-feet 4-inches, tall like Ben Jamison is.<br />
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WERE YOU THE ONLY ONE IN THE ROOM WITH THOSE TWO?<br />
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No, it was with a whole group. I was never spoken to alone ever. I had a gate guard tell me, at one of the main gates of RAF Bentwaters that is no longer there for some reason, he told me later on that afternoon after we had been debriefed, he said: ‘I’ve never seen so much Naval Intelligence here on this base.’ We had the Secretary of the Air Force and I saw the United States of America official jet. We had some big people come and I also saw Carter- it was in the transition<br />
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period between Presidents Carter and Reagan. Carter had a report on the base that morning after events about what happened – or at least that was told to us. We were told that the U. S. President is fully aware of the circumstance and incidents happening here at RAF Bentwaters. That was the closest authorities got to saying we had really experienced something. But for the most part, they played it all down to us. And there was psychological warfare. You really felt your mind being twisted around! They debriefed different ranks at different times, too. I think I was very outspoken. I was taken off duty eventually, not for any derogatory reason. I was put into an administrative office for security police because I can type. They said they needed someone to fill in and I said I would be glad to. So, I did all this administrative stuff and I hated the job really, too. I should have gone to college, but I had signed up for six years! I didn’t want to do this (administrative work). But also because of the way they treated us after the Rendlesham incident. We were watched every minute. There were people trying to set up drug busts on me and I’m not a drug user. I had only smoked marijuana when I was in high school and only a couple of times. I’m not a saint. And I drank beer, but I’m not a drug user. And when I was in the U. S. Air Force, I used nothing.<br />
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BUT AFTER THE BENTWATERS EVENT, AUTHORITIES TRIED TO CONCOCT A SCHEME TO DISCREDIT YOU?<br />
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On the base after the incident, I was in an office and kept talking. Every time I saw someone come in, I would start to mention what happened and they would look at me like in that movie about the Invasion of the Body Snatchers and - people changed! They just weren’t the same people. I couldn’t talk to – Adrian Bustinza was the one I knew really the most out of this. I had only been on base about one month when the incident happened. I had been in the U. S. Air Force for only ten or eleven months by then. Anyway, in 1983, I had been trying to get back into the military. I had gone to Congressmen. I had gone to Senators. I called the Pentagon. I sent letters out, including to the U. S. President. I had gone through every aspect. I was becoming an idiot because I was so obsessed with why is this happening to me. And I never put together at that point in 1982 to 1983 why I was being red taped and brick walled everywhere I went. Most military people I knew were not surprised. They said, ‘You’re pushing it? You’re talking about it?!’ I had a guy tell me, ‘I’m amazed you are still walking.’ I said, ‘I don’t like to think of my government that way.’ But the people who were in charge were very smart, a lot smarter than the 20-year-old kid I was. At that age, you think, ‘Oh, I can take this on and I can win it.’ But I couldn’t.”<br />
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“THE ROOM FOR THE DEBRIEFING (WITH MALCOLM ZICKLER), WAS WHERE?<br />
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The room was in Chief of Security’s office (Maj. Malcolm Zickler).<br />
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JOHN BURROUGHS?<br />
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Halt told me that John Burroughs grabbed the craft.<br />
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WAS JOHN BURROUGHS IN YOUR DEBRIEFING? No. WAS ADRIAN BUSTINZA IN THE OFFICE DEBRIEFING?<br />
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Adrian was there. He was a Staff Sergeant.<br />
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DID SGT. BUSTINZA SEE THE SAME FILM YOU SAW AT RAF BENTWATERS AFTER HIS ALASKA EXPERIENCE?<br />
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[ More about film in subsequent report.] When we were out there and we were going through the field to the site (of phenomena) and before I knew what was going on, Adrian said to me, ‘This is just like what happened to me in Alaska.’ But when Larry Fawcett (Citizens Against UFO Secrecy, CAUS) talked to Adrian, Adrian said, ‘No, I made a mistake. I meant California, at a base in California.” But I thought he told me at Bentwaters that it was like what happened to him in Alaska. Whatever happened to him before, Adrian said there were a lot of people at RAF Bentwaters that were at his previous base with OSI (Air Force Office of Special Investigations).<br />
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WHICH NIGHT DO YOU THINK YOU HAD YOUR RAF BENTWATERS EXPERIENCE?<br />
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I’ve never put a date on it because I chose not to. All I’ve ever said is that it was after Christmas and before New Year’s and there was only one night I knew about. I thought it was the same night that Col. Halt was in Rendlesham Forest.<br />
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[ Editor's Note: That was definitely December 28, 1980. However, Larry Warren remembered coming across the Shift Commander being treated by a medic and the only known such event was Lt. Bonnie Tamplin in the early morning hours of December 27, 1980. December 26, 1980, Staff Sgt. Jim Penniston and Airman John Burroughs encountered black, triangular craft in Rendlesham Forest and had 45 minutes of missing time; December 28, 1980, John Burroughs and Sgt. Adrian Bustinza both remember running towards red-orange light that told John seemed to lift Burroughs up into it. See: July 17, 2009 Earthfiles Parts 1 - 6; and September 3 and 17, 2009 Earthfiles Parts 1 - 2. ]<br />
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You see, I was in USAF Security Police and that base was buzzing the next day. Someone even went to the trouble of making a false landing site with false marks on the ground so nothing would be detected. Those people making the false landing site told me they were sent to do this! I asked, ‘Why?’ It was like a game. There were so many rumors swirling on the base and you couldn’t say anything. But I called my mother the very next day and that’s when I got in trouble.<br />
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DO YOU REMEMBER THE SUN COMING UP?<br />
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I remember the whole thing from the beginning. The flight before me – I was getting ready to go on duty. We got a knock on the door. It was the Supervisor of Security Police and he said ‘We’ve got an alert status. It’s a full alert. At the time, we were having trouble with Russia possibly moving into Poland and we were going to have a lot of alerts. So, we asked, ‘Do we need chemical warfare equipment?’ He said, ‘No, just bring flak vests and your alert bag and go to the bus.’ So, we picked up the bus. The whole flight would go out for duty, the shift. [ Larry Warren was in D Flight.] But not Adrian Bustinza - he was not on my shift. He worked a different shift. My shift all got to Central Security Control (CSC) and when that other shift came off duty, we had guard mount and everything. Guard mount checked you to see if you were under the influence of drugs, alcohol or anything – if anything is wrong, you are not issued a weapon because we were around nuclear weapons. That’s another thing about the issue of being on drugs. You’re gone, jack! They give you tests and everything before you’re even out there in security.<br />
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I was put on a permanent post that is only manned during a base alert. It was called Perimeter Post 18. It’s at the very bottom of the RAF Bentwaters flight line. That post is designated in the event of enemy aircraft trying to land on the base, on the field, during an attack, and you’re supposed to shoot them down. You’d live about three minutes there, I think! At that post, I started to hear all the talk by walkie-talkie from the Weapons Storage Area (WSA). We had a tower there that was 80 feet tall and we were about six miles from RAF Woodbridge. They are talking about lights! They are saying they see a red light over – I didn’t know it was Rendlesham Forest at that moment - but over near RAF Woodbridge base near the woods. The Flight Chief got on (the walkie-talkie frequency) and wanted coordinates and directions. He seemed very interested and I’m looking up in the sky and I couldn’t see anything. But they were in a tower so they could look out that direction above the trees.<br />
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WHO WAS THE FLIGHT CHIEF?<br />
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Sgt. Bobbie Ball. He came on and asked for coordinates and directions. Now at this point, I’m standing there and I hear rustling – there was kind of a little hill and then a fence and then the road and then up to where my post was with the flight line. And here comes something running out of the darkness – it’s like a thundering herd of some sort and they are deer. They are coming down the fence and two deer shot off this way up the fence line toward the Rod and Gun Club. Two deer jumped over the fence and ran up past my post. I could have touched them! Down the hill, the deer jumped the fence again and disappeared in a field. They were scared! There was no aircraft flying that night at RAF Bentwaters – none! Then I got picked up from my Perimeter Post 18 by Lt. Englund and Sgt. Adrian Bustinza. We got in the truck. They had to clear permission for me to leave my post. We drove to the motor pool and that’s when strange stuff started to happen.<br />
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IF IT WAS THE END OF ADRIAN BUSTINZA’S SHIFT, WHY DO YOU THINK HE WAS WITH LT. ENGLUND TO PICK YOU UP?<br />
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Because Lt. Englund worked Bustinza’s shift. They had a sighting – Bustinza had had his sighting already.<br />
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COULD THIS BE THE NIGHT OF THE TAPE RECORDING WITH LT. HALT (December 28, 1980)?<br />
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There were a number of objects involved with the landing, I’m sure. What Col. Halt recorded – I know a lot of it because I was very close to what was going on. A lot of the transmissions, some were the people I was with. Just in transmissions, you could hear, ‘Can we have permission to enter?’ ‘No, not at this time.’<br />
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THIS IS PUZZLING TO ME. THE TAPE RECORDING THAT EVERYONE SEEMS TO AGREE IS REAL ...<br />
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Yes, it is real, 100%. ...<br />
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DESCRIBES MEN IN THE FOREST TRYING TO EITHER FOLLOW LIGHTS OR TO WATCH A LIGHT THAT IS MOVING THROUGH THE TREES. THAT’S VERY DIFFERENT FROM BOTH YOUR AND OTHER EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OF THE ASPIRIN-SHAPED, 12-INCHES HIGH, 25 FEET WIDE, ALMOST TRANSPARENT OBJECT.<br />
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“Aspirin” Circle of Fog It was on the ground! People always said it floated, but it was not a solid thing. It was like a circle of fog! It was green and yellow and I always said it was 12 inches off the ground, but I meant it was 12 inches in height!<br />
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12 INCHES FROM THE GROUND UP.<br />
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Right. It never floated up in the air. It was like fog in a circle on the ground. I can tell you what definitely happened (that I experienced). John Burroughs and Adrian Bustinza and a third person I can’t name because I don’t know his name – they had seen an object just like Col. Halt’s report said down in the forest. They got permission to go out and had to leave weapons behind because it was off our USAF base territory. They get out there and see it and whatever happened as they got in close contact with it – at one point someone threw a big stick at it! I got this directly from the sources. It flew, kept maneuvering (in the trees) and would disappear at times and appear BEHIND them and then appear again IN FRONT! It was real mind boggling! I was also told that John Burroughs circled around, went down a little slope and then went up and the craft was kind of sitting there. The object was small. It was not the same thing I saw (aspirin-shaped fog). John Burroughs grabbed the craft, or touched it, and it moved. I don’t know if John was on it. There were no ramps. There was nothing. No windows. No identification on anything that was seen. John moved for a distance with the craft. It had a profound effect on him and John did not want to leave those woods. After like what I saw, you have no control. You are in awe! I handled it better than some officers that ran away. Now, think of that – I was an Airman 1st Class and there were some officers that ran off in the woods and leave you. This happened! Also, I could not move. I don’t know if it was from paralysis from fear or the shock of it. I knew what I was seeing! But I couldn't make it all register in my head somehow.<br />
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WERE PARTS OF YOUR BODY MOVING AND YOU DID NOT HAVE MENTAL CONTROL?<br />
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No, I had control. But I couldn’t do it as fast as I wanted. I had a watch. SLOW MOTION? I tried to look at my watch and I remember just numb – like everything fell asleep. I really felt weird! And other people did not feel that.<br />
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PROBABLY SELECTIVE MENTAL MANIPULATION – SOMETHING THAT THE NON-HUMANS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE VERY SKILLED AT DOING.<br />
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They must be skilled in a lot of things because I’ll tell you what happened. I was there – I know! This object came down. They saw it and it disappeared. They contacted Col. Halt, who came out with a number of people. General Gordon Williams was not involved yet. He was at a holiday party, a Christmas party. He was with a squadron that just came back from Germany and they were having a big celebration at the Officer’s Club. Gordon Williams got out there – remember I wasn’t on duty at this point. Col. Halt gets out there and this is Adrian Bustinza’s version of it. They all went out into the Rendlesham woods. They had Disaster Preparedness show up. They had Geiger counters and they found everything you hear on the tape (Halt’s audiotape). The landing site. The markings (in the ground).<br />
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IS THIS AROUND MIDNIGHT?<br />
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No, this first incident happened before midnight, around 10 PM. No matter what time Halt had on his report, the first part happened around 10 PM. YOU WERE WHERE THEN? I was still getting ready to go on duty.<br />
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AND GENERAL WILLIAMS IS AT THE CHRISTMAS PARTY.<br />
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Williams was at a Christmas party.<br />
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AND HALT AND BUSTINZA WERE TOGETHER?<br />
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Halt and Bustinza were together. Bustinza was security police who was patrolling a perimeter fence line. John Burroughs was like a cop-on-the-beat type of guy. And I<br />
think Burroughs was the first to report it and they got a few people to go out into the woods. Now, the incident that happened to them happened. Col. Halt responded to it. They investigated. They found evidence that something set down in that forest.<br />
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IS IT YOUR IMPRESSION THAT IT’S AT THIS TIME THAT JOHN BURROUGHS HAS AN INTERACTION WITH THE LIGHT, SEPARATE FROM WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE ‘ASPIRIN’? YOU SAID THAT JOHN BURROUGHS WENT UP AND TRIED TO TOUCH THE SMALL CRAFT?<br />
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When only three of them were in the woods, John Burroughs tried to grab the craft. What he did with it, I don’t know. It was a solid object and very small. But what I saw could not be amid those dense trees.<br />
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SO, JOHN BURROUGHS, ADRIAN BUSTINZA AND SOMEONE ELSE.<br />
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Right. Now, when Col. Halt gets out there, he takes the three initial eyewitnesses and spoke to them. Then they go out into the forest. We retraced their footprints where they went. Col. Halt and a number of people were there investigating this – Lt. Englund and others. They get out to the area and they see something was definitely there. They are getting radiation traces. They had hand-held light-alls, big lights, to light the area. They also had malfunctions constantly with their radios. At this point, there was a dirt track that they thought if they brought in some big generator light-alls, they could light the forest to see if the craft was hiding out there. That’s why they called back and said, ‘We need extra equipment out here. Put the base on extra alert, something is going on.’ They thought it could be Soviet or anything. This is a fact. Now, this is why the only reason that I was chosen to go out there is that you need two people to set up light-alls. I knew how to do it. They picked me up, and Bustinza, in a security police pickup truck, not a jeep. We got up in the pickup truck and took off for the motor pool. Now, we get into the motor pool and set up the light-alls. Captain Verona comes along. Capt. Verona was a nice guy and very down to earth. We tried to fill these things up with gas and they had a meter on them. And we filled it up and this is where – Capt. Verona might have been involved in the first incident. I don’t know because he was acting weird. People were uptight. Capt. Verona came over and looked at the gauge and said, ‘Fill up the goddamn gauge! What’s wrong with you guys? Fill up the light-all!’ We said, ‘We did, sir!’ And he says, ‘No, you didn’t!’ I said, ‘Sir, it is full!’ We did it again and gasoline spilled out! Capt. Verona said, ‘Leave the goddamn thing alone! Just take it.’ I don’t know what was going on. There was a funny feeling in the air – I felt it. We took the light-alls. We drove. There was another truck in the front of us. We drove out of the motor pool to the main gate of RAF Bentwaters, the base itself, the living quarters. When we got there, there was a convoy of vehicles – security police pickup trucks. There were about five in all. Two had light-alls, our truck, the one in front and then a few other pickup trucks had some men in them. Then, there were two law enforcement police cars. We pulled up and got into a line on the side of the road and then took off. As we were driving the six miles to RAF Woodbridge base, it was a very dark night. I had my radio on open channel and I’m hearing definitely from Woodbridge, ‘Tell the Bentwaters’ – it was a call from the law enforcement desk at Bentwaters – ‘Get the CO!’ That was the Commanding Officer, CO, which was General Gordon Williams. Then were some communications about the CO to have him call back on this designated code. Now, we get out there to the site. We’re coming along kind of a winding road and get to the end and you could see the lights for the field at RAF Woodbridge. There were<br />
some flares in the road. There was a civilian car here and a couple down on the other side, but they had kind of a makeshift roadblock. There was a real tall security police guy, a black guy. We stopped the trucks for a minute. We’re going around this police car. There was a woman in the car and a little girl asleep in the backseat. I was like this (in pickup truck) looking down (into car) and the black security police guy was telling the mother there was unexploded ordnance in the area and they were just removing it. That might be where stories of a plane crash came from. I heard that with my own ears. We drove away and when we got down just past the field, the flight line, we took a left into the woods on a dirt track. We drove about a half-mile to a mile and stopped in this kind of circular area where all the vehicles were parked. We got out. At that point, I saw an armory vehicle - they take care of all the weapons. We were told to turn in weapons. We did so. We were told to turn on our radios. We were put in groups of four to five.<br />
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I HAVE OTHER INFORMATION THAT YOU FORMED INTO FIVE GROUPS OF SIX MEN EACH: LARRY WARREN, ADRIAN BUSTINZA, LT. ENGLUND, MASTER SGT. SWIFT, SGT. LAW AND SOMEBODY ELSE?<br />
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It was Smith, not Swift.<br />
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SO THAT IS WHO WAS MOVING WITH YOU?<br />
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Yes, but there were a number of different groups going into the woods. There were a lot of people involved in this.<br />
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AT LEAST 30 OF YOU IF THERE WERE FIVE GROUPS OF SIX MEN EACH.<br />
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There was just about half a shift of security police and that’s made up of almost 150 people (half would be 75 people). There were a lot of people who were not security police out there! I don’t know who they all were. We get into these makeshift groups of people – I was basically with the same people I drove out with. There was a dirt track, a little path, that we followed into the woods. We get down there about 100 yards and we take a right and we start walking. It was dense forest then. Now, off to my left, I see in the distance maybe 50 yards away through the trees a lot of activity going on. Red tape or orange kind of tape around trees. Light-alls and flares on the ground. We get a call, ‘Stay away from hot spots.’ What does that mean? Radiation. This area where they were marking off and people were walking around are the landing sites that Col. Halt described on the tape and the activity. But they were far away from us at this point.<br />
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WHAT TROUBLES ME IS WHY WOULD I HAVE BEEN TOLD TO LISTEN FOR LARRY WARREN’S STORY TO CHANGE?<br />
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I can assure you that I never intentionally – well, I did change the story and I did lie intentionally twice. One time was to protect myself and one time was hoping that I would be joined by more people and they could tell their underground experience. I thought I paved the way because I thought if I said it secondhand - if there is something to it, I don’t know. I could have been given misinformation about this and I thought there is no way anyone is going to know.<br />
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Larry Warren Says He Did Not Black Out, But Is Uncertain of Dates and Times SO, YOUR SAYING YOU SAW THE SHADOW AND THEN BLACKED OUT WAS YOUR FIRST LIE?<br />
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It was to protect me. I lied about the fact that I blacked out. But I was just not saying what happened. Larry Fawcett thought I was lying about that and this was with the<br />
BBC in October 1983. Fawcett in Clear Intent printed that and they knew well in advance that wasn’t the way it was (that Larry did not black out). I didn’t know if I wanted to take the ball and talk about aliens. I really didn’t. Talking about spaceships was hard enough. People think you’re nuts.<br />
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SO, YOU WERE MOVING DOWN THE ROAD ...<br />
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We had just turned and were walking into the woods. Out this way to my left was activity that lit up the trees. There were men, Air Force people. They had the light- alls. We could not get the light-alls dragged out there to where the other people were. They just gave up. The light-alls were never used, as far as I know. People have said our shadows were cast on the object from light-alls in the field. That is completely untrue. That was someone’s perception. We never could get light-alls out there. That whole field was lighted by the object (landed craft). There was not one bit of other light except little bitty flashlights. That thing (craft) was bright! There were farmers in the area and they saw it because a guy came out – I could see his house. So, there were civilians that did see what happened.<br />
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DID ANY LIGHT-ALLS WORK?<br />
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The ones we dragged out there, the big generator ones, they never lit up. But they did light up one in the back of our truck to light our staging area where we went to organize. We turned in weapons – that took a little bit of time. The time frame – I’m really not sure about. About midnight. But the Halt thing was happening after 2 AM. I think Halt was happening concurrently with our incident. You have to remember something if you listen on the tape. Halt was investigating something quite far off from where I described what happened (with foggy “aspirin.”) You hear him walking to a clearing. The clearing he went to was a good half-mile from the clearing where this “aspirin” landing happened with Williams. Halt was not involved (at Williams site). I never knew he was there (that night where Warren was). Col. Halt also told Lee Spiegel at NBC, ‘He (Larry Warren) was involved in the incidents, but he was not with me.’ And that is true. Col. Halt was apparently out there the exact same time taking men. Lt. Bruce Englund, by the way, left us – he walked away from our group. We did not have Lt. Englund as we were going out to the site. He was not with us. I believe he joined Col. Halt and their investigations out in that area (far from us). There might have been a number of landings out there that I don’t even know about. But when I heard Col. Halt’s tape, the whole thing fit together. They had things going on out that way. Now, I describe when we get to the clearing, the first thing that struck me is that I saw a very bright light you can’t describe coming into the woods through the trees. And as we were walking towards this – I was next to Adrian – I started to say something and someone told me to shut up. At this point, Adrian says to me, ‘This is just like what happened in Alaska.’ I say Alaska and that might be wrong (in memory). Adrian started getting nervous. I said, ‘What?’ The whole time I felt like we were playing war games, which we did occasionally. We got out to the trees very close and I could see a guy sitting next to a tree. I believe this might have been John Burroughs. I don’t know. He was leaning against the tree, not broken down quivering like with a nervous breakdown. He was just sitting there next to the tree. Sgt. Bobbie Ball was over with him and they are all talking. Sgt. Ball was trying to console the guy, ‘It’s alright.’ It seemed like some people knew what was going on.<br />
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BUT YOU DON’T KNOW WHO THE GUY WAS WHO WAS UPSET?<br />
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No, I’m not sure because at this point, my mind was looking more at this thing (foggy aspirin). I see people walking around – a lot of people out there! I saw a video camera that cost probably around $40,000, like a news camera. And I saw a 35 mm handheld camera that someone was using. Some people were taking photos of this stuff on the ground that is very hard to describe (foggy “aspirin”), but I feel like I could have walked through it. Now, as we walked, there was a little wall of broken stone and a wire fence. We walked over that and are now right in the field with this thing – just a little further out and looking at it. As we stood there looking, I could see in the distance, there were a couple of houses. And there were two cows. Later on with Larry Fawcett, Adrian asked, ‘Does Larry remember the cows?’ And I said, ‘I sure do!’ The cows walked up right next to us and we’re looking at this aspirin thing. I don’t know if I’m missing time or what, but I don’t remember where the cows went. I don’t honestly remember what happened to them. It’s strange. Maybe I don’t remember certain things.<br />
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I THINK YOU HAD TIME LOSS.<br />
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I think all of us might have.” “Col. Halt told Lee Spiegel at NBC that the implications of what happened are so great that the only way the Colonel will ever speak about it is in a Congressional inquiry – not through a newspaper article. Col. Halt was not talking just about lights in the sky. He’s talking about full-blown contact, which there was. But I don’t think that a lot of people there (military at RAF Bentwaters) believed in UFOs. You hear Col. Halt say on the audiotape he ran, ‘We’ve run into the first ‘night bird’ we’ve seen’ - just after the red light. That’s a USAF term for ground observance of an unidentified flying object. NIGHT BIRD? Night bird. A friend of my father’s here in the Air National Guard of Connecticut says that phrase, ‘night bird,’ is in the manuals he uses. So, back to Rendlesham Forest in December 1980. We’re standing there looking and I hear the sound of a helicopter. Now, the 67th Air Rescue Recovery Squadron on RAF Woodbridge was very loud. They could have been revving a chopper up on the field? Never saw one fly over. And I was never really told what to do. I was just standing there. Disaster Preparedness went up next to this mist (aspirin-shaped) and one guy looked like he was trying to do something with it – I don’t know what? DID HE TOUCH IT? No. He had something that maybe looked like a Geiger counter – I don’t know, but he was near the mist thing.<br />
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Red Light “Explodes” Over White, Misty “Aspirin” At this point, there was a bank of trees way off in the distance about a mile or so away and you could see a red star appear. I noticed it right away. Over the radios – the people who had radios had open channels and you could hear some communications. I believe Col. Halt was probably going through the radios, too, on open channels when he was talking. I heard, ‘Here it comes!’ This light looking at it – it was very obvious and everyone was saying, ‘Oh, my God, look at that!’ The red light just seemed to get bigger and bigger. And before I knew it, the thing was doing an arc down the field. It came down and let’s say this (gestures in front of him at coffee table) is the round mist on the ground. The red light stopped above it (gestures above the coffee table, est. 20 feet above mist). I was standing over here (gestures a few feet from coffee<br />
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table). And the red light was like the size of a basketball. It looked like a basketball, but not metal. It was a ball of red fluorescence. It was there and then it went BAM! (exploding) and everything fell on the mist (aspirin-shape). WHAT EXPLODED? There was every color you could imagine, strands of light. I never can describe this to people. It was multi-colors of the brightest lights you ever saw in your life, but in a controlled fall on to this misty thing from about 20 feet in the air above. I don’t know how to describe it. But that was all on someone’s film or video.<br />
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PIECES OF LIGHT?<br />
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Shards of light. I can picture it in my mind, but I can’t describe it.<br />
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DID THOSE ‘SHARDS OF LIGHT’ FALL RIGHT ONTO THE ‘ASPIRIN’?<br />
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Everything just right on it, staying inside the perimeter of that fog. I know it’s unorthodox and a different kind of description of UFOs, but this is what happened. And then the craft popped in - it didn’t come in ‘conventionally.’ Maybe there was already an invisible craft there (where fog-aspirin was)? Who knows?<br />
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AT THAT MOMENT WHEN THE SHARDS OF LIGHT FELL ON THE MIST, IS THAT THE EXACT MOMENT THAT THE CRAFT POPPED INTO YOUR VIEW?<br />
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I think so. All I know is the falling pieces of light happened and then there was this machine there. You didn’t have a chance to react. As soon as the craft popped in, I said, ‘Oh, my God!’ But it was not a saucer shape. It was a triangular thing. It looked very heavy. Someone there made the comment, ‘This thing is not aerodynamically capable of flight!’ And it looked to me very heavy and very old. I don’t know why. And the weight of it – I mean, it was big! It had boxes and pipes and things (on the triangular craft). There was a bank of very bright blue down on the bottom and very bright red on the top. But it wasn’t a light – it was aglow. No windows, no doors, no markings whatsoever. If I stood next to it – I’ve tried to draw it to scale in comparison to say a 6-foot-tall man – it would be maybe like this.<br />
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WOULD THAT BE 15 FEET HIGH?<br />
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About fifteen feet to twenty feet high, but I didn’t measure the damn thing! It was not massive, but it was big and it could not have fit in the forest (amid so many trees growing close together). (Back in 1983) Nippon TV made a model based on my description that looked just like what I saw.<br />
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WAS COL. GORDON WILLIAMS STANDING WITH YOU?<br />
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He was not even there at that point. I was standing on the side where these things came from. And soon after, Col. Williams arrived with some other brass – people who came in with him – about five or six other people. Eventually, people circled the triangular craft. There was Security Option 3 that is in the event of a nuclear bomb that’s gone amuck – you in security are supposed to surround it! I swear to God!!<br />
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TO PUT YOUR HANDS OUT AND SAY, ‘PLEASE DON’T BLOW UP’?!<br />
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(laughs) Yes, please don’t blow up! And that’s what we did. I stayed where I was and Sgt. Adrian Bustinza was next to me. Other people were moving around, but Adrian and I just stood there in place. But I remember Col. Williams came with other brass, a guy was walking with a 35mm camera, and there was a big video thing on a tripod - so everything was filmed or videotaped!<br />
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I heard that the base news agency got wind of what was going on out there in the forest and went there with their cameras. Maybe that’s how they had cameras there? Everyone seemed so surprised, really.<br />
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BUT YOU FELT THAT COL. GORDON WILLIAMS KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON?<br />
Well, I felt that Col. Williams has been trained to deal with a situation like this – not that he had pre-warning, but at least he seemed upset, but kept his composure, you know?<br />
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OK, COL. GORDON WILLIAMS, ADRIAN BUSTINZA, YOU, THE VIDEOTAPE PHOTOGRAPHER AND THE 35MM PERSON. ANY OTHERS YOU SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER?<br />
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Various others without specifics.<br />
Beings in Spheres of Light<br />
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OK, THE BIG, TRIANGULAR CRAFT IS IN FRONT OF YOU. WHAT HAPPENED?<br />
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We stood and kept looking at the damn thing. Time frame? I really don’t know anymore. Then all of a sudden, I know some people ran away.<br />
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TRIANGLE CRAFT STILL HAS THE BLUE AND RED GLOWS?<br />
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Yes, there was the band of bright blue light on the bottom and a red glow on top.<br />
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WAS IT WHITE IN BETWEEN?<br />
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Light metallic and almost burned (scorched) looking with boxes and things that stuck out.<br />
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DID THE LIGHT SHINE ON THE GROUND AROUND?<br />
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No. It emitted light, but it didn’t glow, so to speak. I can’t describe it. The thing was just bright! I can’t describe it, but it lighted the area – that’s all I can say – with the glows. But it was bright at the same time. At that point, I tried to look at my watch and a couple of people ran away.<br />
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DO YOU MEAN LITERALLY RAN AWAY AS IF AFRAID?<br />
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Yes, took off. They came back, I think, but they ran! Master Sergeant Bobby Ball at this point came up and said, ‘Let’s go a little closer.’<br />
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WHERE WAS SGT. BALL? There were people all around, security, but he came to me from behind me and said, ‘Let’s go up a little closer. I want to check something out.’ We went up closer to the object and Adrian Bustinza and I walked up a little ways and then we walked back. Now, as we walked closer to the craft, the object had a kind of concave arc up – you could look up the thing – and I noticed our shadows were cast (on it). This is another thing I can’t explain. Our shadows were cast up the side of the craft. We walked and would stop and our shadows took another step. We’d step again and stop and our shadows took another step. And we started to notice this! Then a light of some sort came zigzagging around these boxes (protruding from craft) and stopped near the heads of our shadows. I can’t describe this well either, but there was a little green zigzag that went back up to the top where the red glow was. We stood and we noticed the moving-shadow effect. Now, this is the point where three years ago in 1983 when I first talked that I said I blacked out. But I did not black out. We were told, ‘OK, back up. Let’s get away from this thing!’ We stood back. I said, ‘Well, what are we supposed to do?’ The answer was, ‘Just hang in there, relax, and we’ll see.’<br />
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THAT WAS SGT. BALL TALKING TO YOU?<br />
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Yes. And Capt. Verano was doing something with people. Anyway, here comes the light out of the side of the craft. It started to get bright around this delta-shaped craft. I never saw a door open, but this little ball of light comes around the side. People start backing up again into the trees almost. I just stood there and could see this thing was a ball of light. It was not three beings walking out of the craft. These things had to be about three feet tall – they were little and inside the light. They were not on the ground. They were above the ground and floated out. But I didn’t see anything except the ball of light at first. COLOR? It was gold, bronze, mist and the three, small beings are inside it. I’m standing there and Adrian says, ‘See them?! Look at it – you can see them!’ I said, ‘What?’ And the first thing I could see – because you had to look really hard at this misty light – you could see eyes, sets of eyes inside the thing. They were definitely eyes – black, big eyes just like in the movies! I don’t remember what I did then. I watched, I was an observer from here on. How I reacted, I don’t know. The light thing seemed to dissipate. People were saying, ‘Oh, my God! I can’t believe this!’ But the beings were still encased in the glow – there was something they were within. The misty ball of light changed into three separate glows. Those moved away from that one glowing unit, or whatever it was. Now they were apart – there were three. I first started to rationalize it as being children, kids. I don’t know why, but I remember thinking they were kids. I had weird thoughts, I guess trying to rationalize what I was seeing. But I also thought it was real, that I was seeing it, that this was happening everywhere in the world (like an invasion). I thought, ‘Oh, my God!’ That’s one of the biggest problems having this happen to you is that all of a sudden you realize the average person doesn’t know what is going on.<br />
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COULD THE ENTITIES HAVE BEEN 4-FEET-TALL?<br />
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I don’t know. They were about 3 feet tall. And they were four feet off the ground in the light thing. I don’t think they were taller than 3 to 3.5 feet. They were very, very tiny things! But you could see very clearly that they had clothing, they had no helmets. I did not notice hands very much. I didn’t notice feet, although they had what looked like legs. There was a black band around each waist and a long kind of thing, a pole? something they had that was silver-colored.<br />
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WERE THE BEINGS ALL SILVER-SUITED? OR WERE ANY OF THEM BLACK-SUITED?<br />
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Well, there was a thing – I heard that Bustinza said there were more things out there. Now, he says I saw it, but I don’t know if I did. There was supposedly one entity going over our heads – maybe in black. I don’t remember, or maybe I don’t want to remember. I don’t know.<br />
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SOME MILITARY PEOPLE SAY THAT SOME OF THE GREY BEINGS THAT WEAR BLACK LEOTARD SUITS ARE ‘GUARDS’ AND THE SILVER-SUITED ONES ARE USUALLY THE LEADER, THE SCIENTIST, OR?<br />
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There was probably something else there. BEN JAMISON: There was one over your head? I don’t know. Other guys said there was something else flying around, but I don’t know. I know I saw aliens – I hate that word.<br />
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NO, WE’RE TRYING TO TALK HERE ABOUT THE REALITY OF IT – NOT POLITICAL MISINFORMATION.<br />
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Yeah, people! I have been trashed so many times and people don’t realize that I saw this.<br />
Makes me sick, this aspect of trashing. I do dream about what I saw every now and then and it’s unpleasant. And I have horrible nightmares sometimes.<br />
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WHAT SORT OF NIGHTMARE? I feel they are coming after me and I don’t like that! WHEN YOU FEEL THEY ARE COMING AFTER YOU, WHAT IS IN YOUR MIND WHEN YOU SAY THAT?<br />
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I had one (nightmare) recently. My wife says I wake up all crazy. The dreams are too real. Too real! WHAT HAPPENS? I just have a feeling that they are out there and flying around. The dreams are so real. In this last dream – and I have never dreamed of UFOs before December 1980. I never dream of the (Bentwaters) incident, but in this recent nightmare, I dreamed that this thing – they were outside the window and I could look up and see something big and dark going over in the sky at night. I say, ‘Oh, my God! Oh, my God!’ And I ran outside. I was in another house that I used to live in. Then I went into the bathroom. This is going to sound stupid, but I thought one of them (grey alien) was in the shower. ‘What am I going to do?’ And I could hear them talking to me and I don’t like that.<br />
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WHAT DID YOU HEAR?<br />
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I don’t remember, but I know it’s talk. I don’t remember, but I hate this.<br />
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Larry Warren Hypnosis Sessions LET’S GO BACK TO THE POINT IN THE FRED MAX HYPNOSIS SESSION WITH YOU (ARRANGED BY LARRY FAWCETT) THAT PARALLELS WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE FOREST?<br />
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That Fred Max hypnosis – I went to Fred’s – and I’ve told Ben this and Larry Fawcett can vouch – I was not that comfortable with it. Some things I think I said – I probably didn’t tell him the whole picture – but I don’t know if I was out (deeply hypnotized). Fred insisted I was, but I said, ‘I don’t think I’m out.’ At one time, I think I had the best hypnosis that startled me. WITH WHOM? Patricia Sable, who is a psychotherapist, and we did this hypnosis session for the Japanese TV that filmed it. I said I didn’t want to do it, but the Japanese said it was part of the agreement to go to Japan, which I wanted to do. I saw the film for the first time in Japan. I don’t remember any of it and I said, ‘Oh, my God! That works!’ I was skeptical about hypnosis. But here was me sounding like a 19-year-old kid in some dialect I used to speak (that has changed after) and then schooling has taken away. I was amazed and actually embarrassed it was being shown. Pat is really good.<br />
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SO NIPPON HAS THE HYPNOSIS SESSION?<br />
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I have the video. I have a couple of the shows I did in Japan.<br />
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WHAT HAPPENED IN THE FRED MAX HYPNOSIS WHEN YOU DESCRIBED DOGS BARKING?<br />
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I said there were dogs out in the field. But I thought maybe they were dogs next to Fred’s house. Fred Max said you can hear and be aware of other things when you’re under.<br />
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OK, LET’S PICK UP WITH COL. GORDON WILLIAMS AND PEOPLE WITH HIM IN YOUR HYPNOSIS SESSION WITH FRED MAX. I AM QUOTING FROM THE TRANSCRIPT:<br />
‘Col. Williams is there. Who is Col. Williams? The commander. Is there anyone with him? Men are with him. You are all right near this<br />
craft? Yes. Nobody is talking yet? Everyone is in groups. Do you hear helicopters when they fly? Yes. Do you hear dogs barking in the distance? Yes.’<br />
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THEN THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND AND YOU ARE SAYING, ‘... under it.’ FRED MAX ASKS,<br />
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‘What do you mean? People under what? The ship. How do you know that? I see them. How many? There are four. Do they look like people? No. What do they look like? Kids, small. How tall? They are in the air. Who is in the air? They are. Independent of their craft? Yes. How are they doing that? I don’t know. Are you scared? A little. Funny, there are three in front of Col. Williams and four in front of us.’<br />
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LARRY WARREN: That means there were seven alien beings there? No, no! Then I was lying for some reason. That’s not true.<br />
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UNLESS IT WAS AN IMAGE THAT YOU HAD AND NOW YOU ARE REPRESSING WHAT HAPPENED?<br />
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That’s not true. If I said that, then I lied for some reason (in Fred Max hypnosis).<br />
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LET’S PICK UP WHERE YOU HAVE THREE BEINGS IN THE LIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU – IN THE AIR, THE LITTLE ONES?<br />
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Yes. There might have been a fourth. I don’t know. But there were three. And that’s what I can say.<br />
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ARE YOU ASSOCIATING THEM WITH NIGHTMARES?<br />
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No, I never see those in nightmares. I just feel something (presence).<br />
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IS IT POSSIBLE THERE HAS BEEN AN EFFORT TO MANIPULATE YOUR MIND SO YOU WON’T REMEMBER?<br />
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I know what they look like. Their face has all black eyes – very much like the slanted, almond shape of cat eyes. I don’t know if they had a nose. I don’t remember if they had a mouth at all, but maybe a slight mouth. No ears or pointed ears that I could see or anything like that. No hair. No helmets. No (visible) life support. Very muscular in the chest. Couldn’t notice hands, really, OK? I don’t recall. And the legs just seemed to go down. I don’t remember feet. No markings – just clothing.<br />
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LIKE A LEOTARD?<br />
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Yes, it sounds stupid, but that’s what it was like.<br />
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AND A BLACK BELT?<br />
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A black thing around the waist, dividing, like a belt, I guess.<br />
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AND THERE WAS A ROD?<br />
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It was like a rod or stick – what it was, I don’t know.<br />
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SO THOSE THREE (OR FOUR?) ENTITIES ARE HOVERING IN THE AIR ABOVE YOU?<br />
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No! They were three feet off the ground away from me quite a distance. They came out (of misty light) and separated. That’s when we knew what we were looking at.<br />
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THE EYES – DID YOU HAVE THE SENSE OF LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT WAS AN ARTIRICIAL COVER AS OPPOSED TO BIOLOGICAL? No. That was a real eye. WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?<br />
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Because I just know it was a real eye – I don’t know why, but that was their eye.<br />
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SOLID BLACK?<br />
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At one point, it looked like they blinked even. That’s when we could see them very clearly. They got clearer to see as time went on. But they were still in something. I don’t think you could have gone up and grabbed them.<br />
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Col. Gordon Williams Arrived<br />
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Col. Gordon Williams was not there when the beings first came out. But Col. Williams suddenly arrived and they (Williams and other military) were all talking and these things (non-humans) just stood there – no emotion, nothing. They did not move, but you could see in their faces that you would feel as so insignificant! Their intelligence, you could feel that. You could feel intelligence! And I felt like there was nothing to be afraid of them at all<br />
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THAT THERE WAS NOTHING TO BE AFRAID OF?<br />
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Right. Not that a telepathic voice said that in my head, but I did not feel too much fear. After Col. Williams came, there was some kind of a meeting. He was talking to people. He looked very shaken. It wasn’t like, ‘Oh, here’s another UFO.’ He had something in his hand – I don’t know what it was – and Col. Williams walked at a safe distance very cautiously. These alien things moved away from the ship and went a bit further, got to Col. Williams and kind of tilted their heads a little bit. That was the first movement. And the aliens just kind of looked, you know? There was no hand sign language – I’ve heard that bunk about hand sign language. That’s garbage!<br />
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UNDER HYPNOSIS WITH FRED MAX, HE ASKED: ‘Are you talking to each other?<br />
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YOU ANSWERED, ‘Laughing, nervous. Who are you talking to? Steve LaPlume.’<br />
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WARREN: I don’t think it was LaPlume.<br />
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BEN JAMISON: Is it possible that under hypnosis you were trying to mask the identity of one of the people?<br />
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WARREN: I think I had a lot of control when I was doing that (Fred Max) hypnosis. I was trying to protect. That was early on.<br />
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COULD THE STEVE YOU MENTIONED IN THE FRED MAX HYPNOSIS BE THE NEW YORK GUY YOU DON’T WANT TO NAME? WARREN: There was a guy named Steve there – his name was Longero – and again, that’s who I’m talking about. But I was not under in that Fred Max hypnosis. I have the tape.<br />
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CONTINUING WITH THE FRED MAX HYPNOSIS:<br />
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‘Things moved really fast. What’s the craft doing? Just sitting there. Then these guys (aliens) come out. There might have been a doorway on the other side. I don’t know. They were just there. There is a light, a green light.’ WARREN: That was early on.<br />
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HOWE CONTINUING WITH FRED MAX HYPNOSIS TRANSCRIPT:<br />
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‘What’s being said to Col. Williams? I’m too far away. Who is trying to address Col. Williams? These things (non-humans). Was the Col. looking at them? Yes. How so? He was looking down at them. The beings are looking down on him? No, Col. Williams is looking down on the aliens. They are small. Have they landed on the ground? They are at that level. There is one right near us. Is he conversing with them? Yes. Does Col. Williams look comfortable? Very. Has Col. Williams seen the aliens before? I don’t know. He just doesn’t seem worried.’ WARREN: At the beginning, Col. Williams looked worried, but he seemed to get comfortable with the situation, or at least calm with it anyway.<br />
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IN THE HYPNOSIS SESSION, YOU DESCRIBED THE BEINGS AS LOOKING ‘LIKE A TOY WITH LARGE, BLACK EYES.’ AND YOU SAID THE NEAREST BEING WAS IN A BLACK, TIGHT GARMENT.<br />
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I don’t know about that. Who gave you that transcript? I have the tape.<br />
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I TYPED THIS TRANSCRIPT FROM A TAPE OF THE FRED MAX HYPNOSIS.<br />
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You have a tape, too?<br />
YES, I TYPED THIS FROM THE HYPNOSIS SESSION. With Fred Max? YES. I TYPED THIS MYSELF.<br />
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Then I don’t remember or know why I said some of the things like that. I don’t know.<br />
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YOU SAID IN THAT HYPNOSIS,<br />
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‘The beings were three feet above us. How far from you? Three feet above us. Three feet above you? How are the beings different? Can’t tell – it’s a black suit. The other one is silver. Is the being near you dressed differently than the others? Yes. Anything on the shoulders? No – only a black stick like a night stick (police). With this group of people you are seeing, are you seeing a hierarchy? Is one of the beings clearly the leader, like Col. Williams is? Probably the one in the middle. Why do you say that? The rest seem to be watching the one (in the middle) and Col. Williams talks to him.’<br />
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NOW, IN TERMS OF THE TALKING, THE HYPNOSIS SESSION SAYS, ‘<br />
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There is movement of the hands. What kind? Like Italians. All three of them? Col. Williams. Col. Williams is talking like Italian? Right. What about the three beings - are they talking like Italians? They seem very slow, like puppets. What would differentiate them from puppets? There are no strings attached. Could they be robots? No. Why? Just the way they look – their faces.’<br />
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IN THE HYPNOSIS, YOU TALK ABOUT,<br />
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‘There is a whitish light all around the aliens. Are all the people calm and comfortable? There are some people running, I think, towards us from the woods. How far is Col. Williams from you? Two yards.’”<br />
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“YOU’RE SEEING THREE ENTITIES (IN SPHERE A LITTLE ABOVE GROUND OUTSIDE TRIANGLE-SHAPED CRAFT). AND YOU CAN SEE THEN-COLONEL GORDON WILLIAMS TO YOUR RIGHT. WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER?<br />
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He walked toward these things (in air). Col. Williams did look down because they were below his head level. They were not touching the ground though at this point. They stared. That basically was the gist. They stared. Then at one point, there was a very loud noise. That might be where hand movements come in. There was a very loud noise in the woods almost like a tree fall, like the crash of a tree. It might not have been, but it’s what it sounded like. The three things in the sphere backed away like – Swoosh! Back real quick to the underside of the vehicle, very close to the object. Their hands and arms were up almost defensively. Then they mellowed out and went back in the direction of Col. Williams and they continued with Williams looking down at them. He looked very calm. In them, you couldn’t see any emotion in the face. At that point, we were told to leave. I see people starting to leave in the woods and I see people next to me start to go and then I’m told to go back to the trucks. As I’m leaving, the things are still in position (in the air) with Col. Williams with his people around. Off we went and get back to the trucks, go back to the base. The sun had not come up yet. I don’t know what time it was. We at there quite awhile and drank coffee. No one said a word. Finally about 6 AM, the morning shift came on. They were all coming in and a lot of us were just sitting around doing nothing and somehow people knew what happened, or some extent of it. We were getting ribbed about Little Green Men. Then I took off, went back to my room, but couldn’t go to sleep. I got a phone call to be at the Chief of Security Police Office at about noon. I went to have breakfast. There were a lot of guys that had been involved in the incident that were at the Police Table. We sat down together and I wanted to say something, but other people were looking at me like, ‘Don’t say a word!’ But the base was buzzing about it. We went and had the briefing in Major Zickler’s office. Left that and got back.<br />
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THAT MEETING WAS NOT UNDERGROUND THEN?<br />
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Underground – what that came from, I’ll get to that point. I get over to a friend of mine named Greg Battram, who was on CNN. We spoke. He was involved in this to a degree, but was not with me. We talked about what happened. He was blown away and this guy was an ex-Marine fighter pilot. We get to a public telephone and I said, ‘I want to call my mother.’ I picked up the phone and reversed the charges. My mother still has the bill from that day. That would tell us the date! Ben Jamison: Your mother says she doesn’t have it. Larry Warren: She doesn’t have it any more? Well, I got on the phone with her. I said, ‘Mom, you’re never going to believe what happened here last night. A UFO did this and that and I’m yakking about it. All of a sudden she wasn’t there! I’m talking and all of a sudden there was nothing on the line. I said, ‘My God!’ I hung up and called the operator and said, ‘I got disconnected. I had a reverse charge call to the United States.’ The operator asked me, ‘Are you calling from the base?’ I said, ‘Yes.’ She said, ‘You were cut off from the base.’ And I know all the base phones are tapped always. So, I got back to my room. Some kid comes running up and said, ‘We got a call from the Communications Squadron on Bentwaters.’ That’s a place that was half underground and half not. It was a nerve center for radar and everything. I get there and walk in where all the security is.<br />
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THIS IS AFTER THE BRIEFING BEFORE?<br />
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Oh, yeah, this is that afternoon probably about 5 PM. I get in there, meet this captain guy and he takes me into a room and started saying, ‘You’ve given away information over the phone. That’s a breach of such and such regulation. I’m going to have to fine you or take your stripes.’ There was a $300 fine or my two stripes and I said, ‘Let’s go with the fine. Deduct it from my paycheck.’ At first I denied it. I said I never did that (phone). But this guy played a tape back! He had a reel-to-reel tape right there and here I am yakking on the phone! You could even hear the click when my mother heard, which I never heard on the phone I was on. So, they had me pegged right away. I said, ‘OK,’ and I signed up for the money deducted. I forget what they took. But I left the U. S. Air Force owing them $95.00 of that fine. They sent me a thing saying they would take me to a collection agency in 1981 if I didn’t pay it and I said, ‘Screw you! What are you going to do? Tell people I told about a UFO landing on the base and you didn’t get my money!’ They never took me to a collection agency, but I still have the letter from the government and all this from the Air Force. After that, we had already been debriefed, I worked on flight another month. That’s when I started doing a lot of administration stuff. No one talked at all. (about the incident). I heard a lot of stories about someone taking photographs and they took his film. There were a lot of rumors, but I stayed away from it. But I was in an office asking questions. This is where it got interesting. I had a guy in my office. He came in to replace a guy that was going stateside. This new guy was named Mark Reese. He was a staff sergeant. The funny thing about this Mark Reese is that he had a Z-280, a real nice car. The average staff sergeant couldn’t afford it. He had just come from Arizona and was assigned to this office (where I was). The guy was bright. I mean sharp as a whip! And he always seemed to be watching me. And I had been asking questions around the base.<br />
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Sgt. Adrian Bustinza and RAF Bentwaters Underground Then in March 1981, Adrian Bustinza came to my room and slipped a note under my door and said, ‘Meet me at my room.’ I get over there and he threw his roommate out and we sat down and started talking about this. He told me of a UFO that happened to him and his family at one time back in the 1970s. Then he started to talk about what we saw in Rendlesham Forest. He was telling me things that I did not recall – that something tall was out there, something was seen that was very tall. It was bizarre. Then he said, ‘There’s something you don’t know. There’s an underground facility under this base, under Bentwaters, and he went into this whole big deal about how he was – the next day – he was picked up in a car and passed out and all that. That was the day I called my mother. Sgt. Adrian Bustinza and several other people were taken out to the Bentwaters base photo lab and went down an elevator to an underground facility. He barely recalls, but he came out at the same place. They were shown high tech underground somewhere. He heard jets, so he knew it was near the flight line. He sat in a room and something talked to him from behind a screen. He told me, ‘Look, you’re getting out. Tell this and when I get out, we’ll go to the newspapers.’ That’s at least what we thought then. I said, ‘Well, I’ll do it as my first hand, but you’ve got to back me up as soon as it comes out and tell what happened in detail.’ He said, ‘Fine.’ He seemed really into it and interested in getting the story out. He said they were messing with him. Some bad things happened to Adrian. So, Adrian told me this whole underground thing. And I really bought it. I don’t know why, but with the circumstances of what happened and what was going on in the meantime, being monitored, being watched, it made you feel sick! I had no reason to disbelieve that this guy was honest. He was definitely an honest guy. He went into details and said there was an object own there (underground). He saw it from a catwalk. So, I believed him 100%.<br />
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Military Retaliation Against Larry Warren? Later I was back in the office and one day they told me to take a shovel and a wheelbarrow and start digging dirt near this building. I said, ‘Wait a minute! You’ve gone too far now – you’re pushing me! You’ve taken me off duty, you’ve done this and that.’ Then a friend of mine, Steve La Plume said, ‘Larry, listen, I went to Holland for a weekend in Amsterdam. I came back and as soon as you go there, you’re under suspicion of carrying drugs, no matter who you are because it’s very drug-oriented in Holland. Steve said, ‘OSI is putting a file together on you.’ I said, ‘Screw this! I know what they are doing.’ I called the guy from OSI and asked to talk to him. He said, ‘OK, come on in.’ I get out to the OSI office, which was near Major Zickler’s office. I go in the back and there’s this black guy who was with OSI. I said, ‘Listen, I want to talk to you people. I hear you are doing something with some information about me and I would like to talk with you about it.’ He said, ‘OK, come on in.’ The guy read me my rights! And then said, ‘Sit down.’ I sit down and this guy opens a file cabinet and pulled out a file and started to reading to me. He said, ‘September 15, 1980, you were in so and so’s room smoking hash and on September 20th, you sold hash or marijuana to someone. On October something on Bentwaters you did this and that.’ He had like three incidents.<br />
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I said, ‘Oh, but if you had ever checked with me a little further you would find that during September and October 1980, I was still in the Security Police Academy in San Antonio, Texas, and I wasn’t even on this base. I wasn’t even assigned to this base then!’ The guy shut the file and said, ‘Get the hell out of here!’ And put the file away. That’s when I called my mother and said, ‘I want out of here! I’m sick of this! They are playing games here and trying to get me arrested for drugs. I know they can plant them in my room.’ Then some rumors started going around that I was an informant for OSI! People who had been my friends were staying away. I don’t know what happened to me in that goddamn field in Rendlesham, but I saw something and remember it in 40 ways. But afterwards, those bastards almost ruined me. Then I went to the base lawyer, a colonel, and said, ‘I want to get the hell out of the Air Force. They are doing this and this to me because I was involved with the UFO and I’m sick of it.’ And he says, ‘Well, let’s check some things out. Are you working in the field?’ I said, ‘I’m working in the police, but I’m not doing what I was trained to do under contract.’ He said, ‘Well, that constitutes a breech of contract and we can look into that.’ I get back to my office and that Reese guy is there. He sits down and I said, ‘Mark, you weren’t here on base at the time, but did you ever hear about the UFO incident?’ He said, ‘Yes.’ I said, ‘Do you know there is an underground base beneath Bentwaters?’ He said, ‘Why push it? What can you do about it?’ He was so calm and collected! I said, ‘Wait a minute! So, you know about this?’ He shrugged his shoulders and walked away. He was the staff sergeant in security police assigned to my office and this Mark Reese was too sharp to be a staff sergeant. And I had not done anything wrong, even though someone tried to get me on phony charges. They offered me airfield maintenance, which is picking up paper from the runway and shooting rabbits. I could see myself being a cook for the next five years. The choices they gave me no one would want, so I wanted out! The lawyer said, ‘You’ve got a breech of contract and we’ll submit it to Col. Williams.’ And I have his letter that says, ‘I have reviewed Mr. Warren’s case and feel it is in the best interests of himself and the United States Air Force that he be honorably discharged as of May 15, 1981.’ I have that at home with his signature.<br />
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WITH GORDON WILLIAMS’S SIGNATURE.<br />
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That’s right. So, I got out – and that was stupid also! My mother kept saying, ‘Don’t get out! There are no jobs back here. What are you going to do?’ It was a small town in upstate New York. I told her, ‘I don’t care. I’m sick of this!’ But it probably was stupid to do that, get out. If I had been quiet and let it all blow over like most people did, but I was pushing this from the day it happened, I was talking. After I got out, I told my mother the whole thing with a neighbor next door there, too. My mother said, ‘I didn’t know whether to believe you or not, but ...” After awhile, I decided to go back into the Air Force and they assigned me to washing dishes. Oh, my God! It was terrible!’ When I went to the same recruiter I used before, he recognized me. I explained I wanted to go back in and he said, ‘No problem. You’ve got a good record. But you’ve got a funny re-enlistment code. I never saw anything like that before.’ But we tried processing and I went down to Albany and went through the whole thing again, passed physicals. They told me, ‘We’ve got to put you back in security police.’ I was so desperate to get out of my hometown I said, ‘OK, I’ll do it again as long as I go somewhere else (not Bentwaters).’ They said, ‘Fine, all was good.’<br />
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But a couple of days later the recruiter called and said, ‘Larry, I’ve got bad news. They denied you re-enlistment the other day.’ I said, ‘Wait a minute, I got an honorable discharge. I have re-enlistment option open to me.’ All of a sudden, I run into a lot of problems with the process that just stops. Even on the recruiter computer, it would come up with my name, rank, address, social security number and the words, ‘Do not process.’ Then I got in touch with Congressman Soloman for help, but that didn’t work either. So I went to the U. S. Army and that recruiter said there was something wrong with your records. I finally said I saw a UFO with a lot of people and thought that was the problem. But after a month of trying with the Army, they were getting ‘Do not process’ also. And no one could explain to me why. I went to McGuire AFB for a review of my discharge papers that say ‘Honorable Discharge.’ And then there was my DD-214, which is your service record with any awards or medals or ribbons you got. I had five of them in one year of service! I worked security when the hostages came back from Iran and Germany. But on my DD-214 there was a code that meant ‘No re-entry.’ [ Editor's Note: Larry Warren’s politically-connected father tried to get his son back into the Air Force without success. Later they learned that Larry’s USAF records in 1983 had been classified and sent first to the Pentagon and then on to the National Security Agency in 1983. ] I called the NSA and they told me they had no record of my Air Force military service!” “I went to live with my father in Connecticut and told him I wanted to get back in the service. He said, ‘No problem. What about the National Guard?’ So, we went up to Bradley Airport. His friend is a general, the commander of the Connecticut National Guard. They play golf together because both were in the insurance business, too. We get up to the general’s office. I don’t tell him about UFOs or what happened (in Bentwaters). I just said I encountered a lot of red tape (trying to re-enlist). The general said, ‘Oh, no problem. We can override this.’ My father said, ‘Good, good!’ And we go back to the car. Months go by and my father talked to the general and he said, ‘Well, I’m working on it. It’s not going very smoothly.’ Finally, my father saw the general at a lunch and the guy ignored my father! My father is a professional in the elite of Connecticut (business people), and the general is now ignoring him. My father came back to me and said, ‘Larry, I don’t know what is going on. He wouldn’t talk to me, tell me or anything. He just said, ‘I’m sorry.’ So I said, ‘Dad, I’ve got to tell you what happened to me.’ And I sat down and that’s when I told my father. I didn’t know how he would respond to it. But he said, ‘Larry, with all I’ve seen going on with you with the red tape and all, I believe you.’<br />
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WHAT’S CURIOUS IS THAT THE U. S. AIR FORCE WOULD HAVE SO MUCH MORE CONTROL OVER YOU IN THE AIR FORCE THAN OUT OF IT.<br />
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But they would then have a person who could give information out at any time to people in the military and it would be like a disease that would spread. Yet, I know security at military bases and I know certain things about RAF Bentwaters that I don’t say to this day because it’s about national security – some very big things about Bentwaters, but it doesn’t concern UFOs. [ Editor’s Note: Presence of nuclear weapons at RAF Bentwaters WSA.] The presence of things at Bentwaters might concern the UFOs – why it’s there. I think then the USAF felt better that I was out. A lot of people kept begging me not to go back in. They said, ‘You go in, they can do whatever they want with you. Stay out!’<br />
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Now, I’ve spoken to people in government and at the Pentagon. Everyone of them is aware of who I am. We had my military records drawn up from this place in St. Louis, Missouri, where they keep all the military records – even from my father’s days in the service. They got them. My records are classified! They were in the Pentagon and then moved to the National Security Agency (NSA) in 1983. That’s where they are. I was supposed to have a big board hearing – this is all documented and things that people don’t know and why I laugh when people say I’m full of shit. We organized the meeting at the Pentagon and I was supposed to have a hearing with the whole board of the Surgeon General and everybody because of my situation. There were Congressmen – I had three of them, Toby Moffett, Lowell Weicker and the Gov. of Connecticut O’Neill sent a letter and finally I got some action. I had a hearing. This Pentagon board meeting was called with senators invited as well. They could not get my military records because this is when I found out they had been moved from St. Louis to the Pentagon for review and now they were permanently at the NSA. I got a letter stating that. And I didn’t even know what the NSA was then, but I found out it was the National Security Agency (in Ft. Meade, Maryland). I called the NSA. They said, ‘Mr. Warren, we have no record of your military service.’ I called back to St. Louis and there was a time when the U. S. Air Force was denying I had ever served! I called the FBI and have people outside of the UFO community that have worked with me on this including senators that know exactly what is going on and know what has happened to me because they have seen proof and evidence of it. They said, ‘There is so much security on you, you’re so highly classified with your records and all, they will do anything to keep you out (of re-enlisting in the USAF). They said, ‘But they can ruin your professional life, too.’ Now, I worked for a television network here in Connecticut during an internship when I was in school finishing up. I’ve done commercials. I’ve copy written for United Airlines. I’ve been somewhat successful. Channel 10 here in Connecticut, I’ve done commercials, and I’ve taught at the Connecticut School of Broadcasting courses in copywriting twice a month. Doing alright for 25-years-old. And I keep the RAF Bentwaters incident away from my professional life. Some people saw the CNN special (reported by Chuck De Caro) and I was told to stop doing this (participating in interviews). BY WHOM? By my boss at the TV station. He said he didn’t want controversy. Word came down from the NBC network not to do any story on Bentwaters. And I don’t know if I remember the incident exactly – or the way I want to remember at times. I’d have to sit down with a psychologist who believes in UFOs to sort it out. I probably need one in certain aspects. I’ve grown up with this essentially! I called down to Randolph AFB, Texas, and I talked to a captain. I was pursuing my records. He said I was involved in something that happened at RAF Bentwaters in 1980. ‘I know what you are talking about.’ He said that to me just like that. He goes, ‘It would not surprise me if you have some problems.’ I told him I had been having problems for two years. He said, ‘I’ll have someone call you back.’ And I got a call back from a Tech Sergeant Green and he sounded black. He said, ‘Mr. Warren, I’ve been speaking to captain so-and-so and I’m to relay this to you that there is the possibility you might be able to re-enlist in the military if you stop talking about what you are talking about. I have no idea what this means; maybe you do?’ I said, ‘Yes, I sure do!’ And he said, ‘Thank you very much. If you have any more problems, please contact us, but that’s a word of advice I was told to tell you.’<br />
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JUMPING BACK TO SECURITY AT BENTWATERS WHEN THEY HAD YOU SIGN ALL THE PAPERS, DID THEY EXPLAIN TO YOU THAT YOU WERE SIGNING SECURITY OATHS IN WHICH YOU WOULD BE FOUND GUILTY IF YOU VIOLATED THEM?<br />
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They said you could go to jail even if you are a civilian and you talk. They said you could be fined and that ‘bullets are cheap!’ So, I don’t know if they would shoot, you know? But the thing is I don’t know – this is a goddamn weird subject! I get emotional about this because it happened to me. Something happened to me! I remember it the best way I can. I’m angry about it!<br />
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WHY WEREN’T YOU INTIMIDATED BY SECURITY AND GOVERNMENT WHILE EVERYONE ELSE IS?<br />
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Because it’s truth and if I was not telling the truth, then I would not have gone through the problems that I went through. They would not be able to screw around with me if I was just a bullshitter out here, or a clown. I don’t think you would be here talking to me because I would have been found out a long time ago if there was not meat to what I was saying.<br />
Underground Base At RAF Bentwaters: UFO Film and Non-Human Being? Larry Warren agreed to tell Sgt. Adrian Bustinza's experience to protect Bustinza.<br />
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ABOUT THE UNDERGROUND BASE AT RAF BENTWATERS ...<br />
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That was Bustinza, but I was trying to tell it (his firsthand) from me secondhand. The plan was that Adrian would tell his story when he came public, but you know what Bustinza said: ‘Oh, I don’t want to go into that.’ He said that to Larry Fawcett – ‘I don’t want to talk about it.’<br />
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HERE’S THE STORY I HAVE I WANT TO GO OVER WITH YOU: TWO MEN IN BLACK LOOKING LIKE CADAVERS CAME IN TWO BLACK LIMOUSINES. THEY CAME FOR ADRIAN BUSTINZA AFTER HE WOKE UP FROM A BLACKOUT AT THE CRAFT SCENE IN RENDLESHAM FOREST. DID BUSTINZA REMEMBER BLANKING OUT?<br />
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No. Bustinza never blacked out.<br />
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SO, THIS IS A COMBINATION OF THE TWO OF YOU?<br />
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A combination – I combined it. I think the motive here is very honorable. It’s just the way that people who don’t know the whole ramifications, the whole story – and that’s other people’s fault, not mine.<br />
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THAT BUSTINZA WAS IN THE UNDERGROUND BASE UNDER BENTWATERS FOR THREE DAYS AND THERE WERE SIX MEN MISSING FROM BENTWATERS DURING THOSE THREE DAYS AND THAT WAS CONFIRMED BY ANOTHER PERSON.<br />
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There were people who said I was missing, too, and still insist on it. They said, ‘You were gone, man!’ And I said, ‘I was not gone!’ People said I was in the United States on leave. But I remember that I called my mother (from Bentwaters).<br />
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YOU COULD HAVE HAD A TRUE MISSING TIME EXPERIENCE.<br />
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It’s a weird time. I can’t really get a fix on it. I can remember other times in the service real well, but I can’t remember that. Ben Jamison: You were puzzled about your sequence of duties. You were supposed to rotate from flight to flight to flight and then you would get off.<br />
LW: Well, you would work six days on and three days off. And on New Year’s Eve 1980, I was off duty and got stone drunk on champagne. I had three bottles hidden around the base and drank one of them. But I was on duty during the incident. Ben Jamison: The day after Christmas you went to London?<br />
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LW: No, on New Year’s, we went to London on New Year’s Day (January 1, 1981) and stayed down there. On December 6, 1980, was the last time I was in London, I think, before January 1, 1981. Ben Jamison: The day after Christmas you said you wrote to your mother, but never sent the letter. LW: I wrote on December 26 or 27. I had it dated. I wrote to my mother and said it was boring over there and obviously nothing had happened yet. I have that letter somewhere. I’ll have to dig it up. I could be wrong about the date; maybe it was December 27. Ben Jamison: Weren’t you on duty that night you wrote the letter? LW: I went on duty late at night. I remember writing the letter.<br />
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Howe: LET’S CONTINUE WITH THIS STORY THAT BUSTINZA WAS DRIVEN IN SILENCE AS IF IN A DREAM. HE BLACKS OUT AGAIN AND WAKES UP INSIDE AN UNDERGROUND, HUGE COMPLEX. LW: Yeah. HE SEES A UFO LIKE THE ONE IN THE FOREST DOWN BELOW HIM. HE IS STANDING ON SOME SORT OF A CATWALK. LW: Right. HE SEES WHOLE BANKS OF COMPUTERS. HE IS TAKEN TO AN AUDITORIUM WITH ABOUT 30 TO 40 OTHER PEOPLE THAT HE KNOWS FROM BENTWATERS. THERE ARE ALSO HIGH-RANKING OFFICERS PRESENT. THERE IS A (MOVIE) SCREEN. A GENERAL COMES OUT AND SPEAKS. LARRY, DO YOU KNOW WHO THE GENERAL WAS?<br />
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No. I just tried to repeat it as close to how Bustinza told me. It might be different in some aspects.<br />
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THE GENERAL REFERS TO ANY QUESTIONS THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDITORIUM MIGHT HAVE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN RENDLESHAM FOREST AND WHY IT WAS NECESSARY FOR SECRECY. A FILM WAS SHOWN. YOU SAY, LARRY, THAT IT WAS SILENT – NO SOUND, RIGHT?<br />
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Larry Warren Says He Saw UFO Film in AFOSI Office, RF Bentwaters LW: The film I saw, I watched in Major Malcolm Zickler’s office (head of AFOSI at RAF Bentwaters). I think I was tying the film in because Bustinza said he saw the UFO film underground.<br />
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SO YOU DID SEE A FILM, TOO? Oh, yeah. OK, YOU CAN TELL ME IF THE FILM I’M NOW DESCRIBING AS BUSTINZA’S STORY MATCHES WHAT YOU SAW.<br />
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WWII Fighter Squadron Filmed As Fleet of Silver UFOs Passes By<br />
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ONE SCENE WAS WWII BOMBERS FLYING WITH A UFO SILVER DISC FLYING ALONG OUTSIDE THE WINDOW.<br />
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LW: No. That was in there. I know what you are trying to say, but what it was – it was a squadron of fighters – not bombers – flying along in formation and it was like it was filmed from another plane behind that. And you could see a fleet, or bunch of silver things flying past it. Ben Jamison: The Navy had single-engine bombers, so that’s not inconsistent. LW: It was over the ocean. And that was a quick one and black and white.<br />
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SQUADRON OF FIGHTERS FLYING IN FORMATION WITH A FLEET OF UFOS FLYING IN FORMATION IN THE FOREGROUND OR BACKGROUND?<br />
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Well, here were the bombers out this way, the planes, and here was obviously a camera on another plane, I guess, and these (UFO) things went past and went out (of frame). There were clouds and everything – that was one part.<br />
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FLYBY – AS IF IT WERE SET UP FOR THE OTHER PLANE TO FILM?<br />
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No, it looked like the (camera) plane was just photographing bombers flying and these (UFO) things went by real fast. None of the films looked staged or expected.<br />
Green, Large Craft Rose Up from Vietnam Woods Another film showed Special Forces at a fire base in Vietnam definitely and a couple of guys were smoking cigarettes. They had shirts off and one guy had a beret – so they were Green Beret, a Special Forces group. They turned around towards woods – not really jungle – a thicket of trees – and this big thing rose out. It was dark, drab color. You could see trees, or pieces of branches, falling off down into the jungle and the thing went up and the guys were looking at it.<br />
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WAS THAT IN COLOR?<br />
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Yep.<br />
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LIKE A DARK GREY COLOR (THE MACHINE)?<br />
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Dark green kind of color, during the daytime.<br />
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WHAT WOULD BE THE YEAR FOR THE SQUADRON OF FIGHTERS (B&W FILM)?<br />
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1940s, WWII era. No dates were given, but you can guess somewhat.<br />
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IN MY NOTES, I HAVE THAT THE CRAFT THAT ROSE FROM THE JUNGLE IN VIETNAM WAS LIKE THE BENTWATERS CRAFT?<br />
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No. It had the same idea with delta shape, but it was like – it’s hard to describe. It was on the same principal, but much larger. Very big! Smooth and just a green thing rising up.<br />
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SO NO BOXES AND PIPES LIKE WHAT YOU SAW AT BENTWATERS?<br />
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No, it was smooth. It had like delta-type things.<br />
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YOU MEAN?<br />
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Looked kind of like this – maybe I can draw it. This thing just rose straight up in broad daylight. It was very clear, very good film, and just went out of sight very slowly. As real as real can be! And the military men are all looking like surprised.<br />
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WHY WOULD ANYONE HAVE BEEN FILMING THAT SCENE IN VIETNAM?<br />
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I’ve seen tons of Vietnam film. So, someone had a camera because a lot of it looked like the film was focused on the guys and then the camera just panned. It was out of focus and then it caught this thing rising. People had 8 mm or 16 mm film.<br />
Korean War Dogfight Between Chinese MIG and Ball of Light<br />
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ANOTHER FILM CLIP WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE KOREAN WAR AND A MIG IS SHOT DOWN BY A UFO?<br />
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[In UFO film shown underground at Bentwaters] it was the Korean War and what happens is that a MIG – there is a dogfight definitely going on. Some kind of bright ball of light passes the MIG and the MIG comes down in smoke and everything. And the camera on the aircraft was following it - it seemed lower than the MIG - there were mountains and definitely Korea – the plane filming flew down towards the wreckage of the MIG and the film just stops right there. It’s very quick. A lot of this is quick.<br />
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THE BRIGHT BALL OF LIGHT WAS WHICH COLOR?<br />
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I don’t know. It was B & W film.<br />
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WHEN THE LIGHT PASSES THE BIG, THE MIG EXPLODES.<br />
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Yes, it almost looked like a rocket was shot at the MIG. That’s what you would think if you saw it on TV – that a missile was shot out and kept going. The basic theme of the film they showed was UFOs and so this had to be a UFO that hit the MIG.<br />
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COULD YOU TELL WHAT YEAR IT WAS?<br />
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No, except it was the Korean War era. [The war began on 25 June 1950 and an armisticewas signed on 27 July 1953.] It was a Chinese MIG.<br />
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Three Silver Discs Filmed On Moon During Apollo 11 Buzz Aldrin, 2005: “There was something out there that was close enough to be observed and what could it be? Mike (Collins) decided he thought he could see it in the telescope and he was able to do that and when it was in one position, that had a series of ellipses, but when you made it real sharp it was sort of L-shaped. That didn't tell us very much.”<br />
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[Editor's Note: Wikipedia - NASA's Apollo 11 mission landed the first humans to walk on the Moon on July 20, 1969, crewed by Commander Neil Alden Armstrong, Lunar Module Pilot Edwin Eugene ‘Buzz’Aldrin, Jr. and Command Module Pilot Michael Collins, who orbited in the Command Module. In September 2005, the Science Channel broadcast a documentary entitled, First On the Moon: The Untold Story.<br />
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About 14 minutes and 30 seconds into the program, former NASA astronaut Buzz Aldin described a UFO encounter while Apollo 11 was traveling to the moon. UFO Evidence transcribed segment.<br />
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“Narrator: But three days and 200,000 miles into the flight, Mission Control did miss the significance of a cryptic message from Apollo 11.<br />
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Apollo 11: Do you have any idea where the S-IVB is with respect to us? Mission Control: Stand-by<br />
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Narrator: The Crew required information on the current position of the S-IVB, the final stage of the rocket which had been jettisoned away two days earlier. This short message hid an extraordinary turn of events: Apollo 11 wasn't alone in space.<br />
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Buzz Aldrin: There was something out there that was close enough to be observed and what could it be? Narrator: Traveling along side of Apollo 11 was a mysterious object like this one (a ringed object at close range is shown), filmed on a later mission. If it wasn't part of their own rocket, it could only be one thing: a UFO.<br />
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Aldrin: Mike (Collins) decided he thought he could see it in the telescope and he was able to do that and when it was in one position, that had a series of ellipses, but when you made it real sharp it was sort of L shaped. That didn't tell us very much. Dr. David Baker (Apollo 11 Senior Scientist): NASA knew very little about the object reported by the Apollo 11 crew. It was obviously an unidentified flying object (UFO), but such objects were not uncommon and the history of even earth orbit space flights going back over the previous years indicated that several crews saw objects.<br />
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Narrator: Despite having a clear view of the UFO, the crew was wary of reporting it to Mission Control.<br />
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Aldrin: Now, obviously, the three of us were not going to blurt out, ‘Hey Houston we got something moving along side of us and we don't know what it is, you know, can you tell us what it is?’ We weren't about to do that, cause we know that those transmissions would be heard by all sorts of people and who knows what somebody would have demanded that we turn back because of Aliens or whatever the reason is, so we didn't do that, but we did decide we'd just cautiously ask Houston where, how far away was the S-IVB?<br />
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Narrator: Unaware of the drama unfolding in space, Mission Control radioed the position back to Apollo 11.<br />
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Mission Control: Apollo 11, Houston. The S-IVB is about 6,000 nautical miles from you now, over.<br />
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Aldrin: And a few moments later, why they came back and said something like it was 6,000 miles away because of the maneuver, so we really didn't think we were looking at something that far away, so we decided that after a while of watching it, it was time to go to sleep and not to talk about it anymore until we came back and (went through) debriefing.<br />
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Narrator: To this day, whatever it was that the crew saw has never been positively identified or officially acknowledged.<br />
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Dr. David Baker: There were a lot of people within the program who went off later and became convinced that UFOs existed and that lead to some concern on NASA's part where they got the agreement of the crew never to publicly talk about these things for fear of ridicule.” ]<br />
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Howe: THEN FILM ON THE MOON. A LAND ROVER TRAVELING ON THE DUSTY MOON AND THREE UFOS RISE UP OVER HILLY AREA BEYOND.<br />
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LW: They were ON the hill.<br />
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THEY WERE NOT RISING?<br />
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No, they were on the hill. You see the camera comes up and these three things are on it – not a hill, but like a cliff almost and they are there.<br />
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THEY WERE SILVER AND SMOOTH?<br />
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Just bright, like light was reflecting off of them. They were not lit up.<br />
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SILVER DISCS.<br />
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Yes, just sitting there.<br />
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ON A CLIFF AND AS THE LUNAR BUGGY MOVED, THE THREE DISCS COME INTO SIGHT ON THE CAMERA.<br />
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Yeah. The camera, whatever this camera was, was on that lunar vehicle and was around 1973, in that era.”<br />
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“THAT’S FOUR FILM SCENES YOU JUST DESCRIBED WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?<br />
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The film showed buildings, or like a big, rectangular shoe box, on the moon. That’s all it showed from that same era of the space car on the moon. It showed like the same color of the moon’s surface, but had a ‘shoe box-like’ structure to it. Very quick.<br />
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LIKE ADOBE?<br />
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No, like a shoe box. There were no windows in it or anything. Square, like a clump of - it looked like the same ground, but a square box on it. And some kind of very symmetrical carvings in the landscape. It really did! That was it, very quick, but it was like a shoe box. No windows. I don’t know what it was, but it was big and built.<br />
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[ Editor's Note: Wikipedia - “Clementine (officially called the Deep Space Program Science Experiment (DSPSE) was a joint space project between the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization (BMDO, previously the Strategic Defense Initiative Organization (SDIO) and NASA. Launched on January 25, 1994, the objective of the mission was to test sensors and spacecraft components under extended exposure to the space environment and to make scientific observations of the Moon and the near- Earth asteroid 1620 Geographos. Observations made included imaging at various wavelengths in the visible as well as in ultraviolet and infrared, laser ranging altimetry, gravimetry, and charged particle measurements. These observations were for the purposes of obtaining multi-spectral imaging of the entire lunar surface, assessing the surface mineralogy of the Moon, obtaining altimetry from 60N to 60S latitude, and obtaining gravity data for the near side. There were also plans to image and determine the size, shape, rotational characteristics, surface properties, and cratering statistics of Geographos, but by June 1994, it was announced that the Clementine ‘signal was too weak to receive’ and the mission unexpectedly ended” - at least in public.]<br />
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ANY OTHER FILM SCENES?<br />
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A lot of gun camera film – jets following something.<br />
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Ben Jamison: Was there anything having to do with the space program, but not on the moon?<br />
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Larry Warren: Oh, yeah! It showed the astronauts, the sky walks, the Sky Lab, a lot of film, lights coming by it and objects below it. It showed a space walk maybe from that same era with a guy outside of the ship and you could see something go right – like something in the darkness - go right over and the guy was trying to check it out or something. It was all there. Just different clips, very quick and very brief.<br />
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[ Editor's Note: Wikipedia - “ During Sky Lab launch on May 14, 1973, some 63 seconds into flight, the micrometeor shield on the Orbital Workshop (OWS) experienced a failure that caused it to be caught up in the supersonic air flow during ascent. This ripped the shield from the OWS and damaged the tie downs that secured one of the solar array systems. Complete loss of one of the solar arrays happened at 593 seconds when the exhaust plume from the S-II's separation rockets impacted the partially deployed solar array system. Without the micrometeoroid shield that was to protect against solar heating as well, temperatures inside the OWS rose to 126 degrees fahrenheit. The gold “parasol” clearly visible in the photo, was designed to replace the missing micrometeoroid shield, protecting the workshop against solar heating. The replacement solar shield was deployed by the Skylab I crew. This enabled the Skylab Orbital Workshop to fulfill all its mission objects serving as home to additional crews before being deorbited in 1978 in a deliberate crash of Sky Lab back to Earth.”]<br />
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WERE THE CRAFT ALWAYS THE SAME?<br />
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No, everything looked different. Sometimes you could not see a craft, just saw a streak of something, a light.<br />
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HOW LONG WAS THIS FILM OF THE CLIPS?<br />
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Now that’s – under an hour, 45 minutes maybe? Half-hour to 45 minutes to an hour, in that area.<br />
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YOU SAW THE SAME 45-MINUTE CLIP THAT BUSTINZA SAW?<br />
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Yep! He told me parts of it that we discussed.<br />
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IT WAS SILENT?<br />
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Right, no narration, no titles, no nothing.<br />
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THE TALL BLOND AND THE BLACK HAIRED GUY – HOW DID THEY SET UP WHAT THE FILM YOU WERE GOING TO SEE?<br />
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There was a movie projector in the office. They locked all the doors. The windows, the shades were all down. They had a screen set up, a makeshift little screen. They showed it. They had it in an ironclad – you know those protected things with locks you would not believe. DIA and all these codes on the thing and a lock, a coded system, that you punch in. That was the case this thing (movie film) was in! I never saw them take it or leave it. They left the room and the film was still there. It was like business as usual to them.<br />
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YES, BUT HAD YOU SIGNED ALL THE RELEASES BY THEN?<br />
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That was just after the end (signing non-disclosure releases) they said, ‘Bullets are cheap.’ And, ‘we’re going to show you a little film.’ This was the only time they hinted. ‘We want – you might understand what has happened here a little better.’ Now, I understood it NO better. I was saying, ‘Oh, here are movies of UFOs. Now, what are they doing?’ We saw them (film) and people have said maybe they were faked and maybe it was disinformation for you. But the films I saw – I know special effects to a degree – and there is no way. They were just real films. You know, the average person, you just sit there and watch them because they are on film.<br />
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BUT THEY DID NOT TRY TO EXPLAIN TO YOU ANYTHING?<br />
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No.<br />
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JUST TOLD YOU THEY WERE GOING TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING THAT WILL SHOW WHY...<br />
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No, they didn’t say they would show. They said, ‘You’re going to see a film that might help you understand what’s happened here.’ That’s it. No hints. I was pretty silent, but then they started joking about ‘bullets are cheap,’ and I thought that was kind of morbid, you know? Everyone was laughing because they were very keyed up.<br />
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AND THAT WAS THE ROOM ...<br />
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It was in a simple office on the ground level. They locked the door. And they had jail cells out the hallway there.<br />
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IN THAT SCREENING, JOHN BURROUGHS WAS NOT THERE; ADRIAN BUSTINZA WAS THERE FOR PART OF THE TIME, BUT ...<br />
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For part of the interview. He was not there for the screening. They took him out.<br />
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HE TOLD YOU ABOUT SEEING THE FILM IN THE UNDERGROUND BASE.<br />
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He told me in March or April 1981 about his experience. I’m staying away from Bustinza’s experience now because again, I have enough trouble with mine and I’m not going to carry the ball for Adrian. I did for a long time, but he did not do what he said he would do (disclose his true experience).<br />
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BUSTINZA IS PROBABLY SCARED.<br />
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Well, I called his house and his mother got on the phone and she knew who I was. I never could reach him. He works in the Border Patrol, I think, in Texas. His mother thought I was Larry Fawcett because he had talked a few times and Larry’s kind of persistent. I said, ‘Mrs. Bustinza, I served with Adrian. I was in the service with him. Please ask him if I can talk to him.’ She said, ‘This has caused nothing but problems for my family and I wish Adrian would stay out of this.’<br />
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Chuck De Caro, when he interviewed Adrian (for CNN), Chuck asked him outright, ‘Is Larry Warren lying?’ Chuck let Adrian see everything that I’ve been involved with. And Adrian said, ‘No.’ Chuck said Adrian was simply scared. What happened to Adrian after December 1980, I don’t know. Everyone – my friend Greg Battram – I contacted him. You (Ben Jamison) have spoken to Greg, right? Ben Jamison: Yes. Larry Warren: I guess he told you he couldn’t continue. Ben Jamison: I called him the first time and he was a good story telling guy and the second time I called him, it was only five minutes. Now, the thing that people forget is that every single person involved in this, there have been other witnesses. I have heard them on CNN. I have heard people like Ray Boeche (Nebraska investigator) has talked to Adrian and Adrian is not telling the truth and I can tell. I knew Adrian well enough that I knew he didn’t trust Ray. Adrian did not trust who he was speaking to and he was giving disinformation. I have heard disinformation given on the Bentwaters case by the government anyway. I have heard it given by witnesses on CNN like – for one, I always said there was motion picture. Adrian said long before CNN that the film was flown to Germany the very next day. Capt. Mike Verrano comes up on CNN and says, “I did drive Williams (Gordon Williams - Base Commander), to an F-16 on the Bentwaters tarmac the AM of the 30th. He had two canisters of 35mm footage with him...He told me directly that it was actual footage of the UFOs on the ground...” Verrano said he had pictures of the UFO – meaning motion pictures. Where is it going? He said there were 35mm (photos), but that did not come out – so they say. Verrano said all the photographs came out foggy, but they did not because I saw the pictures. I’ve seen pictures (photos) from this (December 1980 Bentwaters)! I won’t go into that, but they did not come out foggy whatsoever. There are pictures and there is motion picture. I’ve never seen the films, but they do exist.<br />
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WHY NOT GO INTO THE PHOTOGRAPHS?<br />
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Because I have seen some of the stuff they gathered that night. I have seen the sample bottles, I’ve seen one of the pod indentations (in forest soil), the plaster cast, a lot of the stuff is kept.<br />
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COL. HALT SAID THEY HAD DONE PLASTER CASTS.<br />
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He said they threw it all away. It’s at Wright-Patterson in Foreign Technology right now. Col. Halt has given out so much disinformation.<br />
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LET ME CONTINUE ON THIS LIST OF WHO WAS AT THE FILM SCREENING. GEORGE LAWS?<br />
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No, George was not there. These were all lower ranking people, sergeant and below.<br />
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CAPT. MIKE VERRANO?<br />
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No.<br />
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STEVE LA PLUME?<br />
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No, Steve wasn’t there.<br />
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COL. GORDON WILLIAMS?<br />
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No. Gordon Williams was not there.<br />
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LT. BRUCE ENGLUND?<br />
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No, no officers at all, except that Major Malcolm Zickler came in and out sometimes. It was his office.<br />
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A GUY NAMED CARPENTER?<br />
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Carpenter, good ol’ Carpenter. Yes.<br />
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WHAT WAS HIS FIRST NAME?<br />
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This is the blond-haired kid we were talking about. I don’t remember his first name.<br />
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SOMEBODY NAMED GULIUS? [ Ray Gulyas.] [ Editor’s Note: Former RAF Bentwaters Deputy Base Commander Charles Halt told me in August 2009, “I definitely was not out in the forest with Capt. Mike Verrano [ during the daylight hours of December 26, 1980]. I only knew he was out the next day because several others told me. ...Ray Gulyas (E-4 or E-5, Buck Sgt. or Staff Sgt.) ... somewhere I've seen pictures he took of the ‘landing site’ the morning after [of] the first event.” See: September 15 - 17, 2009 Earthfiles.]<br />
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He was the administrative monitor, I think. He did all the testing. He was around that day, but I don’t think he was in the room. He was in the building that day. He’d come in and out. He took care of all the paperwork. He was a Master Sergeant.<br />
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MASTER SERGEANT FRED SMITH? No. MAJOR ZICKLER, IT WAS HIS OFFICE FOR THE BRIEFING?<br />
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Ben Jamison: But the film was not shown in the office where you had the briefing, was it? Didn’t you get up and go down the hall? Larry Warren: ‘When we first came in, all the papers – you go in the building and there’s a desk. The papers we signed were not in - we went down in a line and just signed papers. They were all in a block with our names and we just signed down. They had Xs marked on the ones we were not to sign and different flags of the reports. Then we walked into Zickler’s office. That’s where the film was and that’s where they did most of the talking behind closed doors. But the paper, we were very quiet. There were people there operating the controls.<br />
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OK, ZICKLER WAS IN AND OUT AND IT WAS HIS OFFICE FOR THE BRIEFING.<br />
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But he left for the film. He was not in there.<br />
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GREG BATTRAM?<br />
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Greg – I don’t believe Greg was there.<br />
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THOMPSON?<br />
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Yes, he was there.<br />
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HIS RANK WAS?<br />
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Airman or Senior Airman? I don’t remember what his rank was, but I think Senior Airman.<br />
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OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAME UP IN THAT NIGHT (THAT LARRY WARREN WAS INVOLVED), THERE WERE ONLY...<br />
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There are a lot of people I honestly don’t remember their names.<br />
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BUT OUT OF THAT NIGHT, IT APPEARS THAT ONLY THOMPSON, CARPENTER, YOU, AND THE NEW YORK GUY ARE THE ONLY ONES FROM YOUR NIGHT IN THE BRIEFING.<br />
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There were two Thompsons. There was a Dean Thompson, too. There were a couple of other people, but I don’t know their names. I had only been at Bentwaters for a month at that time (December 1980). A lot of these guys I had gone through training with down at Lackland in Texas, so I knew them.<br />
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HOW MANY WERE IN THAT BRIEFING ROOM (Major Malcolm Zickler’s office) AT ONE TIME? About ten. IT WAS NOT UNTIL MARCH 1981 THAT BUSTINZA CALLED YOU TO HIS ROOM AND WANTED TO UNLOAD ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED UNDERGROUND WITH HIM?<br />
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He wanted to rehash the case and the harassment he had been going through on base. He told me a lot things, a lot I don’t remember, but it was in March 1981, late March on a night.<br />
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IS THAT WHEN HE MENTIONED, ‘DID YOU SEE THE MAN WITH THE CAPE?’<br />
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Yeah. Now, this is something – I don’t know what context he was putting this in. There was something about something in the woods, something real tall, and he could hardly get words to describe it.<br />
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HE DID NOT TRY TO DESCRIBE TO YOU?<br />
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I don’t remember. I just remember something about it was bizarre. Some of the things he was saying, he seemed real upset, so I had no reason to question him.<br />
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Ben Jamison: Was he upset when you didn’t remember the man in the cape?<br />
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Larry Warren: No, it was like, ‘You’re kidding! No, I don’t remember anything like that.’ Maybe Adrian was saying it was something he saw. I don’t know. There was something he talked about that was very tall. I have an image in my head [ from listening to Bustinza] of a very tall thing like a person that was in a cape. That’s all Adrian mentioned. I don’t know how it fit in. I don’t remember. It was five years ago [ late March 1981] when Adrian and I had that conversation. I don’t remember the conversation, it was so long ago. But he said something about someone out there on a path in a long cape, very tall. I don’t remember how he put it, but it happened that night. I remember that was one of the scary parts when we were talking. Whether he said, ‘Did you see it?’ or ‘I saw it,’ or ‘It was there the whole time’? I don’t remember.<br />
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PART OF THE STORY I HAVE BEEN TOLD IS THERE WAS A NEED FOR SOME ELECTRONIC PART BY THE NON-HUMANS AND THERE WAS SOME KIND OF A LANDING. YOU HAVE SAID BEFORE THAT YOU HEARD CLEARLY COL. GORDON WILLIAMS, ‘WE’LL GET IT FROM ELECTRONICS.’<br />
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That is a little bit of Bustinza again (not me). See, I was trying to incorporate everything I heard and after it was sorted out, we’d find out if it were real or not. I would be the fall guy. I didn’t care because I knew it was real. Bustinza said to me – I mean, we don’t have a UFO supply on base and what would we have that they can use? And that’s what Bustinza said about parts or something flown from Germany.”<br />
Bustinza said to me – I mean, we don’t have a UFO supply on base and what would we have that they can use? And that’s what Bustinza said about parts or something flown from Germany.” :<br />
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“LARRY, WHY DO YOU THINK I WAS TOLD THAT YOU WERE LEGITIMATE, BUT THAT YOUR STORY WOULD CHANGE BECAUSE YOU WERE TOLD TO MUDDY THE WATERS OR YOU WOULD BE HURT? THE IMPLICATION ALWAYS IS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE HURT IN THEIR CAREERS OR THROUGH THE IRS OR SOME WAY.<br />
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I never was told that, to muddy the waters, ever. My biggest problem with the story changing is that I had all this information from everyone, including Bustinza. Obviously, I did not experience everything that happened on that base, but I took it all with me. And I was the first to come out. I made the mistake of not just dealing with what happened to me, in which you would have found nothing that deviated. But under all these different situations that caused a lot of problems, I tried to handle it, the whole thing.<br />
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FROM ADRIAN BUSTINZA.<br />
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Bustinza and other things I heard and I tried to put them all out to be sorted out. I said, ‘Some day if it’s wrong, it’s going to come out. People are either going to trust me enough, or it’s going to destroy my credibility.’ Now, for the most part, it has not (destroyed my credibility.)<br />
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DID YOU EVER GET A DESCRIPTION FROM JOHN BURROUGHS ABOUT WHAT HE TRIED TO GRAB ON TO?<br />
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Oh, no, I never knew that except from Lee Spiegel (NBC) when he talked to Col. Halt. about grabbing on to something in the forest. What Col. Halt said about me was all I was concerned with because I figured Col. Halt was giving out disinformation. He has to! He has no choice – like Barry Greenwood (Citizens Against UFO Secrecy) said, ‘Col. Halt seems to want to say something.’ Col. Halt said to Lee Spiegel, ‘There is so much more to this than I can say.’ Something happened to Col. Halt out there that he can’t talk about.<br />
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ONE GOVERNMENT SOURCE SAID IT WAS JOHN BURROUGHS WHO TRIED TO RUN UP TO THE CRAFT, OR ON IT, WHEN SOMETHING RED APPEARED.<br />
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I don’t endorse aliens, but I know in my heart I saw what I saw. I don’t know where it’s from. I don’t know why it’s here. And I always believed (in other life), always did.<br />
Larry Warren’s Nightmares After RAF Bentwaters Phenomena In my dreams, something is talking. It’s alien – the alien feeling when you see these things. You can’t describe it because everything in the atmosphere around you does something. It gets charged, or so still. RAF Bentwaters – nothing will ever top that ever again!<br />
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CAN YOU CONCENTRATE ON THE FEELING YOU’VE EXPERIENCED IN YOUR NIGHTMARES. THINK ABOUT THE PART THAT IS SO UNPLEASANT YOU DON’T WANT TO THINK ABOUT, BUT TRY.<br />
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It’s like never in my life have I dreamed about UFOs ever. But about a year ago for the first time (1985) – you know how the story came out about how I came to talk about Bentwaters?<br />
The Betty Andreasson Luca Connection I had oral surgery when I was fighting with the military at the time. I had 18 stitches in my mouth. I picked up the Hartford newspaper one day right after the surgery. Here I am reading the Hartford Current and here is this article – a woman standing next to a paper mache construction model of an alien entity she supposedly met. She is from the town next over from where I lived. I got a feeling. It said her husband worked at a Toyata company and was a manager there. I called up the place and asked to speak to Bob Luca. He came on the line and I told him I had just read the article in the Hartford Current and said, ‘I’m not a nut. Can we set up a time and place?’ He said, ‘Fine, I’ll call you later.’ Like a compulsion to hook up! I met them. Betty I believe truly had an experience. She brings a lot of religion into it. You’ll never find a finer, more decent person and very concerned for me, too. I get over to their house and tell them about RAF Bentwaters and sure enough, they know Larry Fawcett (Citizens Against UFO Secrecy). So Betty and Bob set up a meeting with Larry Fawcett and his wife, Lois. They came down a couple of weeks later. We went out to dinner and Larry was checking me out.<br />
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They had heard something about the Bentwaters case. I told them guardedly, just pieces. As time went by and I talked to him more, I gave him times and approximate dates – enough information to file a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. And finally he gets a document and it just snowballed. Two weeks after I met Larry Fawcett, I’m sitting at home. My father’s wife is there and I asked, ‘Do you need anything at the store?’ She said, ‘No.’ I said, ‘I have to go to the store.’ I get up and go down to a convenience store, go in and there is Omni magazine. I never read Omni magazine, science fiction, and had no interest in it. But I pick up Omni and am flipping through it and see an item, ‘UFO Update.’ It said, ‘On a night on or about December 30, 1980, at RAF Bentwaters...’ And I go, ‘Oh, my God! It’s out! Someone is talking about it.’ So, I bought the magazine. I'd just gone public myself.<br />
CNN Documentary Mentions E.T.s Sgt. Bob Ball talked about aliens. CNN’s Chuck De Caro told me, ‘Everyone that I talked to off the record verified everything. But when they got on the record, they would not talk about aliens at all, except Sgt. Ball. Listen to the CNN tape. Sgt. Ball says, ‘We saw life forms or a life form of some sort and vehicles that are not from this planet.’ It’s on the CNN tape. People blow past that.<br />
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GOING BACK TO THAT TIME PERIOD BETWEEN 1980 AND 1983, BUSTINZA WAS IN HIS ROOM AND HE TELLS YOU ABOUT THE UNDERGROUND. DID YOU SIT DOWN AND HAVE A ONE-ON-ONE WITH ANYBODY ELSE?<br />
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Adrian and I were one time going to try to get John Burroughs with us to talk, but we never did.<br />
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WAS IT COL. HALT WHO SAID THAT JOHN BURROUGHS HAD BEEN CAMPING IN THE FOREST FOR TWO WEEKS?<br />
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Halt, I’ve been there when Larry Fawcett talked to him on the phone when Halt was in England. And Halt hated me. I don’t know why, but Halt was furious, angry about people using his name and he said he was going to sue. Larry Fawcett said, ‘Colonel Halt, Art Wallace [ Larry Warren ] didn’t even know you were involved in this until the January 13, 1980, Halt memo came out.’<br />
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WHAT WAS COL. HALT’S RESPONSE TO WHAT WAS PUBLICIZED OVER HIS NAME? DID HE SAY, ‘YES, I DID THE MEMO VOLUNTARILY’? OR DID HE SAY HE WAS TOLD TO WRITE IT THE WAY THE MEMO IS WRITTEN?<br />
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He never commented. The fact that he waited until January 13, 1981, to write the memo to the MoD, like, ‘Oh, yeah, that thing that happened a couple of weeks ago.’ It was known that this was so big and so many people were involved in one aspect or another, there had to be at least one like me who would talk. There were others who did their share of talking, too. But that memo came out on purpose. If they really didn’t want the memo to be released, it would never have come out.<br />
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THE HALT MEMO AND THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE LETTER.<br />
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But Halt’s memo is inconsistent. When Chuck De Caro showed it to a lot of people, their response was that there were a lot of inconsistencies that didn’t match up with what they knew. That was the general consensus.<br />
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YOU ALSO HEARD ABOUT ELECTRONIC ENGLISH BEING HEARD IN THE CONTROL TOWER?<br />
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Yes, electronically synthesized version of English that was consistent with the MoD document that I only saw for the first time in Japan. I said, ‘The MoD has got it right<br />
and they’ve got the date right, I believe.’ And I brought that document to this country! I was the first one to bring the MoD document here.<br />
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WHERE DID YOU GET THE DOCUMENT?<br />
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I’ve seen other flags of this MoD memo, too. It goes into different logistics and the whos and the whats.<br />
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WHO RELEASED IT?<br />
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All I know is how I got it. A TV producer in Japan showed it to me on a TV show I was doing there live. He said, ‘Read it.’ I read it and said, ‘It’s somewhat true. We were not SAC (Strategic Air Command), we were TAC (Tactical Air Command) – so that’s an inconsistency on there. Whoever leaked the MoD document knew something! The Japanese TV producer paid for it. Harry Harris had the tape [ of lights in Rendlesham? ] that was supposedly given to Harris by a Colonel who said, ‘Oh, I don’t believe in UFOs.’ Harry Harris sold the tape to Japanese TV, plus the MoD document. The Japanese TV producer asked me to not show the document to anybody, but I’ll be damned if I’m just going to keep evidence like that under my belt. I come back to the U. S. and I talk to a guy on the East Coast who says, ‘Let’s contact the National Enquirer! We can split the money. I’ll get $3,000 and you can have $2,000. I get $3,000 because I discovered you.’ I told my father and he said, ‘Larry, don’t be a fool. Don’t do that!’ I said, ‘Dad, I could use that cash.’ He said, ‘No way, don’t be an idiot.’ But sure enough, a guy from the National Enquirer calls me up. I told him, ‘I don’t know if it’s true or false. I’ve just got a document. He said, ‘Well, I don’t think there is too much to it.’ Money is tempting, but not that tempting. Here’s something - the British police were out in the field that night (of light phenomena) and they had cameras. They saw everything. These two English bobbies (policemen) are standing there and they took pictures. Then the USAF took their cameras away. Adrian Bustinza told Ray Boeche, ‘I was told to take their (U. K. police) camera.’” :<br />
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“IN THE BRIEFING WITH THE FILM CLIPS AND SIGNING THE NON- DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS, DID THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE NON-HUMANS IN RENDLESHAM FOREST?<br />
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No, never once! Never said the word ‘alien.’ Never used the word ‘UFO’ or ‘spaceship.’ Never! Nothing! It was all military regulations: who to speak to, what not to discuss. They went around it so smoothly. They never said anything, but we obviously knew what we were there for. Very clever people!<br />
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COULD YOU GO BACK OVER DETAILS AGAIN WHEN YOU SAT WITH ADRIAN BUSTINZA AND WHAT HE SAID?<br />
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We went over the Rendlesham incidents. He mentioned about something wearing a cape. How he fit that in, I don’t recall. It was about something tall with a cape. Now, whether he saw it or not, I don’t know. He told me about the underground facility with the classic Men In Black.<br />
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DETAILS?<br />
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He said they wore black suits. They had a big car with New York license plates. Adrian was called to meet the car. As soon as he got near it, I don’t know if he got shot or something, but he lost consciousness. But he said he remembered the interior of the car seemed too bright, like green. The dashboard lights seemed too bright. Someone else was with him in the car. They got in the back of the car and they were driven. Bustinza said he could only hear sound (he couldn’t open his eyes or move).<br />
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DID THEY GO INTO A BUILDING ON THE BASE?<br />
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They picked Adrian up just outside the door where he lived. Adrian was told to meet a car outside at a certain time.<br />
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WHO TOLD HIM?<br />
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I don’t know. I don’t remember. Someone called him on the phone and said meet such and such. I don’t know who, but he gets out there, gets in the car. This blew my mind – he said he was taken by two men and as they drove, he could not open his eyes and could not move for some reason when he got into the second car.<br />
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BUT HE COULD HEAR? He could hear they were near the flight line. Adrian said he could hear the jets landing. Bustinza said he could feel descent, going down (steps). The next thing he knew, he was eating in a room like a small cafeteria. He remembered things in pieces like being in a room full of high tech equipment with engineers around; being taken to this cavernous ... he told me something very interesting, too. At this time in England, there were all these TV commercials about Exxon and British Petroleum building underground tunnels. One in particular was built in Ireland leading from the sea. Adrian said from the underground catwalk he was on at Bentwaters, it was like in the same tunnel used in those Exxon and BP commercials. I was told it goes 13 miles into the North Sea and this is how these things (alien craft) enter and exit through the water. Adrian said he looked down from the underground catwalk and it was very dark, but there were some humans walking around and there was an object, a spaceship down there. He remembered in parts - I don’t know if he was being cautious with me. He went into another room and it was something like a classroom. Adrian and others were put in comfortable padded chairs. Bustinza said that all of a sudden he could not turn his head from side to side. He couldn’t see the person sitting next to him. Then some kind of screen came up in front of them. There was a light behind the screen that shown out toward him and the others in the room so you couldn’t really see what was behind the screen. They were briefed by a commander or general or someone – I don’t remember who. And then something walked up behind the screen. Adrian said he could see a strange silhouette behind the screen, but not what was making the silhouette, and it talked to him in his mind telepathically about a lot of things, including religion; how the American government and Russia weren’t what they seemed (supposedly Cold War enemies that really weren’t?); that bases (alien? human?) can be made invisible if they have to be or destroyed in a flick if they have to be. Everything on the surface of Earth is a mask for what's below ground! That’s also what another guy told me – it’s all false above ground covering up what is actually going on below. He told me that government is not real. I was saying, ‘Oh, man! with tears about some of the stuff.’<br />
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WHAT ELSE DID BUSTINZA SAY?<br />
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Religion and about Christ. They (military intel briefers?) knew his birth and life that no one else knew. Adrian was hearing this from a voice in his head!<br />
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DID BUSTINZA TELL YOU WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO HIM ABOUT CHRIST?<br />
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I think he did – something about the Pope in the Vatican.<br />
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OK, COULD YOU START FROM THE BEGINNING AGAIN. ADRIAN BUSTINZA COMES TO YOU TO TALK - PICTURE IT IN YOUR MIND.<br />
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Adrian is sitting just like you are on a bunk bed (Warren, Howe and Jamison are in a motel room at 1986 Connecticut conference) and I’m sitting in a chair – just like now exactly with you. Adrian told me the entity behind the screen in the underground room said religion is not what it seems. Religion is a control over people, but there is a Greater Force in the universe, much above whoever They (aliens) are. Something about the Pope and religion that I don’t remember. Then the Pope got shot soon after that (on May 13, 1981).<br />
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[ Editor’s Note: Wikipedia – “The first attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II took place on Wednesday, May 13, 1981, in St. Peter's Square at Vatican City. The Pope was shot and critically wounded by Mehmet Ali Agca, a trained sniper from Turkey, while he was entering the square. The Pope was struck four times by bullets from a Browning Hi-Power rifle, and suffered serious blood loss. Agca was apprehended immediately and later sentenced to life in prison by an Italian court.<br />
The Fatima Connection: Our “Lady of Fatima” is the name given by three children tending sheep on a Fatima hillside in Portugal to a beautiful woman who appeared to them in glowing light above a tree. The children assumed the lady was the Virgin Mary and she first appeared to them on the May 13, 1917, and on the 13th day of each month thereafter until October 13, 1917. The Lady communicated “secrets of Fatima” about prophecies and the upcoming end of the world, particularly related to possible world war and the conversion of Russia away from Communism. The reported apparitions at Fatima were officially declared “worthy of belief” by the Catholic Church. On June 26, 2000, Pope John Paul II released the “Third Secret of Fatima” in which he said that the May 13, 1981, assassination attempt on his own life by Agca was the fulfillment of the third Fatima Secret. The resonance of the assassination attempt with the May 13th Fatima apparitions was something the Pope always regarded as significant, attributing his survival on May 13, 1981, to the Virgin Mary protecting John Paul. Many critics suspect that the Church did not provide full disclosure of the third Fatima Secret, believing that it actually predicted the Apocalypse. While in prison, Agca was reported to have developed an obsession with the Fatima miracle and during his trial claimed he was the second coming of Jesus Christ and asked the Vatican to release the whole Third Secret. On March 31, 2005, just two days prior to Pope John Paul's death, Agca gave an interview saying “the devil is inside Vatican's wall,” and claimed he had accomplices inside the Vatican who helped in the assassination attempt. Agca also said: “Many calculating politicians are worried about what revealing the complete truth would do. Some of them fear that the Vatican will have a spiritual collapse like the Berlin Wall. Let me ask: why don't the CIA, the Sismi, the Sisde and other intelligence agencies reveal the truth about the Orlandi case?” Emanuela Orlandi, the daughter of a Vatican employee, disappeared at age 15 on June 22, 1983. Anonymous phone calls offered her release in exchange for the release of Agca. Archbishop Paul Marcinkus was alleged to be part of the Orlandi kidnapping, although no charges were brought.]<br />
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Larry Warren: “The religion stuff was quite interesting to Adrian, who was raised Catholic, but he said it was described much different than we imagine. He was also told that the military structures were all a game between the U. S. and Russia corporations that make wars (for money). And you can see it with gas prices going up again right now (1986). This is a game being played here!<br />
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CAN YOU REMEMBER MORE OF WHAT BUSTINZA SAID ABOUT THE ALIEN COMMUNICATION?<br />
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Oh, my God – the most important thing I almost forgot. Adrian told me, ‘They are coming here! – this is Adrian Bustinza talking – They are among us! You might know them and there are people on the base who either work with them or are them.’<br />
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I asked, ‘How do the aliens look like human beings?’<br />
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He said, ‘They do! And the aliens are in government.’<br />
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This really blew my mind – the aliens are in government in levels beyond the President. The President is nothing, only an ornament like all the world leaders are ornaments. There are so many things – when I got upgraded security. Like General Gordon Williams would have a TOP SECRET clearance, I had a SECRET clearance. They said there were 38 levels above TOP SECRET in the government – I was told this directly when I was getting my SECRET clearance.<br />
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Bustinza told me, ‘The President means nothing and a lot of our government is Them (aliens). He said they are from something that is dying, having to come here, and they have been doing it since the 1940s, coming here and getting into society some how. Something about the mail system and there are underground bases – Plattsburgh, New York, was named (not far from White Mountains of New Hampshire where Betty and Barney Hill described a non-human abduction in September 19–20, 1961.) Under a lot of military bases, there are underground facilities that are massive, apparently. Off of Florida is one of the biggest underwater/ underground installations. In South America, the aliens have a massive installation off Peru. The Peruvian government is fully aware it’s there and they stay away. They don’t mess with it.<br />
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OK, LET’S GO BACK TO BUSTINZA. HE SITS DOWN ON THE BED AND YOU ARE SITTING IN A CHAIR NEAR HIM. HOW DID HE START?<br />
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He was crying! He was crying, a grown man crying telling me these things.<br />
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HE STARTS OUT CRYING LIKE HE HAD BEEN HOLDING SOMETHING IN?<br />
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Yes, it was like so frustrating to him. He said, ‘I want to get out of here. I’m either going to kill someone or they are going to kill me before it’s over.’ Apparently, Bustinza pulled a knife on a black Lieutenant (Bonnie Tamplin?) who was pressuring him about something. He flipped and pulled a knife on her.<br />
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BUSTINZA PULLED A KNIFE ON A BLACK LIEUTENANT?<br />
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Yes, he told me this.<br />
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THE LIEUTENANT WAS PRESSURING BUSTINZA TO KEEP QUIET?<br />
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Something. I don’t recall. I’ve told you all I remember about that conversation. There was so much to it. It was emotionally charged and Adrian even had me on the border of tears because after having the experience (in Rendlesham Forest), Adrian is laying on to me that I’m sitting on top of an alien base here on Earth (that RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge would be the surface above an underground, non-human- controlled base). I had no reason to disbelieve that the aliens are here. Adrian told me exactly where the underground facility is (near RAF Bentwaters). I told Larry Fawcett, ‘I have to fess up here – I did not experience the underground facility firsthand. It was Bustinza’s story.’ Larry Fawcett said, ‘OK.’<br />
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I UNDERSTAND. PLEASE CONTINUE MORE WITH WHAT ADRIAN BUSTINZA TOLD YOU.<br />
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OK, it hit religion, especially about the aliens coming into society somehow and they are doing something – I don’t know if they are taking over, but they have identities taken care of by the governments of the world – and something about Third World countries are almost insignificant.<br />
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SO WHAT IS THE GAME BEING PLAYED BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND THE SOVIET UNION THROUGH THE NON-HUMAN ALIENS?<br />
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The Soviet Union has had major catastrophes with these (alien) things. Some of them (aliens) dislike the Soviet Union a great deal. Others like the Soviets and some deal with them - are those the maggots of the space races? Adrian said he was told there are hundreds, thousands of other alien races that have come here through the centuries - millions of years - and have always been here, much longer than we humans have. And we are the genetic descent of them or of something the aliens have had to do with. {Sacha edit. Adrian told me warren did not go to Egypt} I went to Egypt and had the experience of seeing the pyramids. The Egyptians believe the pyramids were built by extraterrestrials. But all the science books I read in school said the stones were rolled on sticks. But those stones are huge! I got to Egypt under a strange circumstances as well. I got orders cut for me just after Adrian told me about his underground experience. I got orders cut for Italy. They said, ‘You’re going to go TDY for a month.’ We got on a plane late one night in a group of ten or eleven security police. We stopped in Germany, picked up some more security guys in a C-130, and then flew off to Italy. When we were at Aviano AFB (northeast of Milan), we flew to Athens, Greece. Then we flew from Athens to Turkey where we picked up things. Then we flew from Turkey to Ben Gurion Airport in Israel and then flew into Cairo. We were driven a long way out to this area and had tents pitched. There was a huge radar tower coming out of the middle of nowhere and a huge mountain range so heavily armed and fortified and had nuclear weapons in it – it was amazing! With my SECRET clearance, whatever this place was, I never found out. We had to do communications work there and some security. We worked with some Egyptian security that did perimeter, but none of us ever got to go in. There was a tunnel carved out like Strategic Air Command (SAC) in Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado Springs, Colorado. That tunnel was in Egypt - connected to a big underground. This facility was so massive that I was told it was larger than the state of New York underground! It was so tight under security forces that if any security guy fell asleep on duty there, the security police will be shot by their own superiors. Those people take care only of exterior security. You would never get inside. I saw a few people come out of the facility. In the mountains, you could see like glass in the crevices and every now and then you would see a person walk by where the mountain is very high up. (laughs) It was very high tech and very strange! These tunnels were in the middle of nowhere and there were no visible electric power towers nearby. Adrian said the Exxon and British Petroleum TV commercial campaigns were done to keep the public and media away from seismic disturbances (during construction of massive underground tunnels in the U. K.). I went into this place that was dug out of a mountain like a palace and when you went into it, there were all these pictures on the walls.<br />
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WAS IT IN LUXOR, THE VALLEY OF THE KINGS?<br />
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Yes, the Valley of the Kings. I’m going along narrow path with rails along side with the paintings on the walls and here is this part and our guide said, ‘There are a lot of spirits in the pyramids. Don’t take photographs, Larry, with your flash because that damages the paintings on the walls.’ Everyone did it anyway! Adrian was with me there. I had a 110 camera. Adrian had a real nice camera.<br />
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ADRIAN BUSTINZA WENT WITH YOU TO EGYPT?<br />
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Yes, he was with me. I picked up my camera and started snapping pictures. Every time everyone picked up their camera to take pictures, it looked like a hand was put over your lens. Everyone was looking around at each other and looking at their cameras and put the cameras up again to take a picture. Same thing – the hand – all the time in a certain area. Then we got to this place where there was a dog with pointed ears, black. And the tour guide says, ‘That means death.’ I took a picture real quick with the flash. I didn’t know if it would come out. I had the photograph checked by a photography expert and he couldn’t explain it. You see it getting dark just until the dog’s head is there and it is dark all around it. That was the only picture that did that effect.<br />
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WHEN DID YOU AND BUSTINZA GO TO EGYPT?<br />
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In March 1981, the third month after all the stuff happened in Rendlesham Forest.<br />
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WAS IT IN EGYPT THAT BUSTINZA BROKE DOWN TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE UNDERGROUND INSTALLATION AT BENTWATERS?<br />
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No, we had just gotten back at the end of March or early April 1981. In Egypt, we never talked about anything, we just had a good time. But our Egyptian guide told us in the little pyramid museum there, ‘You might have heard in school that the pyramids were built by rolling stones on logs. The actual fact is that the pyramids were mined (stones cut out) 300 miles from here. At that time, there were three big rivers each the width of the Hudson River that the builders would have to have crossed coming back from that stone quarry to get to where the pyramids are now standing. The stones were cut with laser precision and there are no chisel marks. There weren’t enough trees to roll the big blocks of stone and if they built sand up like they say, the guide said the makers would still be building the pyramids!<br />
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A GOVERNMENT GUY I’VE TALKED TO SAID THE PYRAMIDS WERE BUILT BY THE GREY NON-HUMANS.<br />
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It had to be by somebody else, not us humans! No way!<br />
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WHAT ARE THE PYRAMIDS REALLY FOR?<br />
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We were at the pyramids at night and if you stand there in the center between all three of them (Giza) – there are two smaller ones and the one big one (Cheops) – there are three bright stars that match up with each one. And in the center is the constellation Pleiades. Now, I’ve been told that some of the aliens come from the Pleiades.<br />
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DURING ALL THAT TIME IN EGYPT, ADRIAN BUSTINZA NEVER SAID ANYTHING TO YOU UNTIL YOU GOT BACK?<br />
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No, he didn't.<br />
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OK, HE’S SITTING ACROSS FROM YOU ON THE BED. WAS RELIGION THE VERY FIRST THING HE TALKED ABOUT?<br />
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I don’t remember the order.<br />
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WHAT WAS IT ABOUT THE POPE?<br />
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I don’t know. There was something about the Pope and that they have something at the Vatican. They know exactly what it is and it would destroy religion. Adrian said there were predictions made and they have all come true. There was a last prediction that will not be shown to the public. We know that Pope Pius saw something in 1960 and said, ‘Oh, lock that stuff up!’<br />
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FATIMA?<br />
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I don’t know. All the Popes see whatever it is, but they won’t release it. Whatever it is, it destroys religion.<br />
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DID HE TALK ABOUT THE ALIENS HAVING MADE CHRIST?<br />
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Not so much making Christ, but he said Christ had dealings with the aliens. Christ didn’t have a jet to get around on and yet he was supposed to be in China and England and other places.<br />
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WHAT MORE DO YOU REMEMBER BUSTINZA SAYING ABOUT OUR GOVERNMENT?<br />
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He said the government isn’t real as we see it. The president of the United States isn’t real (not real power). These aliens control everything and the human leaders just answer to whoever. There are people or aliens way above. The president just does his job like a janitor, really. Ben Jamison: Did Adrian say why the aliens are doing all this?<br />
Warren: I don’t know if Adrian said it was for good or for bad. And that’s why I was kind of scared after the conversation. I knew one thing – I wanted to get the hell off that base!” :<br />
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“DID YOU ASK HIM WHAT WAS THE ALIEN BEHIND THE LIGHTED SCRIM TALKING TO YOU FOR?<br />
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Adrian Bustinza never said it was an alien behind the lighted scrim underground, but it was his impression that it was.<br />
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WHAT WAS THE THING BEHIND THE SCREEN TALKING TO YOU FOR? WHAT DID ADRIAN SAY?<br />
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The thing was talking to everyone in the room at the same time (telepathically), but individually inside each mind. Explain that! And Adrian said he could not turn his head side-to-side. But that’s really all I remember. That’s why I took enough of it, the main parts and as you said coming into society, I had forgotten that was the main point of the whole thing. Evolution.<br />
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WHAT DID HE SAY ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP OF HUMANS TO THE ALIENS? ANYTHING ABOUT THE ALIENS MADE US?<br />
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Yeah, basically that we were from them. That’s what Adrian said.<br />
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UNDERNEATH IN ALL THESE BASES, THE REALITY BETWEEN HUMAN AND ALIEN COMMUNICATION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE EARTH IS HAPPENING BELOW GROUND AND NOT ON THE SURFACE WE JUST PLAY OUT SO-CALLED HUMAN EXISTENCE?<br />
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Our military bases are like a decoy – like a big staged play. I don’t know how or why. I don’t really want to get into this because it wasn’t me really. It was Adrian’s experience and I’m just repeating. Adrian said that if it were all found out, the bases (human? alien?) can be gone like a snap of fingers. What he meant, I don’t know. I asked him, ‘You mean blown up?’ Adrian just said, ‘Gone. You wouldn’t see them.’ Maybe England is a UFO itself?! Who knows? I don’t know. That was it – just mind blowing stuff. If I had never had a UFO experience and someone told me that stuff, I would have said, ‘No way!’ But we have so many surface problems on Earth to deal with and I guess this – underground? – is their home, their bases.<br />
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BUT IF THE ALIENS ARE CONTROLLING EVERYTHING ON EARTH, TO WHAT END? IF THE ALIENS ARE WALKING AMONG US DISGUISED AS HUMANS, YOU DON’T REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID ABOUT WHY?<br />
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Adrian said what it’s all about, but I don’t remember if it is good or bad. I can’t remember. If it was a good reason they are here or a negative reason. I don’t remember. But I remember leaving that conversation angry and frightened, so I’m sure it probably wasn’t good. I don’t know. But it all seems like games – the humans and their little games in the government as we call them play games. People die in the mean time. Adrian also said that water was an attraction, a necessity, but I don’t know why. Water is a big deal.<br />
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AND THE FACT THAT THE ALIENS SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH EITHER DYING OR WEAKNESS?<br />
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Well, I think if they are coming here and wanting to stay – this one race or whatever – then they have a problem somewhere. Adrian told me something about their planet is gone or blew up or something like that and the aliens – they have massive ships and they are on the moon and everywhere! But there are different races of aliens, including enemies. I told Adrian, ‘This sounds like Buck Rogers.’ But I had to believe him. I don’t know if I do now. I don’t know. It’s very big!<br />
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ONE OF THE SCENARIOS I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY A NEW JERSEY SCIENTIST WHO WAS ABDUCTED IN 1982 IS THAT THE ALIEN SAGA IS<br />
MUCH OLDER THAN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM’S AGE. THEIR ORIGINAL SUN SUPERNOVAED AFTER THE ALIENS WERE ADVANCED ENOUGH TO BUILD TECHNOLOGY TO ESCAPE THEIR HOME PLANET. BUT THEIR PROBLEM IS THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE EVOLUTION OF THEIR BIOLOGY. THE SCIENTIST SAYS THAT THE ALIENS TOLD HIM THERE IS A BELL-SHAPED CURVE TO THE EVOLUTION OF DNA, SO THAT EVENTUAL DECLINE AND DETERIORATION OF DNA IS GUARANTEED. AND NOW THE NON- HUMANS ARE TRYING TO CREATE OTHER KINDS OF BIOLOGICAL CONTAINERS THAT CAN TAKE ON THEIR SPIRITUAL ENTITIES, THEIR ESSENCE, TO CARRY ON BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEIR BIOLOGY IS DESTINED FOR EXTINCTION. THUS, THIS IS A STORY OF RESURRECTION THROUGH OTHER LIFE FORMS.<br />
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Ben Jamison: That might explain the abduction of people who have a higher form of consciousness that other humans don’t have. The abductees are the people being shepherded through. You get this through Philip K. Dick was working through something like this before he died.<br />
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[ Editor’s Note: Wikipedia - Philip Kindred Dick (December 16, 1928 – March 2, 1982) was an American novelist, short story writer and essayist whose published work during his lifetime was almost entirely in the science fiction genre. In his later works, Dick's thematic focus strongly reflected his personal interest in metaphysics and theology. The novel The Man in the High Castleconcerned alternate history and earned a Hugo Award for Best Novel in 1963.Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said was a novel about a celebrity who woke up in a parallel universe won the John Campbell Memorial Award for best novel in 1975. Dick wrote of these stories, “In my writing, I even question the universe; I wonder out loud if it is real, and I wonder out loud if all of us are real?” On February 20, 1974, Dick was recovering from the effects of sodium pentothal administered for the extraction of an impacted wisdom tooth. Answering the door to receive delivery of extra analgesic, he noticed that the delivery woman was wearing a pendant with a symbol that Dick called the "vesicle pisces" (correct term would have been Vesica pisces). This name seems to have been based on his confusion of two related symbols, the ichthys (two intersecting arcs delineating a fish in profile) that early Christians used as a secret symbol, and the Vesica piscis, a shape that is the intersection of two circles with the same radius, intersecting in such a way that the center of each circle lies on the circumference of the other. The name literally means the “bladder of a fish” in Latin.<br />
After the delivery woman's departure, Dick began experiencing strange visions. Although they may have been initially attributable to the medication, after weeks of visions he considered this explanation implausible. “I experienced an invasion of my mind by a transcendentally rational mind, as if I had been insane all my life and suddenly I had become sane.” Throughout February and March 1974, he experienced a series of visions, which he referred to as “two-three-seventy four” (2-3-74), shorthand for February-March 1974. He described the initial visions as laser beams and geometric patterns and occasionally brief pictures of Jesus and of ancient Rome. As the visions increased in length and frequency, Dick claimed he began to live a double life, one as himself, “Philip K. Dick,” and one as “Thomas,” a Christian persecuted by Romans in the 1st century A.D. ]<br />
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THE SCIENTIST ABDUCTEE SAYS THERE WILL BE A REAPING ON EARTH THAT HUMANS WILL INTERPRET TO BE A NATURAL CATACLYSM. HE PROJECTED THAT ONE-THIRD OF EARTH LIFE WILL BE WIPED OUT, ONE- THIRD WILL REMAIN AND ONE-THIRD WILL BE TAKEN AWAY BY THE ALIENS - A KIND OF REVELATIONS STORY. SEVERAL ABDUCTEES HAVE VARIATIONS ON THIS THEME.<br />
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Warren: Well, I don’t think I’m an abductee.<br />
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Howe: WHAT IF ADRIAN BUSTINZA WAS ABDUCTED?<br />
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Warren: But think for a minute – what if none of what Adrian told me is true.<br />
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Ben Jamison: Yes, since 1984, I have been casting around to see if I could find information to corroborate what you told me about Bustinza and there seems to be more and more about cooperating with the aliens. I decided the governments can never release this information because they can’t say they are cooperating with aliens and letting our people be abducted.<br />
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Howe: THE MUTILATIONS OF ANIMALS ALLEGEDLY ARE PART OF THE HARVESTING OF GENETIC MATERIAL TO CREATE HUMANOIDS OR ANDROIDS. THAT’S PART OF THE SCIENTIST’S STORY – THAT THE ALIENS CAN WALK AMONG US DISGUISED IN HUMAN CONTAINER BODIES.<br />
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Warren: Have you ever seen the real mutilated animal bodies?<br />
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Howe: SURE – DOZENS OF THEM. THE FIRST THING THAT HITS YOU IS HOW PERFECT THE ANIMALS ARE LYING THERE, BLOODLESS, CLEAN EXCISIONS. THERE IS NO SIGNS OF VIOLENCE. YOU ARE LOOKING AT ANIMALS THAT HAVE COOKIE CUTTER EXCISIONS AROUND AN EAR, EYE, JAW FLESH, TONGUE, THE GENITALS AND THE RECTUMS ARE CORED OUT.<br />
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Warren: Well, I always hear your name when it comes to animal mutilation research. Have you ever heard of people mutilated?<br />
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Howe: I have received several anecdotes without proof. There have been reports from Texas and Canada of women discovered with one breast cleanly and bloodlessly removed. The Canadian case was supposed to involve some Royal Canadian Mounted Police that came upon a car parked on the side of a road. The motor was still running, I think. The woman behind the wheel was wearing an expensive tweed suit with nice jewelry. She was dead. When authorities had her examined, it was discovered that her left breast had been removed beneath her still-intact bra. Here left eye, I think, was also removed like animal mutilations. But when I tried to get proof - a pathology report or any forensic confirmation from authorities - I ran into brick walls. I've run into the same stonewalling with coroners offices in some other cases. But I think it's possible that Homo sapiens generally is off limits in the global mutilation of animals because humans are some kind of valuable experiment of the aliens. The non-humans have something serious at stake in what they are doing here on Earth. Human survival is somehow of crucial importance to whatever the alien agenda is - according to the New Jersey scientist who was abducted. I think when we started exploding atomic bombs in 1945, we were going to hurt the alien experiment and provoked all kinds of attention in the first UFO flaps. And I think it's pretty clear from events at Malmstrom AFB in Great Falls, Montana, and Minot AFB in Minot, North dakota, that the aliens can interfere with our nuclear missiles and selectively manipulate targeting information - as described in Minutemen nuclear missiles 80 feet underground beneath thick cement.<br />
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Warren: What happened at RAF Bentwaters seems like a dream. Sometimes I ask myself, ‘Did this really happen?’<br />
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Howe: I would so much like to talk with Adrian Bustinza. Where is he now?<br />
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Warren: You'll never reach him, but his family lives in Texas. He works in a correctional facility or something. He doesn't want anyone to bother him because he has a government job. Chuck De Caro (former 1984 CNN investigative reporter) said Adrian is really shook up. Larry Fawcett inquired some military place for information about me and Bustinza. Fawcett got a card back from the government from whatever agency he was using to trace military people and the reply on both Adrian and me was there were no records of either of us in the USAF.<br />
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Jamison: I know someone who talked to Bustinza's parents about organizing a congressional hearing on the Bentwaters incident and the parents said there would be absolutely nothing unless it's White House orders because it's too big for a congressional committee.<br />
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Howe: In some ways, you begin to feel like that if we are for the first time as a species becoming conscious of the truth of our makers and experimenters, it's almost as if there is a strange branch in human evolution in which we either become fighters against our keepers? Or we make some exponential leap that is going to throw all of our religious and sociological and biological precepts right out the window? But there are parts of this planet that won't accept other life forms no matter what - it will be Evil. So what does it all mean? If the White House made the announcement tomorrow, some will say the United States is lying and others will say we are all evil and the world keeps going on in irrational conflicts. So, unless the extraterrestrial biological entities themselves make their presence known in a powerful way such as their aerial craft all around Earth and everybody has to look at the skies.<br />
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Warren: It's the only way!<br />
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Howe: That's right.And one other thing, did Adrian Bustinza suggest a connection between the appearance of UFOs and wars?<br />
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Warren: I remember Adrian said there will never again be a war with the Soviet Union directly. He said war would only be indirectly through Third World countries. How Adrian said that specifically and how it fit in, I don't know. But it's all set up that way (like a game?) Just Third World countries - let them fight it out. We support and the Soviets support.<br />
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Howe: So the skirmishes stay smaller and more contained? Adrian's telling you that wars are allowed for human entertainment?<br />
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Warren: Maybe because war keeps people in fear. I don't think most people want war. But I don't remember Adrian saying - I've never gotten on where these beings are from or who they are. I just saw something in Rendlesham.<br />
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Jamison: Maybe American authorities have been told the Greys support the Americans and the Swedes (blond aliens) are the bad guys who deal with the Russians. But maybe it's the other way around - maybe the Russians are told the Greys support them and the Swedes are the bad guys and they are supporting the Americans. What technology could governments have for mind-bending, especially cooperating with UFOs. You can't trust government informants. You couldn't trust Bustinza's story by itself. You couldn't trust your story by itself. My skin began to creep when you said you heard, ‘I want you to see this paper’ and he sat you in a special chair in a special location. Well, it might not have been recording. There is one aspect of mind control that just fascinated government types for about 30 years and that is<br />
influencing people from a distance or through casual contact. And now we have human abductee stories that sometimes seem to be in line with this mind control scenario. And now you are describing our science friend from New Jersey coming up with similar stories.<br />
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Linda: Yes, it is fascinating. He and I have talked about his consciously being aware that his body and some other part of himself split in two and he described seeing his body in the car, but he was simultaneously traveling above the round craft and descending inside of it where the several grey beings were waiting and fixed his heart. It's a very complex story, including the evolutionary problem of a very ancient race of other beings. Now he says he was shocked at the idea there could be a bell-shaped curve to the evolution of DNA. He said the aliens communicated it was only because their civilization had evolved for so long that they finally reached a point where the aliens could see that there was some kind of mathematical restriction to the continuation of their DNA. Then there was a Spanish abductee I met who said she saw a hologram aboard an alien craft that showed our Earth when it was covered by molten red lava and then lots of scenes as the planet evolved up to dinosaurs. Then she was shown that the Grey aliens somehow transported different types of dinosaurs off Earth before some kind of destruction and that dinosaurs are preserved on a whole planet somewhere like we would preserve animals in a zoo. She had the impression that the Grey types revere the diversity of life forms and keep all life forms somehow going on a planet or different planets? Throughout the abduction literature, pieces of a similar odd story emerge. And it's a huge, sad story - a motive to survive that I as a human can understand that if we humans were faced with our sun going into supernova and we could get off Earth, there would still be longing to perpetuate life again where the dying sun had once been.<br />
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Jamison: Chromosomal structure is constantly changing. The germ plasma that goes on and on probably becomes fatally flawed as a function of time.<br />
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Howe: Larry, another subject I should ask you about came to me from a retired military man who knew about a Colonel who stayed with the first captured, live, grey alien at Los Alamos between 1949 and 1952. He said that the alien communicated that reincarnation is real, that the cycling of souls is the machinery of the universe. If reincarnation is real and souls are recycled and aliens are controlling this planet because they have some huge experiment going on, are they in control of our soul recycling? In that alleged briefing paper for the President of the United States I was shown at Kirtland AFB Office of Special Investigations on April 9, 1983, there was a paragraph that said two thousand years ago these extraterrestrials created a being in human form to be placed on this planet to teach humans about love and non-violence. If the aliens interacting with Earth can create human body containers, and you have the Jesus Christ story that says there is life after death, that means there really is another dimension beyond this biological life. The implication was the aliens produced a theatrical production with Christ on a cross to have him killed in front of lots of people and then later walked among some people who recognized him and said, ‘That's Jesus!’ If that was alien theater, the implication is the aliens had already experimented with the Homo sapiens body in their light beam technology that can do all kinds of transporting and even healing. That's one of the Los Alamos stories that the alien there got sick and asked our government to contact his civilization some how so he could be put in one of the light beams to be healed - a kind of resurrection technology. Like Spielberg's E.T. film. And talking about TOP SECRET technology that you said might be related to RAF Bentwaters that might be of interest to the aliens, are you talking about nuclear weapons?<br />
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Warren: Yes, nuclear weapons at RAF Bentwaters. Now, when I was in England, that was taboo to talk about. We weren't supposed to have nukes there, but through arrangements with the British government, we had them there. The British population hates nuclear weapons, didn't want them and I can't blame them. Nuclear weapons were already there at Bentwaters, which is why we had the Hot Row weapons storage area! We used to tell the English contractors when they came in and asked, ‘What do you keep inside those Weapons Storage Areas (WSA)?' And we were supposed to tell them, ‘We keep a big cork there and if people ask too many questions, we're going to pull it and sink England.’<br />
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Howe: In terms of political control, do you remember anything Bustinza said about any Earth wars, like WWII, the Korean War, other being related?<br />
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Warren: No, I don't remember if Adrian did.<br />
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Howe: The Pope?<br />
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Warren: Something about the Pope and about religion and the average folk don't know anything! But Adrian said the aliens are here and they are in control. But for some reason, as you said, the aliens are allowing humans to do their thing.<br />
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Howe: Perhaps the goal is to maintain a more virile biology, us human creations, while they refine us to become more like them. That would imply that inside humans there is a duality that we feel intuitively about it all. If the whole point of religions is to try to homogenize humans and make us all the same and think the same and be the same, something in the essence of Homo sapiens always fights to be separate and apart as an individual. The aliens are supposed to be much more hive-minded than humans. Humans are somehow the opposite of that, even if we are supposed to be an alien creation.” </div>
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After my last blog, obviously Gary has posted a statement saying I have twisted his words. Of course he would say that, as a misogynist he can't see anything wrong with what he said which is quoted in the above image. Here are the two videos again so you can make your own mind up.<br />
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Gary... I think you should follow your own advice about due diligence before you make untrue statements. Everything you have said about me is a lie. Everything Warren has told you is a lie, you run on gossip not facts. Your due diligence is 100% absent.<br />
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Nine conferences..... 53 male speakers and 5 female speakers. You say you are looking for women speakers but you can't be because they are in the same place as the male speakers... on the net. There is an entire global movement and a good majority of it is women. The way you speak you say there aren't many women who can get up on stage comfortably (bless) and present evidence.<br />
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Ratio 53:5 but you are not a misogynist.<br />
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<span style="text-align: left;">Gary then goes on another rant because I pointed out the massive imbalance of his speakers. apparently that makes me obsessed with UFO Truth Magazine. All this nonsense about my obsessions is really quite hilarious. It shows the lack of solid argument. Blah blah blah Gary, Timmy, Liarry. Oh and Gary's wife says he talked to a woman once at a conference who asked him why he doesn't have female speakers. Sooooooo.... End of. Yeah I took the trouble to count the speakers which took me all of two minutes of my life. It is such a huge undertaking counting to 53. he says obsessed, I say thorough but that is a moot point. ratio is 53:5 </span></div>
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He didn't say anything negative about women to the woman asking why he didn't have any female speakers.<br />
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<a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2018/02/open-letter-to-gary-heseltine.html">Open Letter To Gary Heseltine (ignored by Gary)</a></div>
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<a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-larry-warren-fraud-absolute-proof.html">The Larry Warren Fraud actual proof of forgery and criminal activity. (ignored by Gary) </a></div>
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<a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/06/the-three-transcripts-of-larry-warrens.html">Three different versions of Larry Warrens Ground Zero hero stories (ignored by Gary)</a></div>
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Below is a show I recorded which is back to back lies out of his own mouth. Him speaking, apart from when I read out a part of Left at East Gate, a book now removed from publication because of lies. Within the first five minutes you will hear his lies. You do not have to even listen to the whole show to get the picture. You will however get a full picture if you do listen to the entire show. </div>
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In other news! The advent of the con Capel Green is bringing you another con, another set of lies to mess up the Rendlesham narrative. Weird isn't it? When one set of lies gets cleared away, a new face arrives on the scene with a rewrite.<br />
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WOAH Can't wait to hear this. Michael Stacy Smith has gone from seeing a light by the gate to having downloads of information, equations and such, I suspect that is the source of the latest set of lies coming to muddy the waters. We will have to wait and see won't we? Who is Tim and where did he come from? Nobody knows......<br />
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As you know, in recent months I have been telling you all that Gary Heseltine is a completely misogynistic woman hater. Unless they get their boobs out and drape them all over the place while dribbling beer down their chins suggestively, that is fine, we are good for that.<br />
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He doesn't have women speakers because we aren't good at presenting evidence, we are only good for talking about abductions, especially in the UK. Can you imagine that? There are no women in this country that can present evidence. This is how he sees women. Willowy and emotional. What a pathetic excuse of a man he is.<br />
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He says if you resort to swearing and personal insults then you have lost the argument. Anyone who is allowed to see their conversations will know that all they do is resort to insults and personal attacks. All Warren does is swear and threaten people, there are others amongst their clique who are violent with aggressive hate speech, always offering people out for fights even though they live thousands of miles away from the people they attack. Bravery at it's finest.<br />
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Here is a reminder of some of the things said to me by the people Gary is involved with. You will see that Warren is desperately trying to reach the mind of a Manson family type nutter, after all he brings up Manson, Heavens Gate and Kool Aid all the time. His hero is Dennis Wilson who was good friends with Manson and they all lived together for a time, Warren named his own son after Dennis Wilson and has said so in the past. So what does that tell you?<br />
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Here he is trying to get me killed because I lived on the same street as one of the London bombers and knew them as they lived in my area and were seen next door to me often. They were not personal friends but I knew them. Remember Warren and I were personal friends for nine years. He lived in my home for four months. He knows a lot about me and has twisted everything into some demonic monster that doesn't exist. He is all of the things he accuses me of.<br />
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If you don't know, this came about when I said I was going to the Scottish conference to ASK A QUESTION. He perceived that question to be a threat and threatened to kill me if I turned up, or anyone else who went in my place to ask my question.<br />
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Above is the first thing he sent me, a threat on my life and home because I outed him as the liar he is. Below he is denigrating John Hanson, retired CID Detective of good standing. Gary supports this while moaning about us saying he was just a Transport Police officer, not CID as he told everyone. We found out from Valerie his long term ex, that he was far from a distinguished detective, he lost evidence in a rape case where a rapist got away with the crime, had an affair with a witness and had fines and thought he was going to lose his job on more than one occassion. We can all say what we want about ourselves can't we. As you know, I am a Unicorm and I fart rainbows.<br />
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Charming little Manky Smithson, destroyer of garden owls who shouts about UFOs in pubs.<br />
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I need a bullet behind my ear...... I am an Ex Mental Hospital Inmate. Nice choice of language.We don't use these words anymore, another throwback from an era that should never have happened.<br />
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When I first started telling you all about what had happened, I told you that Warren called Peter Robbins a "fucking gay cunt Jew" he denied it of course. Well isn't it strange then that someone on Warren's own friends list talking to Ben Emlyn Jones said this? Where on Earth would he get the impression that Peter Robbins was any of these things if Warren never said them?<br />
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Below is a screen shot of Ben Emlyn Jones on his HPANWO forum, being his true self in his own environment. This man has written around 30 blogs about how I am a crazy number one fan, liar and supports Warren without question and lives up Gary's backside in the hope he will get a conference spot. After all Ben uses people for notoriety. He wants to move into the UFO scene after making a total arse of himself on the conspiracy community with everything being crisis actors and fake blood. Even the savage murder of Lee Rigby. All fake.<br />
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Below is a screen shot from a video Ben uploaded to his YouTube channel which has since been removed because it broke every standard known to man. What a repugnant specimen he is. You may note the video underneath.. How to stop immigration. He is a racist too and anti Semite. If you join his forum you will see he is a holocaust denier and that the gas chambers are fake.<br />
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So as you can see the hatred is palpable and because this is all said by men and their hopeful cash cow, it is all absolutely fine! I would also like to remind you that Larry Warren handed out my home address to absolute lunatics, why would anyone give another person someones address unless you hoped that nutter would go to that address and do something terrible? I have been told by many people the things they say about me. They are all disgusting as you can imagine, or maybe you have heard for yourself firsthand.<br />
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These are the people Gary Heseltine is involved with. these people are MY detractors. As you will have seen on my previous blog, Capel Green came about due to my investigation, it didn't just pop out of nowhere as Gary has said all along, That proves that the investigation and my claims are nothing to do with Capel Green as Gary says all the time and it is nothing to do with him, I am not HIS troll, he is MY troll. This was something that came about because I caught Warren out in lies to MY FACE in MY HOME and so I set about investigating his past. 90% of the evidence presented is other peoples from decades ago. For all time people have said Warren has changed his story, Georgina Bruni said it, Kevin Randle said it, James Easton said it, Linda Moulton Howe proved it with her transcript of his conversation which he actually replied to but now said he didn't have the conversation.<br />
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Apparently saying all that makes me Gary Heseltine's troll somehow, according to the great detective who professes to know what evidence is, it is just us women who don't know what evidence is or how to present it. We are good for sex, looking good and talking about ethereal matters and abductions. Bless our little cotton socks for having a go though. Aren't we cute.<br />
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Gary also doesn't have a clue what con man means. He acts as if he think it means convicted criminal when in actual fact it means CONfidence trickster. Confidence man. He hates the fact that people can say what they want, he wants social media changing so you can't say what you want or be who you are. He wants everyone to have to pretend, to be a persona, just like him. Everyone else wants you to be authentic because we are sick of the fakes and persona's, Gary doesn't want you to be able to do that, he wants to clip your wings by law.<br />
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So if you are a woman I would carefully consider your interactions with these people. They want your money and your adulation, possibly even your articles for the magazine, but they do not think women are anything but weak and willowy and the only thing that seems to be ok is provocative slutty behaviour, be good, be meek, be mild, be demure, do not swear. Be a good little girl and you can play with the big boys. As Gary says, there are two camps in Ufology at the moment, one is misogynistic lying, do not question anything or you are a troll, the other is the rest of us. The ones who think women are amazing, they are intelligent and can obviously present evidence, we have women scientists and police officers now... woooo. bL.EsS//////////////<br />
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By the way, you ARE a CONMAN Gary, Capel Green is based on the many lies of Larry Warren and you are denigrating the genuine witnesses you have dragged into the mess. Note how NONE of the principal witnesses want anything to do with you. Why would that be if the problem is just me?<br />
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Would you believe me if I told you that Gary Heseltine went on the Ben Emlyn Jones podcast HPANWO and reiterated why he doesn't book women. The question came from Ben but was obviously staged. I commented somewhere on a facebook post that once again Gary has all male speakers. I am also speaking at a conference next month. Col. Halt returns to Woodbridge, I have been asked to give a presentation on the Larry Warren Fraud.<br />
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Thing is, if women can't give evidence then why does/did he parade Brenda Butler, Dot Street and Lori Rhedfelt? They can't get up on stage and give evidence? Why is he using their evidence then? Could Georgina Bruni not give evidence properly? Was she weak and willowy during her presentations? I guess Jenny Randles is a write off too then.<br />
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Here is the clip of Gary Heseltine stating for a second time that in his opinion there are not very many women in Ufology who are comfortable getting up on stage and giving an evidential presentation. he didn't mention especially the UK this time, he means anywhere in Ufology. Could he be any more of a caveman? <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/user/benemlynjones/hpanwo-show-334-gary-heseltine">The full HPANWO podcast</a><br />
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I just thought I would add this humorous moment to this blog because the irony is giving me rust spots. As you can imagine Heseltine's clan are sitting on all my posts, reporting everything all the time because they don't want the truth out there. "We have invested a lot in this lie, we must shut her up"<br />
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Today I got a 7 day ban on one of my Facebook accounts for sharing a screen shot of Ben Emlyn Jones being his true authentic self, in his own environment on his forum. So in a nut shell, I got a ban for one of Gary's main supporters swearing!!! The swearing that Gary says he wants to be made illegal!!! obviously it made absolutely no difference because I have several accounts now for this very reason. Most of my bans are actually because I am sharing screen shots of them swearing. I thought you might enjoy the irony as much as I do. *smiley face*<br />
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Bring on the scrutiny!!! Not one of them has done any of the research they claim to have, they can't even tell the same stories as each other. Capel Green is a total con. Not one of the witnesses in that film was with Warren. They did not all come out to support Warren, they came out to tell their own stories and had been doing for a long time. They are not new witnesses who have never spoken out before as they state in the blurb.<br />
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Read this blog, <a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/05/how-rfi-whistle-was-really-blown.html">How the RFI Whistle Was Really Blown</a> written by Ronnie Dugdale, who after Brenda Butler is a leading Rendlesham researcher here in the UK. By far the most knowledgeable person in this country on the incidents. What those two people don't know, isn't worth knowing.<br />
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I can only apologise that Capel Green is actually all my fault and if I hadn't outed Warren, greedy guts wouldn't have seen £££ signs and started this absolute con on the UFO community.<br />
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Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-85662812849779649752019-08-10T13:56:00.004+01:002021-03-17T15:13:43.836+00:00Open Letter Regarding Marie Kayali and the Parasites of Ufology, Words of Warning, Food for Thought<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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If you know your own truth and you have someone safe you can talk to, tell yourself that is enough, some of you just want to be able to offload your burdens, the best we can do is change how we feel about what happened to us and treat the symptoms of the dis-ease. You do not have to tell the whole freaking world your trauma. So many of us have made our lives hell believing these liars when they tell you that telling everyone is the only way. The only way to what? What is it you really want? Do you want answers? Probably aren't going to be any. Do you want comfort? You can find others like yourself and find that comfort, you will never have the comfort of answers, you will never have the comfort of closure . THERE ISN'T ANY. For ANY of us! No matter what you have been through with the phenomena or those people in uniform who target individuals. We cannot KNOW the unknowable. If you want attention, boy are you going to get it. It won't be what you want GUARANTEED. You can only normalise your life by talking to people in a safe way, to be able to talk when you need to and more importantly for you to be HEARD and SUPPORTED, not USED and ABUSED, If anyone wants you to do something for them, they are not in it for you. </span></span></div>
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You think I am tough? Ha! Maybe I am but I will tell you why. BECAUSE THE SCENE IS A DANGEROUS MESS and I am one of it's casualties. I just decided to put on my big girl panties and say screw all of you, all of you deceivers, bullies and liars, the fat controllers and misogynists. I am done taking your shit and I am going to show you all you can live by your own truth and be happy when you go to bed. I can go to bed knowing that I have taught one person how to spot the danger signs and keep their power for themselves, or take their power back instead of giving it to these half lives who are sucking the life essence out of people who are searching for answers about their own lives. PEOPLE WHO ARE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED TO THEM IN THEIR OWN LIVES!!!! That does not give anyone the right to latch onto that person and ride them to their death while calling them YOUR troll. BEJ, MJ, LW and GH I am talking about YOU parasites, liars and vampires.You disgusting spreaders of muck and nonsense. Having a PDF of a woman swearing to send to people because she is kicking your arse with truth, makes you a sad, misogynistic, bully bastard, there is nothing righteous about you GH and if you don't like women swearing, tough shit. It's 2019 not 1940. Get over yourself. </span></span></div>
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If she is alive, and I pray to God she is, then she has taught us all a very valuable and necessary lesson. We cannot continue like this anymore. The scene is 100% dangerous. Not everyone is dangerous, the entity that is ufology and it's attached subjects as a whole, is fraught with danger. It needs to change, I don't really know if it will, or if it can but if it is does it is because more people stand up to these bullies and frauds protecting their assets. Without witnesses, you all have nothing no matter what part of the subject matter you are into. Look at the recent Navy guys, I have to talk to them via email now because they are disgusted by social media and the way it is, and that means YOU UFOLOGY. You chase off the very thing you need to survive and replace it with your own self importance. </span></span></div>
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Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-74727555405361998452019-08-09T17:27:00.000+01:002019-10-04T15:54:30.678+01:00Important Information regarding The Randle Tape. Larry Warren FAILED the VSA he claims Fawcett arranged. Here is the PROOF. Updated. <div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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Recently a recording of a conversation between Larry Warren, Peter Robbins and Charles Halt surfaced. Warren denied this conversation took place, he demanded Kevin Randle release the recording and he would fold, Kevin released the tape, Warren then realised it is the recording he already has. However, there are lies being told about that conversation now.<br />
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What is so important about this tape? Certain people are saying, it is nothing new, but those people know nothing and that is why they are saying that. They have both attached themselves to this for the attention it brings. One attaches himself onto the lives of other people, sweating and heavy breathing all over them while he grabs some attention for himself, the other one sells his wife's genitalia in little soft porn snippets to the UFO community then demands £20 for a bit of fluff, spamming TTSA posts, then cries when people think it is pathetic and inappropriate and they say so. But then they are all the same. Warren sells rock star stories to the UFO community, so why not sell your wife too. They think you are all too stupid to notice they are using you for their own gain.<br />
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So for those people, here are the FACTS.<br />
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In this recording Warren tells Charles Halt that Larry Fawcett had arranged three voice stress analysis' of Warren and that he had passed them all. Well that is a total lie and anyone who had bothered to do the research they say they have would know this, this is not new news.<br />
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Mr. Philip J. Klass<br />
404 "N" Street Southwest<br />
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Dear Phil:<br />
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I am in receipt of your April 3, 1985 letter concerning a statement made in the MUFON Newsletter, February 1985 issue which you say is "riddled with malicious errors and falsehoods." The word <u>contact</u> seems to be the only discrepancy. That is __ who contacted who? You incriminate yourself when you admit that chuck De Caro called you on December 11, 1984 and you suggested a polygraph test for Larry warren. chuck de Caro then proceeded to negotiate this test with Larry Fawcett and Larry Warren.<br />
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Since our information came directly from Larry Fawcett, a copy of your letter was made available to him, so as to evaluate your claims. When Larry Fawcett called chuck de Caro to verify the contents of your April 3rd letter, me de Caro confirmed that you had proposed Larry Warren should undergo a polygraph tests, which prompted him to contact Mr. Fawcett. However, when Larry Fawcett challenged some of your statements, Chuck de Caro having also received your letter, started to rescind by saying "maybe the polygraph test proposal that Phil Klass made, was given in confidence." without a doubt, you have intimidated Chuck de Caro as you have endeavoured to do so with many others with your tactics.<br />
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We <u>will not</u> publish a retraction, since the facts speak for themselves. You have admitted in your letter to Chuck de Caro and Larry Fawcett that there is no validity to your claims, therefore your case is closed as far as we are concerned.<br />
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MUFON is also declining your generous offer to underwrite half the cost of a polygraph test for Larry Warren. Based upon our investigation in this case <i>Larry would probably fail any questions directly related to his having personally observed the three occupants and their physical descriptions as depicted in the CNN file. We have other witnesses that confirm that Larry Was indeed present at the first sighting, (<b>since retracted he now says he wasn't involved in the first event, Bustinza has also has made further comment that he now thinks warren recorded him speaking and absorbed his experience) </b>however one witness, who now resides in Texas said he personally did not see the small humanoids that Larry Warren described in his CNN File. <b>Mr. Warren apparently enjoys basking in this publicity because he tends to embellish his story each time that it is told. </b></i><br />
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<b>We arranged to have a voice stress test analysis test conducted by the leading authority on this device, using the CNN video tape-audio as the medium for the test. Larry Warren FAILED </b><br />
<b> the questions where he was describing the occupants, </b>therefore MUFON has no further need to conduct a polygraph test. We are relying upon the testimony of the other witnesses present, including U.S.A.F officers enlisted and security police. since Larry Warren <b>is not a principal witness- - just one of many of the two incidents. </b><br />
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<b>Walter H. Andreas Jr</b><br />
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<b> Larry Fawcett</b><br />
<b> Marge Christensen</b><br />
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Well we know he wasn't involved in these incidents because by his own admission he wasn't even on base or on duty until the 28th, unless he is telling the version where he is in Ipswich, UK during the day. If you read my article in the latest <a href="https://chris0597.wixsite.com/outer-limits-mag/conference-tickets-here">Outer limits Magazine </a>,you will see how unlikely it is he was on duty as he had a congenital defect which meant he couldn't straighten his arm and so was discharged from the forces permanently, no re-enlistment, all from his own documents he has shown over the years<br />
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But to the point of this blog. Larry stated Fawcett arranged three VSA tests which he passed. That is the lie.<br />
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Listen to the tape yourself. Forward to 7m 59s to hear him say he took three voice stress analysis tests through Connecticut State Police Department and passed, THREE TIMES!!<br />
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He also says at 4m 56s that he wasn't the first person to talk about the incidents, he was just the loudest, out of his own mouth, he is NOT the whistle blower.<br />
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At 5m 25s he says "Larry Fawcett.. some people are saying I am crazy" this is way back in 1984/5.<br />
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At 7m 29s he says he stole his Military records, he previously stated he photocopied them and then told us that his records are unavailable. Well they are available, I checked, so I hope they got a fresh set from the DoD for the film Capel Green.<br />
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I could go on, I won't. This blog was just about the fact he lied about the VSA's and the fact that believing a liar does not constitute as an investigation. But then if you are an RFI noob believing Larry Warren, then you are at a severe disadvantage. Once again this proves these things are not coming from me, they are old, said by other people.<br />
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Just in case they say that a VSA ought to be done in person.<br />
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If Warren or Heseltine say that the VSA standard was not good enough because it is based on audio, then they have to concede the same regarding the very badly conducted VSA Jo Montaldo claims to have done, which I very much doubt he did anyway. However, it was conducted over skype and they wave that about as if it is a relevant bit of evidence.<br />
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I must be psychic..... So the VSA over skype is a no brainer 'no' too then? With a man who pretends to have a radio station. A man who lost all his show hosts after they dumped him for lying about the listening figures? I know this is a fact because I was one of them and we all left together, I say left, there was nothing to actually leave apart from a lie.<br />
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Phil mantle is trying to make a name for himself..... Is that the most ridiculous thing you have read? Phil has made his name, many years ago but then a total noob wouldn't know anything about anything would they? Comments like this show how cabbage looking he is.<br />
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Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-36673712428495927372019-08-03T17:08:00.003+01:002021-03-17T16:12:45.743+00:00A challenge to Miles Johnson from Sacha Christie. UPDATED. Miles issues a sinister ultimatum.<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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Today I logged online and found messages telling me Miles Johnson had uploaded a video of me. I went to look. It was filmed in 2011 when I had a very different opinion on the Rendlesham Forest Incidents. Back in 2011 I was a Larry Warren supporter. I believed him and so I believed his version of events. Fast forward to 2015 and all of that changed.<br />
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I saw him for what he was and I saw what he had done. He had stolen Adrian Bustinza's account, replaced John Burroughs with himself and replaced Col Halt with a mystery officer. If you know John's version of events and Adrian's, you will know that they were both with Halt, even though John wasn't on duty, he was present. Read <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2016/05/left-out-at-east-gate-truth-about.html?m=1">Left Out At East Gate</a> to see Adrian Bustinza thanking me because the truth surfaced through myself and others, those of us who listened with an open mind.<br />
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As you can imagine, seeing an 8 year old irrelevant video uploaded just now is a bit strange isn't it? Hmm... Not until you realise it is the day after an article I wrote about Warren appeared in <a href="https://chris0597.wixsite.com/outer-limits-mag">Outer Limits Magazine</a>. When you read the blurb under the video, it raises even more suspiscion. Lets face it everyone knows I fell out with Miles, a few times over. Once upon a time I thought he was a really honourable person and I really respected him. But then I used to poo my pants several times a day, but I was a baby then and a lot has changed since I did that.<br />
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<span face=""roboto" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #0d0d0d; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">Sacha Christie one of Britain's most enigmatic and wonderful characters in the Rendlesham story, gives a blast of energy and strife, and the exclusion of Larry Warren from the extremely strange and important events at Rendlesham Forest of many years of UFO events.
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This is the section focused on Rendlesham and Larry Warren.
originally released as a Bases AMMACH 2 part interview in 2011.
at time of pubication in 2019, things have become chaotic as the Capel Green film is about to be released</span><br />
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A lot has changed in the past 8 years too.<br />
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Here is a little video just for you Miles seeing as you ignored my attemtps to contact you via Skype today.<br />
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If you really think that of me Miles, prove it. Lets do another interview about the Rendlesham 'story' because this is well out of date and you know it.<br />
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when I logged onto my Sacha Claire Christie Facebook account yesterday I saw I had a friend request from Miles Johnson. I accepted it and posted this blog on his page. Did he read it? Nope. He did however send me a message. I rarely use that account anymore so I had no idea these had been sent.<br />
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He thinks I am wonderful and as an ET experiencer he gives me his support. Well that lasted about five seconds.<br />
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I asked him what has 5G got to do with the fact he has posted a video up that is 8 years old and I no longer think the same as I did? What was his response after his misogynistic fawning?<br />
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Well Miles it certainly isn't friend is it? Not after that. Plus I do not believe that he has no idea of what has happened between myself and Warren after what he wrote under the video he posted on YouTube. specifically this bit;<br />
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at time of publication in 2019, things have become chaotic as the Capel Green film is about to be released"</span><br />
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Non of the people I have spoken to believe he is doing anything other shit stirring. I also want to know what he is alluding to here. I tell him he needs to interview me again and he goes straight into the not bothered routine and Marie is dead, so the same if you wish... I can be his friend or his enemy?<br />
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So we have to ask the question, is Marie Kayali actually dead. If she is, we know why don't we?<br />
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If someone can find out is she is okay I would be grateful, all her recent YouTube videos are gone and she hasn't posted publicly on her page since 11th of July.<br />
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Miles Johnson... You do not scare me. Not for one second.<br />
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since writing this article it has been brought to my attention that there is a distinct possibility that Marie Kayali has taken her own life. I pray to god that this is just a horrible rumour. If anyone can help me find out I would be grateful. I know Marie was very agitated by the situation she was in and I understand her lack of trust completely. I didn't believe there was anything I could do for her and i assume she felt the same way otherwise she would have spoken to me about what was going on. I believed she had other women around her who were supporting her.<br />
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This is an appeal for information, any confidentiality will be assured. Thanks in advance.<br />
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Look at this. May she be at peace? From HIM?<br />
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If you read my last <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/03/larry-warren-claims-to-be-911-first.html">blog</a>, you will have read that Larry Warren claims to have been at Ground Zero in the wake of the 9/11 atrocities. The lies gained the attention of actual 9/11 first responder, one of which tried to engage with Larry Warren and Gary Heseltine.<br />
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She offered to debate them on a radio show or podcast. She even spoke directly to Warren on his own Facebook page and also Heseltine's but was blocked and all her comments were deleted. They then proceeded to call her a fake and a troll along with another newbie in the Warren clan, Tim Acheson. They both refused to engage with her.<br />
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She spoke to Philip Mantle and asked him to facilitate a debate on his podcast show but Gary turned the offer down. She has made statements in conversations on Facebook where she has offered this over and over. They refuse to talk to her.<br />
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Why would he refuse to talk to her yet debate with people who say they know first responders, or people who know nothing? He will debate them but not talk to a person who was actually there?<br />
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Tim Acheson says she may be a first responder but she is an angry troll as well. She can be both. She has to prove herself but Warren doesn't? Why aren't there people backing him up on ANYTHING he has said? Yet recently in an email to David Young, Tim said we owe her an apology for dragging her into this. Why? Because obviously she is weak minded like everyone else and under my mind control like everyone else or as Gary Heseltine says in the recent video interview, you are all under the influence of dark forces?<br />
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Warren is on his own in everything he says, yes, he has people defending him who are not part of anything he talks about. He has supporters who believe him, but no one to back him up. Below are all the statements so far with regards to his claims of being at ground zero. Three were in video form, a couple of Facebook posts and then statements from Gary. The story changes completely throughout.<br />
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The very first instance of these lies were at a conference in Liverpool in 2007. MI5 agents David Shayler and Annie Mochon were giving a talk, Real Spies, Unravelling The Lies. Warren has basically gatecrashed the conference, stormed up to the front and taken over. Below is the video and the transcript.<br />
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<b><u>Video #1</u></b><br />
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Some of his words are very difficult to make out, but I have noted those moments. This is what he said;<br />
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"I wasn't there on the day. My brother almost got killed by these fuckers. He was an accountant in the South Tower".<br />
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"Three friends of mine died, people from this town died in that attack".<br />
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"I know a lot of people that got hurt and died that day, my brother's fucked up, he's an accountant. (garbled mutterings about his brother).. But uh, I will say this, my, when I comes, I don't know if I missed something, cos I am proud of you to get a gig like this, (to Shayler). But uh, that was an aircraft my friends, that hit those buildings, cos my brother can only remember pools of blood. It was a beautiful day in New York that day, similar to what it was here and uh, he got off his bus, 3,200 motherfuckers that were just going to work, probably didn't like their jobs, who does right"?<br />
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"Then 9/11 happens, Boom and the buildings fall down. Well I worked in the steel business for a lot of years. Now the first thing I did, my kid being 4 months old, is I flew home as soon as the aircraft got up from Manchester, and I went down and worked in that shit hole for four months. I saw parts of the aircraft come out, I saw a lot of bodies come out and I saw all this, that and the other thing".<br />
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"Number 7 was undermined by number one falling down, it hit number five and threw it underneath the thing. There was a rescue mission going on for Police Officers, civilians, whoever, there weren't many under that steel right"?<br />
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"So end this thing about number 7, secret shit, it was a Federal building, Emergency Command Centre was in there with Giuliani and all that. He shoulda been in it when it came down personally, but he took all the hookers off the street.. [the next bit is inaudible as the audience laugh over him] .. but serious business".<br />
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"I'm just gonna jump off, but I say if you look at this thing, I respect, you know we've got a constitution [inaudible] but Clinton started it okay? They hit that thing in '93 and I wanna tell you this, and I'm just gonna say, you can boo me or whatever and I'll frig off, there is more to me than what you think and I do know that conspiracies take place, but my son being English, there is an Islamic conspiracy that was taken advantage of by my government and yours. They flew planes in. You've gotta understand if you are not American, you don't think we can be hit until that day. If you'd have told me one minute before that plane hit, I would have laughed at you and I would have made a $100,000 dollar bet knowing that I'd never have to pay, but it happened".<br />
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"But those buildings were hollow and if any of you have ever been in them, and I've been in them many times. I remember when they got built, we used to buy TVs in that neighbourhood before they went up. Right? The West Road Highway was above the ground. But I gotta tell you something Man, think of the people, whatever it is, this is it and believe me, my government, we keep the right to bear arms and overthrow the motherfucker if this is the case".<br />
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"But it's all bad Americans these days, we got a moron in there that took advantage of what happened that day, and I just wanna say as you look at this stuff, maybe I'm wrong, I'm very emotionally connected to it cos I saw a huge amount of body parts, aircraft parts come out of this thing". Where people are just flying to LA (starts dancing side to side with his elbows out) 'hey my hamburger didn't get there', they went into a building, someones office, all these fuckers doing aah [mimes typing] trying to connect with London (?) and do stocks and all this, right? Okay. These are real people and they all died, I just want you to think of this, when you see the buildings come down and they were hollow. It was a centre core, there was a lot of plasterboard and Sheetrock all through. The inner core fell faster than the outer core. (member of audience shouts what sounds like "False"!) End of. Right"?<br />
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"Detonations. You are seeing Sheetrock come out (waves his arms outwards) because the inner core is falling ten floors faster than the outer core, it flew out like bananas, when across the street, the World Financial Centre, took pieces outta that, it's not a big deal, West Street was not that big. Think of the people who stood there, the rescuers trying to do what they could do".<br />
"Forget Iraq, yeah a lot of people die, and some will say what about the people in Iraq? They got shit that's coming to the surface for two thousand years. Should we have done it? No way, we got an idiot in there. I thought better of Blair, that was a shock. However we can't change that shit, it's all gonna take it's course and its great to see people speak their minds. (He turns to David Shayler and says) David I respect you a great deal but all I'll say is have a moment of silence for people in London and New York and quit being apologists for these motherfuckers that wave an Islamic flag".<br />
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This is his second video which he recorded with his friend Tino <span style="background-color: yellow;">Megaro</span> in an attempt to settle everything once and for all. It did no such thing. Here is the video and the transcript.</div>
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"On September 11th I was in England when that happened. I had... Oh I love these people... A member of my family was almost killed in the World Trade Centre, worked in the South Tower, not gonna say names. My family are immune from you people. </div>
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And the first thing I did, my son was six months old, first thing I did is hopped a plane, went home. I was in the pit, right in it. I smelled the death. 3000 people. I have pictures of all of it, I took, none of your business, call what you want, do what you want. This is a family issue. </div>
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I lost four friends in The World Trade Centre, that I didn't know until my 30th high school reunion, that people employed, People I went to school with. It was a big employer. </div>
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I watched them get built, I didn't see them come down, I was there just after. As soon as the planes could go, I was home and was part of it. I smelled the death, I was down in The Pit, we knew people to get in The Pit. Was there even with my brother in law who was in, (pauses) Government. I'll leave it at that, when they recovered nine firemen, in one little pocket, in one day, one day, so, and that went on 'til march of 2002 by the way. I was around it quite a bit. </div>
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Now that has nothing to do with Rendlesham and the Steel industry....You're referring to that video where these people, MI6 or 5? Where this guy stood up and did his thing (David Shayler), he's a nice guy and he was with the girl (Annie Machon) and there was all this kind of, what I would call Antifa type people now, I mean some of these people go against, were supporters of the 9/11, er, 7/7 bombers and I have nothing but dirt on my shoe for these people. </div>
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First (inaudible) the steel industry. When I got out of the air force, I worked for a steel company out of Connecticut while I was going to school, and er (inaudible) high steel was Involved(? inaudible). Not for me. So I was quite familiar with, but not good at,didn't like heights and it was a major, (pauses) and I won't even say the name of the company because they are owned by interesting Italians. It's quite a big company in Connecticut and that was not the industry for me. Am I an expert on steel? No er, ah. What's my view again? Ah I think Saudi did it,if that, and so, that was the cover up there. That's where my government... (trails off)</div>
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But yeah, I smelled the death and it's, you know, my brother watched it and friends watched people splashing on the ground, they were in it real time and um, so there you go and that's it. </div>
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So that's it, let them ramble on, it's too important, 3000 people dead and these morons, no, no, it came through my families front door, like it, don't like it, call me what you want, erm, it shows more about you than it does about me".<br />
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Because this did not satisfy anyone, and the lies were gaining more attention, in yet another video attempt to clear things up once and for all, he once again tries to explain everything satisfactorily. This is actually the worst attempt of all and was in no way explanatory.<br />
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At the very beginning Gary Heseltine asks Warren to explain what he was doing there, when and why, to give us all context. Instead of answering the question, Warren starts talking about his ex Co-author and fails spectacularly to answer the question at all. Gary doesn't seem to notice this and carries on as if it has had a satisfactory answer. He really does not answer. At no point in this video does he explain the context of why he was there, what he was doing and with whom. He has surely mastered the art of talking without saying anything. Gary doesn't seem to notice the question was superbly evaded. This is interesting because he is always explaining he was trained in special interview techniques and was a detective constable for almost 30 years. He also doesn't mention that he was transport police. For those who are unaware, in the UK, transport police manage trains, train stations and train tracks. Gary told us all initially that he was CID but this turned out to be a lie. Below is the video and the full transcript of this segment. </div>
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G: Your role (indicates with his hands speech marks) in 9/11. Uh, now some people are trying to say that you never went there, er, that this is all a joke, you were there for, or you went for, or if you went, you were supposedly there for months on end at Ground Zero, blah, blah blah. Well the reality is, of the people who have met you and talked to you about this, uh, and I've talked to Sue McAllistair, your ex wife, she confirms that you did attend, but now in your own words, put into context how often you went and what context you went and some of the things that you did. </div>
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W: Well I read um Peter, um Mr Robbins, kind of really ugly thing about that and like I was living in the B.. I was born in the Bronx you know, so I've heard I wasn't, but I was and as my sister as well and this record(? unclear) in a hospital that doesn't exist anymore and er, there you go there. But um, these people are kind of sick. But anyway, um, 9/11, and what Peter didn't mention, is erm, unlike him, I had family directly involved in the attacks. er</div>
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W: Well not to name names, but one of my brothers worked in Tower Two and was on the street level when the plane passed through Tower One, and he was there and he was injured to a degree and er, my sister in law, now, they weren't married then, but they were together and worked for a law firm in Lower Manhattan and she went through it, and they don't talk about it much, and I was indeed living in Liverpool, it's like some big thing, of course I was, and as soon as we could fly I went home, and I went, first of all I was involved in an organisation here that wanted me to bring things to fund raise which you have seen evidence of. </div>
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W: Yeah and because, so erm, ah, I delivered certain things over to the police and the FDNY, and had to do this, which you know is the facts, so I can go around it, whether they do or not is not important, ah these are private persons. When a member of my family was a Federal person so I had access everywhere, and so...</div>
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G: I can reference the fact that on an early meeting we had, I have actually seen several of these photos, one of which is clearly you in Ground Zero with the federal person who got you into there, and another you have an item of Police memorabilia, that's been handed to the er, I think fire Service. </div>
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W: A real thing(? unclear) and the firearm unit, and I know a guy who is in the firearm unit of Merseyside Police, he said when you are going over I want you to do a number of different things with this, that I could, as you just said, 'Cos it's my home town too, not just Peter's and um, not just that, High school friends were involved and an ex girlfriend who vanished and almost killed my own brother. Peter doesn't mention I had family in it cos there's an agenda isn't there? </div>
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In the first video he states "Three friends died in that attack" but in the second video he says "I lost four friends but didn't know until my 30th high school reunion"<br />
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He left Glenn Falls High school in Albany New York in 1979. This puts this trip to New York on the timeline, 2009. So is it three or four friends that he hadn't seen for thirty years and knew absolutely nothing about them?<br />
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He says he grew up in the Bronx in video one. Truth is, he was born in the Bronx, adopted aged 4 months as stated in Left At East Gate, his book Co-Authored by Peter Robbins, now removed from print. His sister was also born in the Bronx and adopted as stated in LAEG.<br />
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In video one he says "I worked in the steel business for a lot of years". In video two he states "When I got out of the air force, I worked for a steel company out of Connecticut while I was going to school, and er (inaudible) high steel was Involved(? inaudible). Not for me. So I was quite familiar with, but not good at,didn't like heights and it was a major, (pauses) and I won't even say the name of the company because they are owned by interesting Italians. It's quite a big company in Connecticut and that was not the industry for me. Am I an expert on steel? No er, ah.<br />
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<i>In context of the situation in the first video, he is intimating that he was on site at Ground Zero because of his experience in the steel industry, he worked in the steel industry for a lot of years In the second video he is saying he was not in the steel industry for a lot of years, he didn't like it, he was afraid of heights and this was high steel.</i><br />
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<i>The other interesting this is that he said he left the air force and was in school when he worked for this company for a lot of years... but not a lot of years... In previous statements he has made he said he left the USAF and went to Broadcasting School in Connecticut and obtained a B.A in communications. </i><br />
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<i>Not only that, but when he was at that school he said he was doing voice work for radio and that he was doing that at major record houses, Atlantic Records, Epic, The Hit Factory and others. He then went on to explain that is where Charlie Comer (John Lennon's publicist and agent of Stevie Ray Vaughan and other mega stars) met him and took him under his wing giving him a job with the record company being a tour publicist and the the artist coordinator for Atlantic records 40th birthday party because he had worked in the music industry for 20 years. That, he says to Tino, is how he got into the music industry. Then later alludes to the fact it was because his father was a lawyer in the industry and he met the rich and famous as a child. In his book his father works in insurance. That is also what he told me for the nine years.</i><br />
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<i>Extensive searches have failed to turn up one scrap of evidence of these claims apart from photographs which are clearly fake, not only are they fake, he says they are fake and that I faked them but if you look on his current Facebook page he has uploaded those very photographs with statements about how real they are. </i><br />
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<i>Not one photograph or one mention in any of the historical or anecdotal publications or Internet forums. One must also remember his claim that he Co-Signed Metallica and was paid half a million dollars finders fee, which he then denied saying and said his friend Richard had signed Metallica and was paid a million, to which Warren alleges he actually said that his friend got the money, but he should have been given half of it because he introduced Metallica to Richard. In actual fact it was Michael Alago who discovered and signed Metallica and there is even a documentary about it on Netflix. He tells to different stories to the same person and the people following this. Tino doesn't bat an eyelid and moved on to the next question. </i><br />
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<i>He states he worked for the record companies for twenty years from 1982 which would mean he was still working for them when he moved to England in either 1999 or 2000, until 2002. Yet he was working at GZ for four months, but 4 times. all while he had a job to do here? </i><br />
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Warren's ex wife, Sue McAllistair, made a statement about his alleged 911 activities.<br />
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Peter Robbins is Larry Warren's Co-author of a book called Left at East Gate, Halt in Woodbridge and Deliberate Deception. All three books were pulled from sale and availability by Peter and their publisher Cosimo due to inaccuracies. Peter never mentions any of these moments Warren is talking about because they never happened. Peter is sending me all of his personal date diaries throughout their relationship for other reasons, however, if he had met Warren at these times, he would have made a note of it in his date diary's. Peter states categorically, this did not happen. </div>
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Lawrence Warren hi ken, i never worked in the clean up and searches.(was at the site when 9 FDNY were recovered from a stair well were you there ?... you are wasting your time , i did have family survive the attack x 2 plus a number of other friends directly affected that day...i have family that are feds.....thus i had access and did other things that helped out........in my small way of course......and those facts stand .....are you another troll? good luck with that because ive never seen such low life's on the net that attack family's of REAL survivors of that rotten day............are you even from NYC ?..........frankly ive given you far to much time....good luck with your troll endeavours.</div>
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The recent final Capel Green forest shoot also gave rise to another batch of photographs and documents that Larry Warren had unearthed from his flat. Whilst this is not the posting to deal with the majority of those I thought you might find this aspect interesting. The campaign to discredit Larry Warren focuses a great deal on his past. A past that includes him visiting 9/11 in the weeks and months following the tragedy. Recently I spoke with Sue, his ex-wife who confirmed that he had flown back to New York four times in the weeks and months post 9/11 and that he had had some limited access to the site through several connections. Now the trolls are determined to try and discredit him for absolutely anything and they are still trying to say that he was a responder who was there everyday, he wasn't but he did go back. In that vein Larry had brought his old passport for that time-frame and as I checked the pages, sure enough on one of them there were four visitor passport stamps corresponding to the four visits over an eight month period and thus corroborating Sue's earlier comment to me that he had gone to New York four times in the aftermath. In addition and in a further confirmation I have also seen a number of pre-digital images of him at/near the site during that time-frame. Indeed one of them shows him presenting a Fire Station Chief with a British Police helmet which I think was originally meant for auction (for charity for the families involved) but I believe they chose to put it on display in the Fire Station instead. All of these images will be released in due course but is very sad that he has had to go to such lengths about almost every aspect of his past to prove that what he has said was true and it represents a terrible indictment of the troll culture that exists in the social media age. And in the weeks leading up to the release of Capel Green I anticipate that the trolls (aided by a certain media guru) will try to muddy the waters with lurid stories in the national press of this that and the other in a desperate attempt to discredit the film, himself and anyone associated with it. GH.</div>
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Now it appears that it isn't me that has mind control powers at all, it is Nick Pope and he is orchestrating this whole shenanigans against Gary Heseltine apparently. The only problem with that is that Gary wasn't anywhere when this all started because it had nothing to do with him and Nick Pope stepped in over the blatant attacks on myself and Alyson Dunlop who were trying to set the record straight.<br />
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Gary Heseltine... This isn't about you and never was. You just want it to be about you because then it justifies your atrocious behaviour and hides the lies you tell over and over again.<br />
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Warren said he went over four times between October and March which is six months. Gary has made a statement saying that Warren's passport shows that he went over four times within 8 months. Once again, two different stories, but then that doesn't matter to Gary, all he cares about is the film. If Warren says he went four times over six months, then he lied. The fact of the matter is that nobody is vouching for him. None of the actual first responders who have openly discussed this recently say he was there. In fact they categorically state that from Warren's own words, his narrative is totally impossible because of what was actually happening at Ground Zero during the times he said he was there. What was happening? Precisely nothing. The site was shut. Here is the time line of events.<br />
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The other problem is that Warren has had trouble with his passport in the past. He made up a great big story about how it was taken off him because he is some kind of military Edge Lord, but in actual fact he mutilated his passport and it was taken from him. Here is a letter from the passport office stating this fact.<br />
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This was shown in the EMUFORA video filmed by Anthony James and shown during the first lecture Peter and Larry gave together. Warren says in the talk that he was discharged for drugs offences and that was just the military lie. He says he was really discharged for not keeping his mouth shut. Full lecture below.<br />
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I could literally make comparisons for days on end. You can now see for yourself how he changes everything he says. At no point has he ever stated what he was doing there or with whom. The only people who were there were contracted to be there for specific purposes, for short lengths of time. Everyone had a specific job to do. No matter how many times he has been asked, he will not say why he was there. He says he was "in the pit" with his brother in law or brother. (He says both).<br />
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Gary states that the person in the photo with him is the person who could get him on site whenever he felt like it. Warren says that person was his brother in law, therefore the person in the photo is his brother in law, but the person in the photo is a NYPD Officer wearing a spring time uniform and the area behind him is clean and clear. That didn't happen until much later as that was an access road for vehicles taking the debris away to Fresh Kills for the investigation. No investigation took place at Ground Zero on the pile, so nobody would be gaining access to the pile to investigate. Another flaw in his lies. As a reminder.. This is allegedly Warren,s family member who got him access to the site four times between October 2001 and March 2002. This is the Federal person conducting the investigation even though he is NYPD. So either Gary doesn't know what he is talking about or Warren is lying, or both are lying. They both think we are all stupid.<br />
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He has gone from working in that shit hole for 4 months to 6 months, to not working there at all, but was there over 8 months according to his passport. He was just with his brother or brother in law, who was investigating the attacks, just like Gary Heseltine alleges to have investigated and concluded the investigation into the 7/7 bombings. Warren says he flew out as soon as the planes were flying again (Mid September), to he flewover four times from October to March which has been changed by Gary to 8 months which makes it May. The photograph below is not from inside Ground Zero, it is outside Ground Zero and the NYPD officer is keeping him out, not in, if he was inside he would be wearing an ID badge. Behind him the road is clear, resurfaced and the building's clean.<br />
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I don't need to spoon feed you all, you can read for yourself and watch how he lies in the videos, it is effortless to him.<br />
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I just want to reiterate one more time. This is not about Gary Heseltine, it is not about Capel Green, it is about Larry Warren. Gary Heseltine is MY troll, I am not his troll as he keeps posting over and over again, playing the victim. He glued himself onto my life and has harrassed me for at least 18 months, telling people I am infatuated with Warren. As a collective they tell people I am a child abusing heroin addict.<br />
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They do not contest a single word that has been said which hasn't all come from me. I have endlessly repeated other people who have outed him over the past 35 years, it isn't my words, they are all his own words, all said by himself.Warren lied to my face, in my own home, in my life, I had known him over nine years and it was not just an internet friendship as is the lie they tell. I have said this many times.<br />
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This is about Warren, his lies and abuses of every single person he has ever met or befriended. It is about the truth which has been told by many people.<br />
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Also, no matter how many times he said that the bodies of 9 firefighters were found in a pocket or a stairwell, it doesn't make that true. That never happened. Something along those lines did happen, but not the way he tells it. Also, if he was present at that time, he would be known to the families of the firefighters. They would all talk to each other, be supporting each other, well they are, but Warren isn't among them and they don't know who he is, also no Federal Agent was present at that time.<br />
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Do your own checking, go over what I have said, go over the timeline provided in the link above. Go see if you can find him in any of the 9/11 groups on any of the social media platforms. If you know him ask him what his specific purpose was. Nobody could take anybody on site so him saying he offered to take Peter along or that his sister was there also, just isn't true. If you were there you were there in a professional capacity and were contracted and paid. He says the Government of New York granted him access. What does that even mean? The Mayor? Who? Why? Specifically when? What dates? With whom? Many of you will be contractors and for safety reasons, you cannot just take your pals along to work for the day. This was sop locked down. many checkpoints to get through manned by the Marines. Nobody was special enough to be given carte blanche access.<br />
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I guess we will have to wait for the film to see the evidence they have included, which allegedly proves without actually contacting anyone involved, that he was there. Only people there can vouch for his presence, Gary wasn't there so how can he state he was? Has Gary Heseltine spoken to Warren's family member who got him access? I am sure that will be in the film Capel Green. I am sure all of the questions asked will be properly answered, with the right evidence, because Heseltine is a brilliant detective. His friends all say so too, but they weren't in the police force with him were they? I wasn't there, Warren wasn't there, Heseltine wasn't at Bentwaters, so non of them have any basis to state as fact, any of these things.<br />
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We can all just say stuff about ourselves. I am a unicorn and I have magickal abilities in making people believe whatever I tell them with my mind powers, I also fart rainbows. Here is an actual photo of me.<br />
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On the 31st May this appeared on the Capel Green Facebook Page <a href="https://www.facebook.com/470499856784119/posts/621306235036813/">Full Conversation </a><br />
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The next day Larry Warren posted this on his own Facebook Page<br />
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People were obviously discussing this new photo. Who is who? The conversation rolled out, the actual witnesses who were at Bentwaters started saying they didn't know anyone in the photo. Lori Redfheld said she thought the guy in the glasses at the front was Jim Penniston. Jim is nine years older than Warren and joined in 1973 so why would he be in this photo? Nobody knew anybody and it certainly isn't Jim.<br />
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Here Tino Megaro tries to tell Adrian he is mistaken, unless their info is incorrect, or maybe another D Flight.<br />
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As you can see from the Screenshot above, it has gone from being D Flight at Bentwaters to "we just used this image to show what a flight looked like in 1980.<br />
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If you read You Can't Tell The people you will read how Georgina Bruni outlined the very many lies and problems with Warren's narrative. Yet here Capel Green states she did a good job.<br />
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I wrote about this, read for yourself here, <a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/06/georgina-bruni-did-tell-people.html">Georgina Bruni Did Tell The People Blog</a><br />
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Buy your copy <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Cant-Tell-People-Definitive/dp/033039021X">here</a>, it is also available on Kindle. There is a whole chapter dedicated to Warren's lies.<br />
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Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-3724978420990124892019-03-16T14:10:00.002+00:002019-03-18T10:15:50.359+00:00Larry Warren claims to be a 911 First Responder and Ground Zero Hero. Edited.<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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For those of you who have been following the Larry Warren Fraud, you will know what I am about to talk about. For those just finding this blog, or wondering who this guy is, this will be news to you. Larry Warren a U.S citizen, originally from Albany New York, now living in Liverpool, UK, he claims to be a lot of things. A Military Veteran after nine months in the USAF (with a discharge code of unsuitable or undesirable), A Military Whistleblower, a UFO witness, has seen Bigfoot and is now trying to convince the world that he is was part of the clean up of Ground Zero.<br />
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It has been a while since I first saw the video of him gatecrashing a conference to tell the audience that he flew in to New York in the immediate aftermath of the attacks as an expert in the steel industry. I called him out on it as soon as I saw the footage. Having known the man personally for nine years, we ment in 2007, he never once remarked upon his expertise in steel nor did he ever mention he was a participant of the clean up and recovery of GZ. For someone who can't keep his mouth shut about anything, this is either a huge surprise or it isn't actually true.<br />
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After I called him out on his 911 claims, he went on the attack. He made another video calling us all scum, me especially, he calls me The Nutbag and The Terrorist, Gary Heseltine states that anyone who believes me is under the influences of dark forces because I love Larry Warren and I am a heroin addict who abuses my children. When my fiance and I allowed him to stay with us for a while when Larry fell on hard times, Gary says I moved him in so I could have an affair with him. There is no evidence Warren has lied, I am a superfan who flipped. I have mental health issues and should not be listened to. He stated, it is just a fatal attraction thing.<br />
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In this video (below) he reiterates he was there, in "The Pit" and he smelled the death, he repeats, I smelled the death. He then tells us how he recovered the bodies of nine Fire Fighters with his brother, or brother in law, he says both, who is CIA and was there as part of the investigation.<br />
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I stated that I did not believe this, I showed his ex Co Author (the book has since been removed from sale because of innacuracies..lies basically) who stated categorically, Warren did not work at Ground Zero. Peter lived in Manhattan at that time and Warren never mentioned it in all the years since 2001. So what happened next? A third video. This one a long one as Gary Heseltine asks him questions and blatantly enables Warrens false narratives.<br />
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After seeing this I couldn't have been more disgusted. Every word a lie with a self proclaimed excellent Detective using the reputation he tells you he has, not what he actually has, to underline the 'truth' and castigate myself and Peter Robbins for lying because we have an agenda. What that agenda is supposed to be, only they know.<br />
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So this is how it rolls. Warren says he took four trips to New York and had full access to the site due to his brother or brother in law being CIA. He originally said he was there because of his expertise in the steel industry, after all, if you were there as an engineer in any capacity, you would have a reason to be there. In fact anyone who was there had to have clearance and good reason to be there. No one could walk on and off site as he is suggesting. Not one person there had the authority to take people onto site. He just isn't that special. Nobody was.<br />
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I am looking at these lies and thinking, I need to tell someone official. This is Stolen Valour. It is NOT the truth and Peter never mentions it because none of it happened. Just to note, Warren told me he took the police helmet to the museum, silly me, I didn't even realise it didn't exist at that point in 2002 when he went home for a visit. he did not go as a part of the crew. He told me about his holiday there and that he went to Ground Zero to pay his respects.<br />
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I deliberated for a long time, how do you approach people with this? It is so ugly. Eventually I had to talk to the one person I knew had been there. This man left his home to go to GZ, it took him two days to get there, got across by ferry, he helped for two days in the bucket chains. At the start this was a rescue operation and they were hoping to find survivors. Unfortunately there were none, but for his efforts, he ended up with cancer and is now recovering from surgery and doing a damned good job too. I approached him with a very brief rundown and asked if he knew anyone I could speak to about it. I sent him the first video. He inititally said that he couldn't help me, I wasn't going to push it further, after all, this is just some crank lying about being a hero.<br />
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Ten minutes later or thereabouts, I received a message from him, he gave me a name and so I contacted that person who was very interested in this man saying these things. They had never heard of him which is unusual because this person knows literally everybody. Did I have any more information? Oh yes. So I sent the information on, the videos and everything I knew that was relevent to 911 and GZ.<br />
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Many people worked there and each of them had a purpose. They were all there as part of an organisation, there were many alphabet agencies involved and each person was a part of one of those agencies and organisations. Each person had a specific purpose and nobody, but NOBODY else was ever allowed on site.<br />
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The person I spoke to has spoken to others and they have some questions they want answering. For now I am representing those people from the 911 community and if they are not satisfied with those answers there are going to be problems.<br />
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Now I know exactly what the response will be from Warren, I am lying, I am abusing the 911 first responders by pretending I am talking to them and that I am not worthy of the answers, this is too personal and I am a troll. Well that is fine, they can say what they like about me, it matters not. This is about Lawrence Patrick Warren, not Sacha Christie.<br />
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These questions are the questions the 911 community would like you to answer Larry Warren. Gary heseltine has no need to comment on what he believes to be true. Feel free to be the person who facilitates the questions and responses, but you have no need to make any commentary as you were not there. It might be easier to copy and paste the questions below and to provide the answers. Upon completion I will provide the details of the person enquiring to you if you do not wish to share the information in public.<br />
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You know how to find me. Get Tino or Dion to ask someone in touch with me, other than that you know what my email address is, let me know when you are done and than I will give you the contact details. I do not need to see any of the replies myself.<br />
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Edit: I said that there were no survivors, this is in fact incorrect. I received this message this morning. "<span style="background-color: #e5e4e4; font-family: "helvetica neue" , "segoe ui" , "helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif; font-size: 16px; white-space: pre-wrap;">Actually after reading what you wrote - twenty people survived and rescued, six NYPD three FDNY two PAPD and some civilians" </span><br />
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What day and date did you recover the bodies of nine Fire Fighters?<br />
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What agency were they from?<br />
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Who were you with when you discovered them?<br />
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Which Engine and Ladder were they from?<br />
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How did you find them, what were you doing?<br />
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Who else was there?<br />
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What happened after you found the Fire Fighters?<br />
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How many were there and was there anything else about the situation you can confirm?<br />
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What were you doing there?<br />
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What department did you work with?<br />
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Which agency asked you to be there?<br />
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Who paid you?<br />
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Who asked you to return each time?<br />
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In what capacity were you employed each of those times?<br />
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Which entrance did you use?<br />
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Who signed you? Nobody wants names, just the agency.<br />
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Where did you go in the pit, which area?<br />
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Which entrance is behind you in the photograph above?<br />
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How many ID's were you issued in your four visits?<br />
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Please describe the first ID badge you were given.<br />
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What colour was your ID badge?<br />
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Where was the office of security management located?<br />
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Who was guarding the site?<br />
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Which check points did you go through?<br />
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Can they talk to your brother who you say you were with?<br />
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Which office did he represent?<br />
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Do you have your proof of presence?<br />
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What is the registery number of your proof of presence.<br />
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Please explain how you got your proof of presence.<br />
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How many affadavits do you have for your proof of presence.<br />
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Where did you eat?<br />
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What food was brought on site at the beginning?<br />
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What were the ladies who delivered the food to the crews called? Not individual names, just a nickname.<br />
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Have you registered for the victim compensation fund?<br />
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Would you like to register for the victim compensation fund?<br />
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The representative of the 911 community I am speaking with would like to confirm what you have said with the FDNY and the DoJ then if you so wish you can be including in the compensation fund, you have a year left to enroll as the enrollment process ends in 2020.<br />
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I am more than sure you will be happy to answer these questions.<br />
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For the readers, Gary Heseltine is a retired British Transport Police Detective. He is making a film with Dion Johnson of Indigo Transmit Films production company. They are making a documentary film about Larry Warren who claims to be the witess to a UFO landing with aliens. It varies between 3,4 and 7 aliens. The film is Called Capel Green and is about the all American Hero Lawrence Warren.<br />
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Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-42400174704899571022019-02-18T15:24:00.005+00:002019-03-12T13:36:37.382+00:00The Cop and The Conman <div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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I was recently sent a huge pile of dirge. I didn't quite know what the deal was at first but then as my eyes managed to begin to focus on the mess in front of me, I laughed, I really did! I am not just saying it to be a wind up, I look at this stuff coming from Heseltine and it is just basics. It is nothing in depth, hard hitting, or even correct. Asks a question, Larry lies, Gary accepts the lie with a smugness that is probably has toxic fall out in five mile radius. All I see is a smug man pontificating with an air of authority Eric Cartman would be proud of.<br />
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I am reading this thing I have been sent and thanks to Nick Pope popping in on my Facebook page and letting me know that this mess of a letter is in response to Nick Pope having sent out an email to people in December. If I had known about that, I have forgotten. After all it isn't that big a deal in the scheme of things, it is just an email right? So I thought anyway.<br />
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To Gary it was the crime of the century and he knows what crime is, so he says.... I get halfway down and see my name mentioned, well done Gary you finally said my name! I am a bit like Voldemort though aren't I? Swooping in wherever my name is mentioned, casting my dark forces over everyone, bewitching them and controlling their minds! Mwuahahahaw!<br />
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Oh but then he got so much wrong! That is why I laughed. The great Detective, the one who told us all he was CID, in actual fact he was not CID, he was British Transport Police. He got in trouble for lying about that. Lost a camera with vital evidence on it... Had a fine, all that kind of malarkey.<br />
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So I thought okay, this is a chain letter then. Nick Pope starts it, Gary regurgitates a load of rubbish and so I am going to respond too now. I will have course have to reproduce it all here, so as usual, bit of a long one, but crammed with facts, pictures, crayon drawings, braille..... Because somebody is blind. He bitches about Nick sending an email, then does the same thing, but it is ok when he does it., Everything is okay when he does it.<br />
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MERRY CHRISTMAS - A CAPEL GREEN SMEAR CAMPAIGN – THE NATURE OF EVIDENCE<br />
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On Tuesday 11th December 2018 a number of recipients to an email sent by Nick Pope have duly sent me a copy of that email.<br />
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Here is a list of people who were recipients of that email, many are people I know and are prominent researchers:<br />
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André Skondras, Stanton Friedman, J. Ritzmann, Peter Davenport, Leslie Kean, Bruce Maccabee, George Knapp, John Schuessler, Frank Warren, Kevin Randle, Ryan Wood, Paola Harris, Philip Mantle, John Hilkevitch, Lee Speigel, John Greenewald, Tom Carey, Chris Rutkowski, Donald Schmitt, Giuliano Marinkovic, Jerome Clark and Richard Dolan.<br />
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Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2018, 2:09 PM<br />
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André, As you may be aware, the Larry Warren fraud was definitively exposed well over a year ago now. His story unravelled when it was shown to be partly stolen from genuine witnesses, and partly made-up. Following the exposure of the fraud, Warren's co-author disassociated himself from their previous collaboration, and his publisher terminated distribution of his book, in view of the "inaccurate or embellished" content.<br />
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Despite being touted as a documentary about the Rendlesham Forest incident, Capel Green seems to be an attempt to rebrand the Larry Warren fraud, perhaps trying to sell it to people who are unaware that the story was proved to be bogus. It's not clear whether the filmmakers simply haven't done their due diligence, or whether they're aware of Warren's lies but simply don't care that they're promoting a false narrative.<br />
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Either way, the UFO community is getting understandably annoyed at what looks like an attempt to con them a second time with the same bogus story.<br />
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I think the first thing to say about this email is ‘WOW’! Go for it Nick!<br />
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Now if Nick’s email had been accurate and well sourced then he would have had legitimate grounds to contact colleagues in such a way because I have always believed it is better to be for-warned and therefore for-armed.<br />
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However, upon taking stock of his email the realisation dawned on me that I cannot allow him to cast doubt on my personal integrity by way of his attack on the Capel Green documentary of which he knows I am the lead researcher and co-writer, so I have decided to respond to that email with a critical analysis of it based on the FACTS and not unsourced ‘slander’.<br />
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<i>Gary, it is NOT slander. It is LIBEL. Slander is the spoken word, Libel is written. S for short lived, L for long standing, that might help you remember the way it works. L is for Libel. But the truth is never libel, so that is a moot point. </i><br />
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I think the intent of his email is pretty clear to anyone who reads it – stay away from looking at the Capel Green documentary that is in production, it’s not based on facts, it’s a rebranding of a ‘known’ fraudulent story i.e. that of Larry Warren.<br />
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<i>It is based on three decades of people outing Warren for his lies. None of this is new news. It also had nothing to do with Capel Green, this is one of your manipulation techniques. This was about Warren lying to my face and dragging me into his machiavellian schemes for YEARS without me realising what he was doing. How could anyone ever be that devious? Well he is.</i><br />
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I believe the email shows clear evidence of a campaign to smear Larry Warren, the Capel Green documentary and myself indirectly as the lead researcher and co-writer. Clearly anyone associated with this documentary is either complicit to Warren’s lies and the film represents, in his view, an attempt to ‘con’ the UFO community.<br />
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<i>Capel Green was not even a twinkle in your eye when Warren and I fell out in November 2015. He then sent me a me a message threatening my home. Where were you then? Nowhere, because it was nothing to do with you. </i><br />
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Now Nick has carved out a hugely successful media career for himself since he first declared in 1996 on BBC2’s prestigious political programme ‘Newsnight’ that he believed that some UFOs were extraterrestrial. Yes, I know some of you will be shaking your head at this point, but he really did say that.<br />
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<i>Yeah that really pisses you off doesn't it? Jealous much?</i><br />
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<a href="source: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=nick+pope+newsnight+clip+1996&view=detail&mid=9C41BB8C7CB9063F7BF99C41BB8C7CB9063F7BF9&FORM=VIRE">A Newsnight link to a Nick Pope Interview. Gary can't stand that he isn't the go to guy.</a><br />
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Now in the process of carving out that media career he has become the ‘go-to’ guy for UFOs in Britain and to a degree around the world. Afterall, he had credibility because between 1991-1994 he worked as a low grade civil servant in the one person ‘UFO Desk office’ for the Ministry of Defence.<br />
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<i>Funny that, you told everyone you were CID but it turns out you were British Transport Police, for people who don't know, they police trains and train stations, train tracks. Although Gary claims to have single handedly solved the London Bombings. </i><br />
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He regularly posts articles in Britain in national newspapers even though he is US based so he clearly still has significant influence in terms of media contacts both in the UK.<br />
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<i>So what? If you are as brilliant as you make yourself out to be, why haven't you got those contacts? </i><br />
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It is with that in mind that the significance of this email that he sent out on 11th December 2018, to many prominent UFO researchers, should not be under-estimated and it is for that reason that I feel I have to respond because to say nothing might give the impression to people reading it that what he said in it had credence when in fact it has none whatsoever.<br />
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<i>That is your opinion Gary. Based on the evidence multitudes of people have presented over the past three decades, there is good cause to be concerned. Barry Greenwood and Larry Fawcett discovered Warren was lying, they dropped him. That was way back in the mid 1980s. He lied to everyone and they all knew he was a liar back then. Again in the 90's Georginga Bruni revealed his lies to her, ones that she wrote about in her book You Can't Tell The People. Linda Moulton Howe transcribed a conversation she had with him and Benton Jamieson. James Eastern, Steve LaPlume, Peter Robbins, Duane Carleton, May Pang, Craig Hopkins, Myself... the list goes on. Of course they all had an agenda too I suppose? </i><br />
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Now unlike his ‘unsourced’ email I will go through the text, line by line, with the FACTS of the matter and I will leave it for ordinary people and those researchers who received it to judge the merits of my response.<br />
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<i>I will do the same. </i><br />
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BREAKDOWN OF THE EMAIL WITH FACTS<br />
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Extract: As you may be aware, the Larry Warren fraud was definitively exposed well over a year ago now. His story unravelled when it was shown to be partly stolen from genuine witnesses, and partly made-up.<br />
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<i>This is true see Left Out At Eastgate</i><br />
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Sadly, this occurred almost three years ago and the Larry Warren ‘fraud’ was triggered by the ‘claims’ of his former ‘number one’ fan, an out and out LW supporter for approximately 9 YEARS who then made a 180 degree turnabout to become his ‘number one’ hater intent on destroying/discrediting LW. Her name, Sacha Christie.<br />
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<i>This is your weakest argument. I was not Warren's number one fan, I was his friend for nine years. Friend and supporter. In actuality I was his useful idiot and he was never my friend, he has opportunities, not friends. I don't hate him either. I was very angry at first when I realised he was a liar and I had enabled him. I had put a roof over his head, I was furious. Now I feel nothing for him. Not hate, I am incredulous still. Even more so now that you are doing this for him. He doesn't give a toss about you, he cares only for himself. </i><br />
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Sacha Christie was soon joined by three other people, David Young, James Welsh and Alyson Dunlop to form a four-pronged campaign to discredit LW or anyone who believed in Larry Warren’s account.<br />
They claimed to have ‘overwhelming evidence’ of LW’s lies about his involvement, or lack of it as they claim, in the Rendlesham Forest incident, that he had forged/altered some of his military documents, that he was an out and out fraud, being a regular dealer in ‘fake’ music memorabilia and that he had photoshopped a number of photographs with prominent musicians by placing himself into photographs with them.<br />
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<i>That is not true either. What you have conveniently forgotten is that Alyson Dunlop is the organiser of the SPI Conference in Scotland. One where Peter Robbins and Larry Warren were billed to speak together. I said I was going to go to the conference and ask him why Adrian Bustinza said he left Warren in the field after taking cameras from people and then went off with Halt and the other and was with Halt all night, not with Warren until 4.30 am as is told in Left at East Gate. </i><br />
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<i><br /></i><i>I wanted to know why Adrian said he was debriefed alone, not in an underground base with aliens, no mention of being gassed and bundled into a car and taken to an underground base with Larry Warren. I said I would submit my question before hand. Warren lied and told people I threatened his family. He then threatened to jump off stage and put my windpipe through my spine, he said you are a threat at this point... Interesting choice of words don't you think? Rip my throat out so I can't speak and he is threatened by a question? When friends said they would ask the question he threw out the you (whomever) which extends the threat to anyone who would ask that question too. </i><br />
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<i> Obviously this caused some trouble for Alyson Dunlop who was the organiser. The event was cancelled by Glasgow University because of his threats and she almost didn't manage to secure another venue. She did in fact secure another venue, the conference went on without Warren who turned up anyway, a video with him in the car exists, he states "I will be speaking". He thought he could turn up and blag his way in with his crazy lady super fan routine. What he did do though was tell everyone I am a heroin addict and that I abuse my children, they live in filth, I scream and shout all the time and that he left because we were doing drugs in front of the kids. In actual fact that was Warren who was doing drugs, passing out and urinating on our sofa. Alyson released a statement in the end after seeing that Warren was telling people I was drunk on stage at 10am at the Rendlesham 2012 conference. USAF Captain Robert Salas stepped in at this point and said that was not true, he was the speaker after me and we went to lunch together. </i><br />
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<i><br /></i><i>Warren also told everyone he had given me the conference spot and that he had paid me. I did not take payment, I told them to put the money towards the other speakers. Also, Warren was not the organiser of the event, Gordy Goodger gave me the conference spot and has stated publicly that I was the only speaker who did not take payment or expenses for hotel accomodation. Alyson saw all this and realised what a mess she had been dragged into, she wrote a statement telling people of her awful experience with Warren who then turned on her and blamed her for him being banned and accused her of being in on some conspiracy, then put on a photo of her that "This bitch needs running off". You don't know this Gary because you don't look at my blogs, you say they are just opinion, you don't know because you weren't there because this has nothing to do with you and it had nothing to do with Capel Green, it didn't exist. YOU made it about yourself and Capel Green.</i><br />
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They said they had ‘so much evidence’ and claimed to be ‘legitimate’ UFO researchers that just wanted to ‘tell the truth’.<br />
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<i>This is in fact true, no need for the ' ' only the one thing you keep getting wrong is saying I am a professional. A professional what? A professional Facebooker and blogger? I don't get paid, it is not a profession, it is my life. This is me living my life, talking about something that happened to me in my life. Now you are happening to me aren't you? You think you can smug rub this out of existence because you think you are professional. Sadly you fall far from that mark, as do I because I am NOT a professional. </i><br />
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There is one thing I can be very certain of with regard to the four main detractors of Larry Warren and that is that I GUARENTEE ( GUARANTEE GARY) that I am the only one with a factual and practical working knowledge of what police evidence is having served almost 24 years in the British Transport Police.<br />
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For almost 19 years I worked as a ‘Home Office’ trained Detective Constable (training in Birmingham at the Edgbaston Detective Training School). I was commended several times by my own Force and also by the West Yorkshire Police. I was also an Advanced Tier 3 interviewer of suspects and witnesses and have worked on many serious cases including murder, manslaughter and rape. In addition, I qualified in 2009 as an accredited detective of ‘Serious and Complex’ crime.<br />
I think with the above experience I can legitimately analyse/interpret what constitutes actual evidence, evidence that would stand up to scrutiny in a British court of law.<br />
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<i>You should be better at this then. Did you just accept the word of people who were accused of crimes? That is what you are doing now. Your due diligence is missing. </i><br />
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Therefore, I will now summarize the evidence that the four detractors offered as ‘overwhelming evidence’ to an unsuspecting and ill-informed public and … researchers.<br />
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<i>I will now provide evidence of your total ignorance and lack of critical thinking.</i><br />
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1. That Larry Warren is a fraud.<br />
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<i>Correct, well done.</i><br />
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Now if some calls someone a fraud that infers to me as a former detective that the person accused has some kind of criminal conviction of a fraudulent nature.<br />
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<i>Have you checked a data base to see if this is true or are you just saying that? How do you know he doesn't have a criminal record? What about court orders against him to pay back money he obtained fraudulently by selling fake items in auction? What about him going bankrupt for that very thing? How do you KNOW Warren has no convictions for anything? You are not a police officer anymore, did you get someone to do an illegal search for you? Have you checked court records etc, both in the UK and USA? Speaking to memorabilia guys, they knew about Warren 25 years ago. They tell me it is notoriously difficult to secure a conviction in memorabilia forgery because of the disclaimers the auctioneers have and the buyer beware laws that exist. You have to prove it was knowingly sold as a forgery, that is IF a victim of said crime has discovered their loss. There are many criminals who have never been convicted. The Crown Prosecution Service have to have sufficient evidence to prosecute, you know all about that because you lost vital evidence in a rape case didn't you? The rapist got away with it, they couldn't take him to court without the evidence, but Warren is being taken to court in a private prosecution now isn't he? </i><br />
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FACT: Larry Warren has never been arrested or charged with any fraudulent offence.<br />
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<i>You do not KNOW that as a fact. </i><br />
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Conclusion: to say that of him or anyone without such an arrest or charge for fraud actually commits SLANDER against the person.<br />
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<i>It is LIBEL. That is very basic stuff </i><br />
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2. Handwriting analysis compiled by James Welsh proves that Larry Warren tampered with some of his military records by impersonating military personnel using his own writing instead.<br />
When James Welsh sent me his handwriting analysis in August 2016 and before looking at it I said to him, “Are you a police accredited handwriting expert,” to which he replied, “No.” I then told him that in a court of law his analysis proved nothing whatsoever and was ‘evidentially’ inadmissible because he was not a police accredited handwriting expert’.<br />
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<i>That is correct James is not an expert, neither are you. You cannot say whether it is fake or not because you don't know anything about it either. </i><br />
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Conclusion: His analysis is not worth the paper it is written on in terms of actual evidence in a court of law.<br />
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<i>Absolutely true! Neither is yours! However, if this were to be put in front of a judge, which I pray to God every day that happens, they would have cause for concern. The other thing is, we have that analysis now. Not by James, not by myself, by a PROFESSIONAL Gary! The very thing you said was needed! Duane Carleton was Warren's friend in the 90's. From 1993 to be precise. You know, when Warren says he worked for Atlantic Records for 20 years and other recording studios in the business, how come he was bumming around Rutland, Vermont giving away dodgy memorabilia? He gave Duane a leather jacket, the one he is wearing in the photo you brandish around in the video you did with him on the sofa. That jacket has a story... </i><br />
<i><br /></i><i>Warren states; It was signed by Stevie Ray Vaughan in 1986 when Warren was working as a tour publicist on the Now and Zen tour for Robert Plant, the day after he was Artist Coordinator for Atlantic Records 40th Birthday Party in Madison Square Gardens. One night Stevie Ray Vaughan and Robert Plant played at the same venue on the same night. Warren says in New York City. Problem is, it is signed Stevie Ray Vaughn 1986. That gig didn't happen in NYC in 1986, it happened in Connecticut in 1988 and it is spelled "Vaughan" not "Vaughn". Warren mentions this jacket to Duane in a personal letter he wrote to Duane. Duane also has a letter of authenticity signed Rene Martinez, weirdly Rene has the same spelling mistakes as Warren and his handwriting is practically identical. We CAN have those items analysed and we will. The jacket was analysed PROFESSIONALLY and has been deemed to be a forgery by said professional. When the professional found out what the issue was, he further confirmed with with a total of nine authenticators. It IS a forgery, it was Warren's jacket, there are photos of him wearing it and he mentions it in the personal letter to Duane. Undeniable. That paper is worth the jacket's weight in gold. </i><br />
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<i><a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-larry-warren-fraud-absolute-proof.html">The Larry Warren Fraud Irrefutable PROOF compiled by Duane Carleton</a></i><br />
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3. Larry Warren sold bogus music memorabilia through various auctions houses in the UK.<br />
Whilst I have not looked in depth as this claim I have found no evidence to date to corroborate this allegation. As stated earlier, he has never been arrested or charged with any kind of fraud offence which would apply here if people had complained to the police over the years.<br />
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<i>There is endless evidence of this. </i><br />
<i><br /></i><i><a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/05/larry-warren-auction-items.html">Larry Warren Auction Items (needs updating with the past three years items)</a></i><br />
<a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/05/larry-warren-auction-sales-document-3.html">Larry Warren Auction Sales (also needs updating)</a><br />
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Further, I have seen documentary evidence (anything written in a document in police/court jargon) that supports the legitimacy of his legitimate memorabilia dealings over a number of years. Note: This ‘evidence’ will be presented in due course and will be covered with the release of the Capel Green film in 2019.<br />
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<i>Looking forward to that</i><br />
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Conclusion: I find there is no evidence to support this allegation against Larry Warren.<br />
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<i>Because you have not looked. You just said, you have not looked. HOW can you reach this conclusion without even looking? That is NOT due dilligence, it is NOT research , it is in fact a decision made by you because you think you are right. You are totally wrong. I am so glad you said all this. "I haven't looked, my conclusion is, there is no evidence". You CAN find it, in my blogs.</i><br />
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4. That he has produced a number of ‘photoshopped’ photographic images where he placed himself alongside a number of famous music celebrities.<br />
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<i>Taken from Warren's own Facebook page, not his old one, the one he uses now. </i><br />
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Fact: I have recently viewed a batch of ORIGINAL music celebrity photographs where Larry is beside the said music celebrity/celebrities.<br />
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<i>Wrong again. As you can clearly see, these images have been tampered with, but they have been uploaded onto Warren's Facebook account as real and have been uploaded recently too. </i><br />
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Whilst I am not a big music/rock fan I believe that the photographs are genuine and will be the subject of a video release in January 2019 where the originals will be shown and examined.<br />
Conclusion: To date – I have found no evidence to corroborate the allegation that he has photo-shopped celebrity photographs.<br />
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<i>You are not an expert, you do not even know what EXIF data is or how it cannot be manipulated without leaving evidence of manipulation. You are not qualified to make these claims, just as you said James and myself are not qualified. </i><br />
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However, there is one thing I should add here. I have found some circumstantial evidence to suggest that a number of other people who have been involved in the campaign to discredit him may have created a number of images themselves and have circulated them in an attempt to give the impression to people that they had been made by Larry Warren.<br />
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<i>Accusing people of setting him up. Why do you have reason to believe this? Because he told you? Great detective work. He told Peter Robbins the Lennon sketch was real and that he is 19 in that photo. He posted the other onto Facebook himself and still claims they are real. Where is your evidence of this? How can you say the images are manipulated when he is using them and calling them real. How can they be fake and real? </i><br />
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<a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/05/open-letter-to-peter-robbins_5.html">My Open Letter to Peter Robbins discussing the Lennon Image.</a><br />
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Summary Conclusion of the evidence presented by the four ‘researchers’<br />
Based on the four main allegations made against Larry Warren – NONE ARE FACTUALLY CORRECT!<br />
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<i>All I can say to that is utter bollocks Gary. You just decide things and think you are right. Blatantly you are not. </i><br />
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Let’s move on.<br />
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<i>I wish you would move along, this has nothing to do with you. You are just an egomaniac who wants to be Graham Birdsall, but you couldn't live up to one of his turds.</i><br />
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Extract: Following the exposure of the fraud, Warren's co-author disassociated himself from their previous collaboration, and his publisher terminated distribution of his book, in view of the "inaccurate or embellished" content.<br />
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<i>Correct... Although it is much more serious than that. Warren singled Peter out and a MUFON meeting, he wasn't a writer. Peter states in an early BUFORA video that he had to train himself. He then systematically lied to Peter for decades. </i><br />
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Now on the face it some people might think that this proves that his detractors were right all along, after all, Larry Warren’s co-author, Peter Robbins (of Left at East Gate) ended his association with him after approximately 28 years citing that their relationship had ‘broken down’ after it became ‘clear’ to him that Warren had been lying on a number of issues throughout their long collaboration period.<br />
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<i>All true.</i><br />
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As I have stated before on this aspect. Is Peter Robbins really admitting that he had issues with Larry’s honesty over the course of 28 years and did nothing for 28 years having travelled the world and written three books totally backing his account! Really Peter?<br />
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<i>Where did he say that? Produce where he said those words. Peter has had to admit he was wrong about Warren, yes he has had issues with him in the past, they are documented. There is an instance in You Can't Tell The People where Warren had to admit that he faked his hypnosis session, you know the one he never mentions because he faked it? Admitted to faking it and that that was the very first time he mentioned aliens, in a faked hypnosis session. Fred Max...... ring any bells Gary? Peter was quoted in Georgina Bruni's book as having told her Warren lied, he forgave him because he believed him, just as you do now. You are doing the same thing Peter did. Even YOU know he has lied.</i><br />
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That said PR wrote to their publisher ‘Cosimo Books’ highlighting to them that the book may contain some inaccurate information, supplied by Warren and that it should be withdrawn from public sale. In October 2017 and quite rightly, the publisher responded to this by suspending further publication/distribution of the book stating that it would conduct its own investigation to determine if there were factual grounds to withdraw it permanently.<br />
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Around the same time Larry Warren also wrote to the publisher saying that he too wanted the book permanently removed because he was not happy with aspects of it stating that it had become somewhat ‘dated’.<br />
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So, what are the real facts:<br />
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Fact: As a result of Peter Robbins request for the book to be withdrawn Cosimo Books ‘temporarily suspended’ Left At East Date citing they would be conducting an internal investigation into the claims made by PR.<br />
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<i>In October Cosimo announced suspension.</i><br />
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Fact: Cosimo Books announced on 22nd January 2018 that the book had been permanently withdrawn at the request of BOTH authors (see below).<br />
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<i>In November Warren said pull it, but not until 20 days after it had been suspended</i><br />
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Fact: In withdrawing the book permanently Cosimo Books made no mention of the result of any internal investigation regarding the claims made by PR.<br />
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<a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/10/left-at-east-gate-suspended-by-publisher.html">Cosimo Suspends Left at East Gate (blog)</a><br />
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Fact: In withdrawing the book permanently Cosimo Books did not state at ANY time that it was being withdrawn on the grounds of it being ‘inaccurate or embellished’ as Nick Pope claims in the email.<br />
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<i>Wrong again. It says it on the announcement above. I thought you were an investigator? YOU are the professional are you not? How did you miss that? </i><br />
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Conclusion of the Nick Pope line of text - it was factually very inaccurate.<br />
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<i>Conclusion of the Gary Heseltine line of text - it is factually very, very inaccurate.</i><br />
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Now having met Larry Warren many times over the years and based on my police background as an Advanced interviewer I have always believed that his Capel Green account was true and it is because of that, that I decided to become involved in the Capel Green documentary.<br />
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<i>You decided to do it because you have met him many times? Advanced interviewer is laughable. Your interview with Warren on the sofa last week proved you do not employ any advanced interview techniques.</i><br />
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Now whilst Peter Robbins and his relationship with Larry Warren has broken down I always believed that Peter stood by Larry’s account of his involvement in the RFI 100%. Now that would be significant if true.<br />
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<i>Well it isn't true though is it? Not anymore, So... pointless remark. </i><br />
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Therefore, I now reveal an email from Peter in January 2017 (and significantly after the cessation of his working collaboration to Larry Warren) to my wife and I where he addresses that very issue:<br />
So, LW deserved the award from the magazine, that LW was there (i.e. in the forest and his account was accurate), that he did have the courage to stand up as a witness for years when no one else would, and yes he was the first true sustained whistleblower, no question and finally that there was a mob out there who want to feed Larry to the sharks!<br />
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<i>Larry IS the shark. Steve Roberts was the first person to talk about the event to Brenda. Larry was not the first person. He says in this he is not the first, he is just the loudest. You would know this if you knew anything. It is written is Skycrash too. Conveniently forgotten. The women already knew all about it and so this would have come out and did come out because of Brenda Butler Jenny Randles and Dot Street, also Bobb Todd who actually got the memo out. He deserved an award for the biggest balls in ufology to lie to the extent he has, is amazing. Courage? In the face of Sacha Christie, or is it because ALL the detractors over the past, almost 40 years, as there are MANY.</i><br />
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Need I say more on that issue.<br />
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<i>Well you probably could but then you would be making a bigger fool of yourself.</i><br />
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Extract: Despite being touted as a documentary about the Rendlesham Forest incident, Capel Green seems to be an attempt to rebrand the Larry Warren fraud, perhaps trying to sell it to people who are unaware that the story was proved to be bogus.<br />
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Response: Capel Green is not being ‘touted’ as a documentary about the Rendlesham Forest incident – it is a legitimate documentary about the RFI. How do I know that? Because I am the co-writer so I can vouch for its content personally.<br />
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<i>Yes we know, but the content is inaccurate. Nothing happened on Capel Green. That isn't even Capel Green. It is a large area called Capel St Andrews, Capel Green is at the other side. Over the road, further away from the field where only Warren says anything happened. This actually ties in with what he said to me, to my face , in my home. "It wasn't there it was at the other side, I got mixed up. I thought I had found the right tree but I got mixed up, it was at the other side", when I questioned various locations he replied "You haven't seen it" (the location). I stated this right at the start of alkl of this. It was this and his confession about taking Adrian bustinzas account aht alerted me, that and the fact he tried to wipe Brenda, dot and Jenny out of the picture because someone wanted to make a film about his event. He wanted to be king of the hill and you are curtrently helping him do that. </i><br />
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Capel Green will FACTUALLY examine the Larry Warren account in detail i.e. that there was a landed craft in a farmer’s field, that numerous security police personnel were present to witness it, that three ‘entities’ were seen ‘floating’ beside it, that a number of senior US officers arrived and one of them had a close proximity ‘face off’ with the entities and that the event was ‘filmed on both cine film and on an early video camera.<br />
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<i>HOW are you going to do that? Has Warren fixed his time machine? What EVIDENCE can you base this on?? Utter tosh Gary. </i><br />
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In addition, it will also FACTUALLY tell the story of the rest of the incidents involved over several successive nights in late December 1980.<br />
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<i>How? You can't talk about Halt, use his tape or his memo, John Burroughs doesn't want to know you, Jim Penniston stated recently you are using his intellectual property without permission. Nobody likes you, the only people you have managed to scrape together are people who were not there that night, nor did they experience anything on Capel Green. </i><br />
<i><br /></i><i>What you have done is dragged a pile of genuine witnesses to seperate events on different, nights in different places, different years, into a lie to try and make it look like Warren is telling the truth. Nobody disbelieves the other witnesses, they are valid in their own right. You should have just made a documentary about them and the area instead of trying to capitalise on Warren's lies and the attention this is receiving. You are dragging those people to hell with you. </i><br />
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Note: During the course of my research for the documentary I have gathered a lot of new FACTUAL evidence (both witness testimony and documentary evidence (a legal police term for anything written in a document) that has never been revealed to the public in any documentary made about the RFI to date.<br />
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<i>How can memories be used as evidential facts? You are going to PROVE aliens landed on Capel Green are you? Can't wait for that.</i><br />
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I guarantee much of this new evidence will attain great importance to the development of the case.<br />
So, the reality is there is no ‘attempt to rebrand the Larry Warren fraud’ – all of what will be presented will be fact-based.<br />
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<i>This is exactly what it is. A rebranding of the RFI, not a rebranding of The Larry Warren Fraud. None of the other witnesses want anything to do with it. How can you say that? </i><br />
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Surely that’s a good thing, isn’t it?<br />
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<i>No, it is a con.</i><br />
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Let’s move on.<br />
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Extract: It's not clear whether the filmmakers simply haven't done their due diligence, or whether they're aware of Warren's lies but simply don't care that they're promoting a false narrative.<br />
Either way, the UFO community is getting understandably annoyed at what looks like an attempt to con them a second time with the same bogus story.<br />
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<i>Absolutely true</i><br />
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Response: I guarantee I have done my due diligence and suspect that those that are seeking to smear Capel Green HAVE NOT!<br />
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<i>Wrong again Gary</i><br />
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The film will only be based on facts. End of.<br />
<i><br /></i><i>Outrageous claim to make. </i><br />
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The facts that I have gathered will fully confirm the legitimacy of Larry Warren’s account so therefore it can’t be promoting a ‘false narrative’ if it is factually true.<br />
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<i>You are repeating yourself. Saying FACT over and over doesn't make it true. </i><br />
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Also, I see no real evidence that the UFO Community is getting ‘annoyed at what looks like an attempt to con them a second time with the same bogus story’.<br />
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<i>You must be blind, deaf and dumb then OR you simply have refused to look at anything I, or anyone else says.</i><br />
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In fact, a number of people who Nick Pope emailed have contacted me personally to let me know what he had sent them. That says much for ‘the UFO community’ being ‘annoyed’.<br />
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<i>I bet they are totally blown away by your whinge then and publishing their names. You really should have removed Andre's name from the top of the email because now we know where it came from. You do not protect anyone do you? You drag them into things and throw it out to the public, just like Warren..</i><br />
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What is apparent is that most people, genuine people, who have an interest in the case have found the last two to three years of infighting and smearing highly damaging and a detriment to the overall credibility of the RFI case.<br />
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<i>Most people? Utterly ridiculous. Most people!! Have you done a head count? A survey? You can't speak for anyone but yourself. If MOST people are supportive why were you shouting at people for not supporting you at the Awakening conference in June 2018?</i><br />
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I think all people really want is the FACTS and I and the Director of Capel Green are going to give those facts to them and let the evidence FALL WHERE IT FALLS.<br />
FURTHER CONCLUSIONS<br />
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<i>Evidence. Can't wait. </i><br />
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Where is the evidence of the due diligence made by Nick Pope to determine the veracity of the ‘allegations’ made by the four ‘researchers’?<br />
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<i>He has eyes, he can see, you haven't looked, you say this is all crazy fan stuff and that everyone is blinded by me. Nope. they have looked at the collection of videos of Warren telling different versions, he has seen the evidence of the others before me. It is all on my blog, that is where it is. The thing you refuse to look at.</i><br />
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At any point has he contacted me personally about the nature of the allegations against Larry Warren? Answer – NO.<br />
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<i>Yes, quite a few people did. I know James did, I sent you all those photos proving the A10 photo was actually supposed to be colour. You have been told by lots of people, you even shouted at some of them for not supporting you, in fact you shouted that nobody had supported you. You were told because you are wrong, that is why you shouted. So, you are lying.</i><br />
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At any point has he contacted to ask about the evidence I have accumulated to confirm the Larry Warren account? – NO.<br />
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<i>Why would anyone do that? Why would they contact you when all you have done is shout at people and be an arrogant man to them all. Bullying me for swearing when I was furious about the lies, spreading lies about ME Gary Heseltine. You are guilty of all the crimes you accuse myself and others of. You even had the worst of the shows you did deleted because what you did are classed as hate crimes, malicious communications and LIBEL. Did YOU interview me? Peter? Anyone? </i><br />
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What is clear is that far from scrutinizing the actual evidence, Nick Pope has simply taken the word of – Warren’s detractors, from people with clear a clear agenda, with not a jot of real investigative skills between them, to discredit LW without corroborating the information they put forward himself.<br />
This inevitably does not reflect well on the ‘man from the MOD UFO desk’ so you have to ask the question – What is his motive for promoting a series of unsubstantiated allegations made against Larry Warren?<br />
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<i>What is clear is that YOU haven't looked at the evidence. NOBODY has taken my WORD for it, they looked at the evidence and made up their minds themselves. I haven't coerced anyone into believing me. </i><br />
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I think a logical case can be made for believing that his vehement opposition to the Capel Green documentary is based probably on a level of ‘fear’ at what the documentary may reveal to the general public about the true nature of the events that took place in and around Rendlesham Forest the twin bases of RAF Woodbridge and RAF Bentwaters.<br />
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<i>YOU made this about you and Capel Green. Capel Green is just a bubble of money making nonsense I don't even care about that. Get on with it, it will be easy to debunk. The Warren parts anyway. The rest I believe and always have. It will reveal nothing new. </i><br />
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Note: He was asked to give an interview about his criticism of the film by Dion Johnson, the Director and he refused to comment and walked hastily away from him. Talk about standing firm with the conviction of your criticism!<br />
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<i>Wow to this. Laughable. He isn't giving you his attention therefore, big conspiracy. </i><br />
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FURTHER BACKGROUND<br />
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Nick and I have known each other for many years. For most of them we have been polite and affable in each other’s company with no ill feelings whatsoever. That said I have made it clear on a number of occasions publicly and not least over dinner to him personally that I believe that he was a ‘plant’ into the UFO community by the MOD in the late 90s.<br />
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However, the nature of our relationship changed dramatically when I stated publicly my support for Larry Warren’s Capel Green account?<br />
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<i>Because Warren is a liar, this has been proven over and over and over and because of your gross behaviour and support of a man who threatens peoples lives. It was proven way before you joined in. You joined in to say the A10 photograph was legitimate, you made a massive deal about it and then had to admit it wasn't genuine!</i><br />
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How did our relationship change?<br />
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<i>You backed a liar who threatens women and trashes their lives. </i><br />
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Simple – he began via social media i.e. Facebook to publicly criticize me for supporting the Larry Warren ‘fraud’. For example - See this FB quote from January 2018 where he said I might face criminal or civil charges for attempting to defraud the UFO community!<br />
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<i>We live in hope. But all I have to do is carry on with this book. You will go down with Warren as being the worst investigator in the history of humanity. </i><br />
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Again, it begs the obvious question - ‘why is he so vehemently’ opposed to anyone who supports the LW account?<br />
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<i>Because he has trampled on the lives of all the witnesses, you are now enabling that, and because he is a liar and it looks like you are now. You cannot keep up this pretense that there is no evidence of his lies. You haven't looked, you say it is opinion while spewing your opinion all over everyone saying they are facts. </i><br />
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At this point I also want to state that it is clear that he is fully supporting Colonel Halt, famous for the ‘Halt Memorandum’, in backing Halt’s ‘slanderous’ attacks against Larry Warren and anyone who supports his account.<br />
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<i>You literally have no idea of the law. It is Libel and the truth is never libel</i><br />
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This is no coincidence.<br />
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THE REAL NATURE OF THE ‘RESEARCHERS’ AND THEIR LINKS TO COLONEL HALT AND NICK POPE<br />
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Now it is at this point that I need to illustrate the nature of the people that both Colonel Halt and Nick Pope are promoting as ‘genuine researchers’ who purport to be simply on a quest for the ‘truth’.<br />
This does not make good reading for them.<br />
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Why? - Because all four of these ‘researchers’ have been involved in the most hideous form of slurs and slander against myself, UFO Truth Magazine and most of all toward Larry Warren.<br />
By way of evidencing this I will give you some examples:<br />
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<i>You glued yourself onto my life and expect to be treated with dignity when you state this is all a fatal attraction thing. The best you have is to make people think I am broken and weird, take my blogs apart, tell me where I am wrong. </i><br />
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Sacha Christie - about me on Facebook: Gary is a fat pig, vagina, liar, conman, fraud, a misogynist fucktard…… and believe me much, much worse has been said by her.<br />
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<i>I said you needed a kick in the vagina when you were crying about how horrible I am. I may have called you a fucktard at some point, I will have meant it too. I have said much much more about you yes, all of it true. You are a misogynistic arrogant bully who is utterly clueless to the facts, it is your opinion that my words are opinion. You can't even see you are all the things you accuse others of. You are vile. You are guilty of hate crimes, you are guilty of Libel and defamation too. I think you are a horrible person and a terrible investigator, you are morally reprehensible and a repugnant human being. That is my opinion of you. </i><br />
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However, for sheer vile content look no further that this about Larry Warren from her.<br />
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<i>Please look at my content of Warren, it is vile because his acts are abhorrent, demonic in fact. Here are some screenshots of the kind of rhetoric you are ignoring while pointing the finger at me. Keep scrolling, I have more to say after this album of poison.</i><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="font-size: 12.8px;">Warren handed my address out to people while suggesting I am a terrorist. In fact in his recent video interview on the sofa he actually calls me the terrorist.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="font-size: 12.8px;">He gave my address to this guy. I did not have his address but he got mine from Warren<br />
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<i><br /></i><i>How is that for sheer hipocrisy?</i><br />
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I think the kind of language used here is truly horrifying yet you and I are expected to regard her as a serious and legitimate UFO researcher?<br />
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<i>I am a UFO witness actually, there were six witnesses to the event and I agree about the horrific language being used by the people who support Warren and Warren himself. </i><br />
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<i>Nope, never asked that of anybody. You keep putting those titles on me so you can take them off as if it is something legitimate you are doing. The fact you have repeated the lies of Warren about me on a tour of radio shows for the sole purpose of debasing me, the consequence is that you are in fact disrgarded in many people eyes as a legitimate researcher now. I never claimed to be professional. Never have, in fact I am sick of telling people I am not a professional anything. I am definitely not a UFO researcher, I do not research anything to do with UFOs. I saw one with friends and I have no idea if it was terrestrial or otherwise, as you say.. End of. </i><br />
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Not me. I find this a disgrace and somewhat unsettling. Now you would have thought such extreme words and behaviour would have alerted Colonel Halt and Nick Pope to the ‘extreme’ nature of her ‘research’ and perhaps thought better on using her and the others involved as a ‘genuine’ source of truthful information on Larry Warren but no, they clearly don’t mind this aspect and have decided to keep using her<br />
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<i>This is all assumption, you are speaking on behalf of other people, you do not read my blogs, you have them cherry picked for you by someone who is happy to carry on enabling Warren and now yourself when the facts are plain to see by anyone who looks at them. </i><br />
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<i>This is one of the things that made me laugh. Are you protecting grown men from a woman swearing? Oh purlease! </i><br />
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‘unsubstantiated allegations’ to maintain the attack on Larry Warren’s credibility and his Capel Green account. This is a disgrace in my opinion.<br />
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<i>I have subtantiated everything with endless examples of Warren in his own words lying. You have not looked at any of them. That way you can carry on the pretense to yourself that I am a mental case and my words have no basis in fact. </i><br />
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David Young about me on Facebook: Gary is a liar, conman, fraud, bastard… to name but a few.<br />
James Welsh about me on Facebook: Gary is a liar, conman, fraud and a blind bullying bastard… to name but a few.<br />
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<i>You are though....... </i><br />
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Alyson Dunlop about me on Facebook: Gary is a disgrace, a dick-tator, a dodgy SOB… to name but a few.<br />
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<i>You are though..... In fact you are much much worse than anything any of us have called you. </i><br />
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I can prove much, much more of their FB ‘trolling’ and their use of vile and disgraceful unsubstantiated comments – by using their OWN WORDS taken from screengrabs from their own respective FB postings that I collated and published over a year ago in the form of a PDF document called ‘Winter is Here’ than anyone can obtain a copy of by simply emailing me at:<br />
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<i>You have a folder of facebook posts of gossip to send people as a PDF. Are you five years old? I have a blog.. anyone can read it any time. If you want to ask me any questions my email address is sacha.ufo@gmail.com Winter is here? LOL, It is "Winter's come" if that is a GOT reference! One thing you should realise Gary is that I don't bend at the knee. </i><br />
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CONFIRMATION THAT CHRISTIE WAS HALT’S SOURCE FOR HIS BOOK<br />
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<i>This was NEVER a secret. I have said it in public many times. Col Halt has included my evidence in his talks with full visuals. </i><br />
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Note: At that time Colonel Halt first made me aware that he had a new source that would discredit Larry Warren completely I did not know who that source was though I did have my suspicions and in due course it was confirmed who that source was – none other that Sacha Christie herself who confirmed this to be true in her own FB postings taken from one of her many FB profile pages.<br />
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<i>Wrong again, I sent him everything myself. I sent him a lot of stuff and still do to this day. The book was also written by John Hanson who is a friend and supporter. This is not news Gary. It did not need any training as a detective to work that out, especially when I have actually stated numerous times I sent Halt and still send him all my findings. </i><br />
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So, there you have it in her own words ‘my bit was about the lies of Larry Warren’.<br />
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<i>Yep... I stand by my words. I take responsibility for all the things I said in the past while fighting Warren's fights for him when he couldn't handle being caught out. I take responsibility for being wrong about him and helping him trample all over everyones lives, especially Adrian Bustinza and John Burroughs who's story he has rewritten as himself. Yes I will cover that in the free ebook I am producing. </i><br />
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Now having proof of her being Halt’s source for the ‘evidence’ against Larry Warren was one thing but I didn’t expect him to admit who is source was himself but he did this when the Director of the Capel Green film emailed him to see if he was willing to be interviewed for the documentary.<br />
In rejecting the offer to take part in the documentary he directed Dion to the ‘evidence’ gathered by Sacha Christie – a clear admission of their association and that she was his source. Thus, we have proof of confirmation two ways that she was the source of the ‘allegations’ against Larry Warren.<br />
In that vein it should be noted that Christie received a copy of the book signed ‘Best Wishes from Nick Pope’.<br />
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<i>It wasn't an admission, there was nothing to admit. Nobody hid anything, why are you getting your Y fronts in a twist over it? It was never a secret. If you were paying attention instead of cherry picking, you would know this. Also this is the bit that really made me laugh. Nobody sent me a book signed! I don't even have a copy of the book in print!!! This is where you fall flat on your face and prove you just make stuff up or believe gossip. I was sent a print of the cover of the book signed by Col Halt with A STICKER on it signed by Nick Pope. You are absolutely wrong wrong wrong. </i><br />
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The behaviour of the four individuals and the backing of their claims by Colonel Halt and Nick Pope is nothing short of a disgrace and show a clear, collective campaign to discredit Larry Warren and anyone who supports his Capel Green account at all costs.<br />
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<i>Actually the truth of the matter is this. Larry Warren is a proven liar and this is a systematic campaign to discredit me, Nick and anyone else who would dare to challenge the narrative of a man who has been caught out in lies for decades, he has even admitted to some of those lies. The other thing is you should listen to the show he did with Tino Magero about one year ago where he makes claims and then in the video with you recently, makes different claims, he never sticks to the same story, something is different in every telling. I am now systematically gathering a lot of those moments and am making a video collage of Warren telling those different events. I have made numerous blogs doing the same thing. It is all his own words, his facebook posts, forum posts, videos, lectures, radio shows, youtube streams. It is all HIM speaking. We have absolute evidence of forgery too. </i><br />
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The fact that I feel the need to respond to Nick’s email represents a pretty sad day for Ufology as it clearly shows to me that not enough genuine researchers are doing their own ‘due diligence’ with regards to material submitted to them by the likes of Nick Pope and Colonel Halt.<br />
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<i>By the likes of a distinguished military Colonel, because the likes of a failed USAF airman and officer who policed trains is a much higher standard of personage. It is indeed a sad day for ufology and humanity when someone like you can just railroad people for your own gain. I dearly hope there are consequences for you one day. Legal ones. If I was wealthy you would already be suffering those consequences. I have been offered money to take you to court but I have refused. I know I can prove Warren is a liar and I already have. Nothing he says can be trusted and since you have taken this bombastic approach to it all and have tried to destroy what you think, I think is my professional reputation, that makes you the problem. I care about the truth, not reputation. </i><br />
<i><br /></i><i>This was NEVER about YOU Gary Heseltine, it was NEVER about Capel Green. This is about something that happened in MY LIFE by someone who you wanted very little to do with until this all kicked off. When all his encouraged bullies fell away, you stepped in and now you cry because you don't feel like this situation is fair. Well my advice to you is next time you see a situation between two people, don't try and monopolise it. Keep your nose out of it. It is nothing to do with you. </i><br />
<i><br /></i><i>Capel Green is a con. If you had made it about the area and the other people you have dragged into this mess, then nobody would have the slightest issue with you or the film. </i><br />
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To blindly ‘accept’ allegations of such a serious nature ‘without question’ does not reflect well on some of those people who are regarded by many as senior UFO researchers.<br />
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<i>YOU are the person who is blindly accepting allegations and lies. Go through my research and point by point tell me where I am wrong rather than gossiping. I dare you. Read Open Letter to Gary Heseltine. Read Question Time for Gary Heseltine. Read the auction items and auction sales blogs. Read the blog Duane wrote. </i><br />
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<a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2018/02/open-letter-to-gary-heseltine.html">Open Letter to Gary Heseltine</a><br />
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<a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2019/02/question-time-for-gary-heseltine.html">Question Time for Gary Heseltine</a><br />
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GARY HESELTINE - December 2018<br />
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SACHA CHRISTIE Februry 2019.<br />
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<i>Then there is this. You said Dave has qualifications in IT. No he doesn't. He is, and has been, a telecoms engineer for 27 years, prior to that he was a fully qualified tool maker. Where do you get your information from? Why do you say these things as if you KNOW? </i><br />
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<i>Nobody did anything to any of those photos, they are in situ, on Dave's laptop that Larry used, he didn't have one of his own, he uploaded them. The information states these are Larry's pics 2011. It is IMPOSSIBLE to upload/download something then change the date in properties. You really did show yourself up there. </i><br />
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<i>So here you are mentioning our home again and telling people we manipulated the images and have uploaded them onto the net saying Warren did it. Blatantly not, those EXACT IMAGES are on his current Facebook page, HE uploaded them to his new account after his last one was allegedly hacked. Something you accused us of!!! WHY would we do that? Why wouldn't we go through his profile with a fine toothed comb tracing the times and dates of uploads? He screamed about his Facebook page being hacked, but the thing is Gary, all you have to do to get your profile back is prove to Facebook who you are and they reset the password. WHY didn't he do that? The ONLY person that benefitted was Warren himself because it hid all of his past behaviour and lies. </i><br />
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<i>Here is the latest liathon by Gary Heseltine as he enables the Larry Warren Fraud making him fully complicit. He states he has seen photos of Warren at Ground Zero, in his capacity as an expert in the steel industry. Fully complicit in fraud. </i><br />
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I was sent this screenshot today... Gary Heseltine is attacking Phil Mantle for 'liking' a post on the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/Rendleshamufo/" target="_blank">Rendlesham UFO Group</a>. He posted this on his page. </div>
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"ONLINE PERSONAL VERBAL ABUSE: There is one thing that sadly the creation of social media has unleased on the world and that is the emergence of the troll phenomena. People who post verbal personal abuse at others when they disagree with the other person's viewpoint. These people should be universally condemned by ordinary decent human beings and FB is clearly failing those that use its platform. These people need to be policed by the FB platform. People have committed suicide, teenagers bulled by online abuse on the many forms of social media that now dominate the modern world. People need to step up and openly condemn those that would post personal abusive verbal messages. I don't mind if people have different opinions to me but I will not accept those that dish out personal verbal abuse. FB needs to get a grip and work with the police to bring genuine criminal legislation to pass. They are five years behind properly policing their own platform. So, it is in that context that I post the following image because ANYONE who supports online verbal abuse either directly or indirectly with the trolls on any subject is no friend of mine on this platform. For over two years I have been trolled almost daily with verbal personal abuse by a small number of people (around 50) on FB simply because I dared to support Larry Warren, the original military whistleblower of the Rendlesham Forest UFO incident from late December 1980. As a result they attack UFO Truth Magazine and over the last year anything connected with the upcoming release of the RFI themed documentary Capel Green. Now I can take this abuse but many people, young people in particular who endure such abuse may crumble and succumb to the constant hate that they receive. People need to realise that online personal verbal abuse is WRONG in a civilised society and should condemn all forms of this vile personal abuse rather than sit on the fence, often fearful that they too will become a target for these online abusers. People around the world need to wake up and come together to make a stand against those that would verbally abuse others. They do not realise that by engaging in dialogue with these online abusers that indirectly they are giving them a message saying to them it's OK and so they continue. I am telling you that It is not OK for people to verbally abuse others and to ignore this trend we do so at our peril. Like I said above those that interact with trolls are no friends of mine and will be unfriended on this platform forthwith. GH."</div>
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This is exactly what Nigel Mortimer did. "If you are friends of theirs I am deleting you". Also ironic he should mention suicide when Warren's intention was to have me kill myself or to have me murdered. Handing out my home address while people made constant threats, especially Warren. You now choose to be concerned about bullying? YOU are the bully now. Warren has vanished from Facebook, so YOU are the bully.<br />
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You should have kept your nose out of it all. This was about Warren and I challengerd HIM. YOU decided to make this your business a long time after I started revealing the evidence. Now you are calling others the bully! This is MY LIFE and YOU made it YOUR business when it had absolutely NOTHING to do with you!!! YOU attacked me and started spreading LIES about my mental health, telling people I am a heroin addict and I abuse my children and live in filth!! You say I LOVE him and moved him in to have an affair with him!! You are insane.<br />
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All you have done Gary Heseltine is finger point at people for swearing and asking reasonable questions, all while calling them trolls. Anyone who asks a question is a troll. The reason is simple, the questions being asked, they reveal the lies. Every time Warren is asked a question he gives a different answer. Every time you ask questions the answers are accepted without checking them. You accept anything Warren says. </div>
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It is interesting to see that in the show Tino did with Warren, Warren gives certain answers then months later when you Gary, did the Facebook video, the answers change! </div>
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Below: Tino asks Warren the questions we have been asking, apart from the John Lennon Photo and the Hells Angels. Warren tells more lies on top of already debunked lies. Tino's Question Time;</div>
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For the latest video of Warren and Heseltine, click <a href="https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=824721067870540&id=100009979631199" target="_blank">this exit link (takes you to Warren's public facebhook post)</a></div>
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Come on GH Stop avoiding the DIFFICULT questions. </div>
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The video you did the other day only proved that Warren knew Peter's sister.</div>
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What about Adrian saying he left Warren after taking cameras off people and then left him there and went off with Halt? Why doesn't he tell the same story as Warren? Why does Warren say they were together until 4.30am? According to Warren they are together all night and have one hell of an adventure. </div>
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Why does Adrian say he was debriefed alone and was told he had to say it was the lighthouse and if they didn't bullets are cheap. Warren goes on about a huge epic debriefing where they were told all about ufo's and shown classified footage and had their security clearance upgraded. Why doesn't Adrian say that??? I have seen Warren deny this ever took place, at the MUFON 2010 conference he states he NEVER said any of that, yet it is his book!!! </div>
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In fact there are so many clips of him contradicting himself, I put together two hours of him doing that and read out the chapter in HIS BOOK where he tells everyone what went on in the underground base with the alien talking to him telepathically. The book that the publisher discontinued publishing because of lies. A book Warren said He asked to be pulled too. Well it was suspended in October, in November Warren said pull it too, AFTER it was suspended. He now says he asked for the book to be pulled, but when someone asked Capel Green (the Facebook page) if Warren still stood by his book, the answer was 100% YES. So he stands by the underground base bit then? Skip to one minute in in the video below.</div>
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I have to ask Gary Heseltine to address these things;</div>
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Duane Carleton outed Warren as a fraud with his professional analysis of the jacklet Warren gave him that turned out to be a forgery. What about Duane Gary?<br />
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Why does he say he Co-Signed Metallica? Michael Alago signed them.</div>
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What about the A10 photo? What about the fact that is fake and was uploaded by himself onto his facebook. What about the fact you can clearly see him in the reflection. </div>
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What about the Hells Angels? They went to his home after seeing him flash unearned patches on a live YouTube stream and took them from him. That is when you started doing radio shows telling people I love him and flipped because I couldn't have him! Is that the best you have got? That is your EVIDENCE. As a police officer you would or rather SHOULD know that is hearsay, in the real world we call that A LIE. Just a thought, did you think that had something to do with me? I even have Hells Angels under control with my mind powers? </div>
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Just a note to let you know the stamp on the flyers PETER gave Warren have the words "From the estate of Helen Wheels" that estate did not exist until AFTER she died. That is what an estate is. Here is the definition;</div>
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" After someone dies, someone (called the deceased person's 'executor' or 'administrator') must deal with their money and property (the deceased person's 'estate'). They need to pay the deceased person's taxes and debts, and distribute his or her money and property to the people entitled to it."</div>
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Helen's friend did NOT take that flyer around for it to be signed and what the hell happened to Andy Warhol? How come he forgot how to spell Campbell's on the can of soup he allegedly drew, but spelled it CAMBELLS??? Likely that Audrey Hepburn would be there too? No.</div>
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Then there is this show, and it was a show. You squirm and cringe, everyone looks like they want to tell him to shut the hell up rather than being impressed by his fascinating and colourful life. It is actually both hilarious and utterly outrageous. PA for the beach boys.... Wow! aged 18!<br />
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He says in your video Gary that he forced himself backstage and that is how he got into the biz. We know this is true because of Duane Carleton's revelations of him. He knew Warren way back in the mid 90's when Warren forced himself backstage and got booted out. So why does he tell Tino that he left the USAF and went straight into Broadcasting School and that his father got him the loan because he didn't get in on his qualifications from school and that's for sure. But wait... He said in a Facebook video that Peter made the mistake in their book. </div>
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He reckons he was ARTIST COORDINATOR for the huge Madison Square Gardens 40th birthday party for Atlantic Records. Are you kidding?? Coordinating the bands???? He then states he was the tour publicist and the following night he was at a gig in NYC where Stevie Ray Vaughan and Robert Plant played, only they played in Connecticut not NYC.</div>
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A simple mistake I suppose, after all it was 1988. Funny then that he says he had the SRV jacket signed by SRV in 1986 at the same gig. Oops, it wasn't 1986 as it says on the signed jacket next to the proven to be forged signature on the back of it Warren is wearing in the photos, so he had the jacket signed by SRV then wore it for two years even though they were very good friends? But it was signed at that gig in '86 that didn't happen until '88.<br />
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He can't keep his facts straight because they are not facts. Below is the entire concert video of the bands who Larry organised in his capacity as Artist Coordinator for the Atlantic Records 40th Birthday party at Madison Square Gardens in 1988. He was also Tour Publicist for Robert Plant and Stevie Ray Vaughan and every band ever. </div>
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There is a question you keep asking GH... Why haven't the police arrested him? We keep asking the same question! Well I should think it has a lot to do with the fact he took a police helmet to ground zero from our local constabulary because HE HAS FAMILY IN THE FORCE. Saying someone is innocent because they haven't been charged is rubbish. You ought to know that as an ex detective.<br />
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Now I have a photo of him with the helmet and a copy of the video and other posts stating this, I can send that to my local MP and inform them of corruption can't I. The fact you are an ex transport police officer who runs a forum for police officers who see UFO's might also have something to do with it.</div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Larry Warren gifts a Police Helmet from Merseyside Police who refused to do anything when my life was being threatened and my home adress passed around while he called me a terrorist and Antifa. </td></tr>
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Also he said he was at Ground Zero because of his experience in the steel industry... To be in the pit you had to be there in an official capacity. When did he gain experience in the steel industry? He told Tino he did it at school FOR A WEEK and found it wasn't for him, so how was he there as an official advisor?<br />
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What was his job as a representative of the steel industry? Was he examining the remains for the investigation? Then he had to write reports yes? Use a computer? Have a significant education and then job experience?<br />
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Why does the photo show him as a tourist? What was the photo of the remains of the towers? Did he say he took that himself,? You didn't state on the video, you just showed it. The image you showed was a cropped version of a larger photo and can be found on google with a simple google search, the colour has been adjusted but it is the same photo.</div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Unclear if Warren is suggesting he took this himself, it was added to last weeks video without any narrative or caption. Check for yourself with a reverse image search, this is a google image.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Gary Heseltine says he has seen a few of the photos. These are it. We have checked with everyone. The Fire Chief who was actually there, who does not want to get involved says he was not there. He isn't on a single register or public photo and there are many. Everyone who assisted was honoured. Warren was not honoured in any of those registers. </td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Here he say's his brother was a part of the investigation but says his brother was almost killed by the attacks. Now his brother is CIA?</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Warren reckons he visited GZ four times between October and March 2001. In that time machine he had to visit John Lennon I suppose?<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">It was May Pang that revealed the sketch to be fake. I just repeated the news. I didn't say he was a forger until this happened. I am not the only person to be saying these things. I have heard that the buyer is now suing Warren.</td></tr>
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This is just a few of the issues and questions. It seems to us all that you are now actively engaging in a cover up of Warren's lies Gary. You are telling them with him. You are backing his lies up. You complain about other people swearing, yet Warren is the most abusive and foul mouthed person I have known in my life, which is saying something because I worked on a construction site for many years and have heard it all. </div>
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<span style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif;"><span style="background-color: white; font-size: 14px;">After your video you wrote a post on your facebook page accusing ME or DAVE of creating fake photos to spread around, ypu don't mention us by name, you are too much of a coward to do that. What is so funny about that is that all the photos were downloaded from Warren's own Facebook page! </span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif;"><span style="background-color: white; font-size: 14px;">So I or Dave have manipulated images that Warren then put on his own Facebook profile as real? What evidence do you have of that Gary? For someone who professes to be a shit hot detective you are running on a lot of hearsay. Oh sorry, I swore. I hope it doesn't cause any satellites to fall out of the sky, after all, nobody swears do they? It affects your very delicate sensibilities and you finger point like a little child in a playground to the playground monitor. If you really only have that against us, I would give up if I were you. Where is the EVIDENCE of my lies? </span></span></div>
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<span style="color: #1d2129; font-family: "helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif;"><span style="background-color: white; font-size: 14px;">Plenty for you to answer there Gary, but I know you won't ask him any of the questions above. You will continue to exact this total fraud on the UFO community, you will continue to attack everyone in British Ufology over an American, you don't have any support here now. We know you haven't been supported because you shouted your head off at a few people at the Awakening conference in Manchester, June 2018. You shouted at them in front of everyone because they didn't support you when you privately asked them all to support you when you sent a collage of my facebook posts where I swore. You are a misogynist and a bully. You even publicly named and shamed a woman for cancelling her subscription to UFO Truth (decay) Magazine. </span></span></div>
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<b><u>The Larry Warren Fraud</u></b><br />
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At the start of all this, I had nothing apart from my word that something was very wrong with the narrative of Larry Warren. I had to put my entire life out there to prove to you all that he is not telling the truth. Eventually people started seeing the truth and tried to help me uncover the very many problems with his narrative(s). It was truly amazing to me how many people came forward privately to help. Nobody wanted to be on the receiving end of the internets vitriol and so they stayed out of the limelight. I need to thank all of you for your contributions. Every single one of them, including sharing and spreading the word. It was worth it.....<br />
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On the 19th of April 2018 I received a message from someone that changed everything. It actually changed nothing at all, but everything at the same time, I just couldn't talk about it. We have tried many different ways to obtain proof, some actual evidence. People were tempted to risk buying something of his and then having it analysed, but nobody quite dare put that much money on the line and why should they? The police should be investigating this, not me and the others.<br />
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We tried to force him into a corner to have his military records analysed but instead of taking us up on the offer, he spent thousands of pounds lying to a solicitor to have us all silenced. He is a public figure, making public statements and wants to sue the public when they question what he calls evidence. His deciet was shown to the solicitor and he was dropped by them. If Warren wants to take any of us to court he has to represent himself.<br />
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However, the truth is never libel and the last place he wants this is in front of a judge, but that is exactly where I want it. He has made many threats to take us to court and still lies that he has done. No such thing has happened, but in doing this, the hope is that one day that will happen, just because it hasn't yet does not mean that he is innocent as Gary Heseltine keeps saying. He says that the title Conman means convicted. No Gary, it means confidence man or confidence trickster.<br />
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<b><u>Miracles Do Happen</u></b><br />
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We tried all we could but we didn't have anything solid. We needed physical evidence, we needed a victim, someone who has bought something and found out it was not genuine. Well we didn't get a victim, although there are many, all we could hope for was that someone will see these blogs and come forward. I know it happens... Because it happened last year. Contrary? Nope.<br />
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On the 19th of April 2018 I got a message from one of Larry Warren's old friends. They knew each other from 1993 when Warren lived in Rutland, Vermont, to around 1999/2000 when Warren moved to England.<br />
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"Hello. Just this morning a friend of mine sent me a link from Nick Pope talking about the Larry Warren Fraud. It also had a link to a lengthy post from Peter Robbins. I would like to thank you for uncovering Larry the con man. I knew him when he lived in Rutland, VT in the early/mid '90's. I am aware of many fraudulent stories, deceptions and lies I was able to catch him in while he was here. I also have physical proof of his bad forgeries. I was able to stop a few of his memorabilia sales. There are too many stories for me to go into here. If you ever wanted the info, I would be more than happy to provide it. When my wife and I figured out he was full of crap he bad mouthed us and made us out to be the bad guys. I am happy to see the rest of the world is catching on to him. Thank you".<br />
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<b><u>Behind The Scenes</u></b><br />
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Duane and I have been talking since this time while saying nothing in public. The usual tactic is for them to start trying to destroy anyone challenging Warren's narrative. Not wanting to be embroiled in a spat, Duane has spent these past months creating two files of evidence against Larry Warren who lives here in Liverpool. Not only does he have an actual item of memorabilia, he has letters of authentication and also a personal letter from Warren to Duane, who like myself, was his friend until he found out he was lying about who he knew and what he did for a living.<br />
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<b><u>If at First You Don't Succeed...</u></b><br />
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Those of you who have followed this investigation will know that we were defeated in trying to have his military records examined and compared with his own handwriting. What we needed were actual handwriting samples, not copies of handwriting. Analysts need the original pieces. Warren was unwilling to do this even though we offered to pay for it and have him choose the analyst. We were thwarted then, but not now.<br />
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Here is the evidence discussed in my show, Paranormal Mysteries on ANW, on Sunday 14th January 2019. I will embed the show when it is uploaded to YouTube. This show will be repeated Weds 17th Jan at 8pm GMT and Friday 9am GMT. Overseas listeners will need to disguise your IP address to make it appear as if you are in the UK due to the music licensing laws the network is bound to. An app called HOLA will do that for you. Hola download page.<br />
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<b><u>Time Will Tell</u></b><br />
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Duane Carleton/Larry Warren timeline:<br />
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March 9 – Tuesday – DC meets Larry Warren at Marcia B’s Roadhouse while playing the members of Soul Kitchen in Rutland, VT Larry tells DC that he used to work for SRV.<br />
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March 12 – Wednesday – Larry attends a Tin Pan Alley show at Paco’s in Rutland, VT. DC and Larry go to breakfast after at Clem’s Country Kitchen<br />
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March 25 – Thursday – Larry attends a show w/ The Heavily Bros at Marcia B’s Roadhouse in Rutland, VT. Larry gives DC the leather jacket and with the crown pin on it and tells DC that the jacket was signed by SRV and the pin was the one off SRV’s hat. Larry sang along with XXXX and DC on CSN’s “Long Time”<br />
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March 26 – Friday – Larry attends a Tin Pan Alley show at Marcia B’s Roadhouse that was a benefit.<br />
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May 22 – Saturday – Larry writes and mails a letter to DC<br />
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June 23 – Wednesday – Larry attends a show at Macleod’s Compass Rose in Rutland, VT w/ DC,<br />
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June 25 – Friday – June 26 – Saturday – Larry attends a Tin Pan Alley show at Gurey’s in Manchester, VT. Julie attends the Friday gig. On Saturday Larry acts as manager and books another gig there.<br />
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June 27 – Sunday – Ben and Jerry’s festival in Sugarbush, VT. Larry talks us onto the tour bus with The Band and then takes me into Buddy Guy’s trailer. Buddy seems wary. We end up onstage for the show.<br />
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July 4 – Sunday – Classic Rockfest in Stratton, VT. Larry talks DC and himself backstage at a show featuring The Band, Leon Russell and Johnny Winter<br />
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July 15 – Thursday – Larry attends a show with the Heavily Bros. At Macleod’s Compass Rose in Rutland, VT. He gets into an altercation with someone named Charlie.<br />
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July 22 – Thursday – Larry attends a show with The Heavily Bros. At Macleod’s Compass Rose in Rutland, VT. He again sings along with “Dear Prudence”.<br />
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August 7 – Saturday – Larry attempts to take a large group of people from Rutland into a Blues Festival featuring B.B. King at Stratton Mountain, VT. He is drunk before the group leaves Rutland. He is stopped backstage with the group and taken to an office where he is asked who he is. He says he is the tour publicist. They inform him there isn’t one. We are told to buy tickets or leave. I am very angry with Larry as he had convinced me to sell my inside tickets because I wouldn’t need them. We have words in front of the group and part ways.<br />
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August 13, 14 – Friday, Saturday – Larry attends shows at Gurey’s in Manchester, VT I recall that he acted strangely or suspiciously and drunkenly and on the way home showed me a gun.<br />
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January 20 – Thursday – Larry attends a show with The Heavily Bros. At Macleod’s Compass Rose in Rutland, VT and is taking pictures.<br />
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February 3 – Thursday – Larry attends a show with The Heavily Bros. At Macleod’s Compass Rose in Rutland, VT. He has befriended a local keyboard player and been telling him he would make him famous. I end up in a huge argument with the keyboard player as he tells me that I’m a loser and Larry’s going to make him famous.<br />
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June 2 – Thursday – Larry attends a show with The Sandra Wright Band at The House of Blues in Cambridge, MA with girlfriend that my wife and I introduced him to.<br />
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July 2 – Saturday - Larry attends a show at Macleod’s Compass Rose in Rutland VT. Larry gives me a SRV Backstage Pass and makes some sort of offer to XXXX.<br />
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July 28 – Thursday – Larry attends a show with The Heavily Bros. At Macleod’s Compass Rose and give me pictures and shirts. I am unsure as to the specifics of this and suspect that it is a Charlie’s Guitar Shop shirt and pictures of one of SRV’s strats at The Hard Rock and/or signed SRV photos which he did give me also.<br />
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August 10 – Wednesday – Larry attends a show with The Sandra Wright Band at Manny’s Car Wash in New York City, NY. He may have taken photos of us and I have a note that he behaved.<br />
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<b><u>The Personal, Handwritten Letter</u></b><br />
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After first meeting Larry he went to CA (allegedly). This is where he wrote me a letter from prior to his return to Rutland, VT. When I first met him, he was living with morning WJJR DJ Nanci Gordon. I actually went to her apartment with him on one or two occasions. It was in her apartment that he showed me pictures of an alleged alien surrounded in mist. It may have also been at her apartment that he showed me his alleged John Lennon glasses and army jacket. He told me that he had dated May Pang and that she had given him herpes that she got from John Lennon. At some point he stayed with my wife and I in our trailer out in the country for a few days. He gave me an alleged autographed photo of SRV that he had multiple copies of and gave the same signed photo to other people too. He gave me a Crybaby Fuzz Wah pedal that he alleged to have belonged to SRV along with a letter of authenticity alleged to have been from SRV guitar tech Rene Martinez. He gave me an alleged SRV and Double Trouble signed promo photo and an SRV backstage pass. Also, he gave me a Charlie’s Guitar Shop shirt and a photo that he took of one of SRV’s guitars hanging in a Hard Rock Café. He moved in with a friend of mine, David Drake, above a bar in Rutland, VT. My friend was an artist/painter. Larry was living there when he tried to take so many people into the Blues Festival in Stratton, VT. He later moved in with a bartender at Macleod’s Compass Rose named Jim Moorehead. So, as a inventory of things Larry gave me related to SRV and connected to Larry knowing me:<br />
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A leather jacket he said that was his and that SRV signed. This has been declared a forgery by JSA Authenticators. SRV’s name is misspelled<br />
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A crown shaped pin that he alleged had belonged to SRV and which had adorned his hat<br />
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A handwritten letter from Larry claiming that he would make me famous and relaying that he would send me a picture from before SRV signed it (either the picture or the jacket signing was supposed to have happened during SRV’s tour with Robert Plant which occurred in 1988 (the jacket is dated 1986).<br />
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A SRV backstage pass<br />
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A photo of a Fender Stratocaster that belonged to SRV hanging in a Hard Rock Café<br />
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A ‘70’s Crybaby Fuzz Wah guitar effects pedal that he claimed had belonged to SRV<br />
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A letter of authenticity for the Crybaby that was alleged to have been handwritten by Rene Martinez (SRV guitar tech) The handwriting is very similar to Larry’s handwriting<br />
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A promo photo of SRV and Double Trouble alleged to have been signed by the entire band. All of their handwriting is the same and it is clearly very similar to Larry’s handwriting.<br />
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A photograph of SRV and Double Trouble backstage allegedly signed by SRV. Also, similar to Larry’s handwriting and also SRV’s name misspelled.<br />
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A t-shirt from Charlie’s Guitar Shop in Texas.<br />
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<b><u>The Jacket & Hat Pin</u></b><br />
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The SRV Signed Leather Jacket:<br />
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I was given this jacket by Larry Warren on March 25th, 1993. This was sixteen days after I had met him in Rutland, VT. The jacket has a crown shaped pin on it that Larry claimed had been the one attached to Stevie Ray Vaughan’s hat. It has an autograph in black magic marker across the back that says “To Larry, Guar”un”teed Stevie Ray Vaughn”. NYC 1986<br />
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I can prove that I met him on March 9, 1993 as I have a date book from 1993 that I recorded things that happened at my gigs as a journal. I wrote on that day that I “met Larry Warren”. </div>
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<b><u>The Personal Letter</u></b><br />
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I can further prove that I definitely knew Larry as on May 22, 1993 he wrote me a handwritten friendly personal letter when he was allegedly in CA. In this letter he not only praises my musical skills but states that he will use his contacts in the music business and guide me to a major music career. He specifically mentions that he is going to send me a photograph of SRV and (presumably Larry wearing) the jacket before it was signed during the first tour SRV did with Robert Plant. I never received the photo but there is a photo of him found online appearing to be photoshopped next to SRV where he is wearing the jacket.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Warren wearing the jacket in a very obviously faked photograph, awkwardly holding the guitar.</td></tr>
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<b><u>Official & Professional Authentification Analysis</u></b><br />
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On October 31, 2018 I sent the jacket to JSA Authentication and it was determined that the jacket is a forgery:<br />
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"I went over this item again with the owner of the company after he returned from his trip. For extra confirmation, I also sent the jacket around to a few other consultants, just for additional feedback regarding the signature. Everyone else I sent the signed jacket too also came back negative (a total of 9 authenticators and consultants took a look at this item, and none of them were in favor of the autograph).<br />
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"This is pretty far off from our known, valid examples of SRV's autograph. There are several inconsistencies with letter formations throughout this entire example. Whoever signed this certainly gave it their best college try, but we do not believe this to be a valid example of SRV's autograph"<br />
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Jackie Thomas / Customer Service Manage<br />
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James Spence Authentication, LLC<br />
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<b><u>Extra Clarification</u></b><br />
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Just to clarify before we move on. A total of TEN authenticators looked at this jacket, ALL of them deemed it to be a FORGERY. We KNOW this was Warren's jacket because he is wearing it in all the forged photgraphs and mentions giving it to Duane in the personal letter written by Larry Warren. This PROVES Larry Warren forges memorabilia.<br />
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Unfortunately and fortunately, Duane did not exchange money with Warren for the Jacket, the Cry Baby Wah Wah peddle or any items mentioned by Duane. If he had, this would be a legal matter now because we would have a sales victim. Warren gave these items to Duane to reel him in with flattery. Only16 days had passed between Warren and Duane meeting at that fateful gig, yet he had given him what would be priceless belongings, had they been genuine that is.<br />
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I asked if the last reason was due to the word guaranteed being broken into three pieces: Guar”un”teed and that it was something that SRV never did and they said yes. However, I have located someone who has done that before. Larry did it in the handwritten letter he sent me where he wrote “At-tee-tude”.<br />
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I feel that it is safe to say that since Larry clearly states SRV signed the jacket he gave me and it has been proven to be a forgery and there are clear similarities between the writing on the jacket and Larry’s own handwriting as well as his use of the unique habit of breaking words into three pieces, that one can conclude that Larry forged the jacket.<br />
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Another problem is with Larry’s claim that there is a photo of him wearing it with SRV before it was signed on tour with Robert Plant. SRV toured with Robert Plant for the Non Stop Go Tour in 1988…not 1986 when the jacket is dated.<br />
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In fact, a further issue is that Stevie’s last name is spelled wrong, Vaughn rather than the correct spelling of Vaughan. Larry also gave me a photo of SRV and his band Double Trouble that also has the same misspelling of Stevie Ray’s last name.<br />
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Larry also gave me a promo photo (above) of Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble he alleged to have been signed by all members of the band. In this shot, the same misspelling of Vaughan appears and all of the band members appear to have the same handwriting.</div>
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Spelling is something we will look at more, but at this point we have a handwritten letter from Larry Warren stating that his jacket was signed by SRV and given to me. We have SRV’s name misspelled on the jacket and the same misspelling on another item given to me by Larry and told that SRV signed it. It seems ridiculous for someone to believe that SRV didn’t know how to spell his own name but we will see that Larry is a very, very poor speller.</div>
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Of note here is that it is dated 7/3/90. This the date of a show that Stevie Ray Vaughan played at The Champlain Valley Fairgrounds in Essex Junction, VT. I am very familiar with this show because my wife and I attended it and ended up down in the front where we had a very good view of the stage. The show was a double bill with Joe Cocker opening for SRV. I still have the ticket stubs:</div>
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We will discuss this show more as we look at the allegedly owned and signed Stevie Ray Vaughan Fender Stratocaster that has been put up for auction several times. </div>
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When I first met Larry in 1993, he was already showing people things that he alleged to have been owned, played, worn or signed by a number of celebrities. This included:</div>
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A pair of glasses alleged to have been owned and worn by John Lennon</div>
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An Alembic bass alleged to have been owned by John Entwistle</div>
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Any number of SRV signed photos</div>
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Drawings alleged to have been drawn by John Lennon</div>
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A painted acoustic guitar alleged to have been signed by The Grateful Dead that was auctioned off and the auction book was used around Rutland as proof of it’s authenticity</div>
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A pickguard alleged to have been signed by Eric Clapton</div>
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A photo of and alleged to be signed by Eric Clapton</div>
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A Jackson bass alleged to have been signed by John Entwistle</div>
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A copy of Pink Floyd “Meddle” alleged to have been signed by Roger Waters</div>
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An album of and alleged to be signed by all members of The Grateful Dead</div>
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A 1967 Fender Stratocaster that he alleged had been Jimi Hendrix</div>
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This item is one that bears scrutiny. I personally saw this guitar up close and in person. Larry told me that it had belonged to Jimi and since I was a big Jimi fan it was of interest to me. I had a book that listed a number of known Jimi owned and used guitars, amps and pedals listed by serial numbers and receipts. I informed him that the guitar was not one known to have been owned by Jimi according to the book. </div>
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Larry had also given me a photo of a signed and owned Stevie Ray Vaughan guitar that was hanging in a Hard Rock Café</div>
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In 1995 a guitar alleged to have been owned and signed by Stevie Ray Vaughan was auctioned off by Christie’s. </div>
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One can plainly see that the autograph is done in the same color ink and in the same location as the one hanging in the Hard Rock Café. They are both sunburst finish guitars also. However, the one auctioned off at Christie’s has a misspelled (Vaughn) autograph:</div>
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It was alleged to have been given to Larry Warren directly by Stevie Ray Vaughan at the 7/3/1990 concert at The Champlain Valley Fairgrounds in Essex Junction, VT…the very show I attended. Here is the Letter of authenticity that was presented as proof of its provenance that is alleged to be in Stevie Ray’s own handwriting:</div>
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This auction was completed and then later contested. The following is the text from a page on a website that is run by the purchaser of this guitar back in 1995. This page has since been taken down but it directly calls out Larry as the seller of a forged guitar:</div>
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"This guitar was first sold by Christie's auction house in 1995, having been consigned on behalf of Larry Warren, an author of a book regarding his encounter with an allegedly alien spacecraft in a forest in the UK. Larry Warren claimed to have obtained the guitar directly from Stevie Ray Vaughan.</div>
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1. There is no photographic proof that Stevie Ray Vaughan ever touched this guitar or one similarly customized in appearance.</div>
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2. A review of credible equipment inventories and appraisals created by or on behalf of Stevie Ray Vaughan reveals no evidence that he ever owned this guitar.</div>
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3. The photocopy of a letter allegedly penned by Vaughan does not appear to me to be his handwriting. In my opinion someone merely copied his tendency to write in all caps and make his E's like backwards 3's. A forensic handwriting specialist (not a common for-hire "authenticator") should examine the document.</div>
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4. Singer Paul Ray of the Cobras showed the letter to Jimmie Vaughan who told him the letter was probably not Stevie's handwriting.</div>
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5. The statement in the letter is that Stevie acquired the guitar from singer Paul Ray of the Cobras. Paul Ray denied this in writing in 1997.</div>
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6. The letter allegedly in Stevie's handwriting appears to have been altered since 1995 in that the name "Paul Ray" has been somewhat obscured, while in 1995 it was as clear as all the other writing. If altered, it was done after Paul Ray revealed in writing that the statement about him was completely false.</div>
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7. The letter allegedly in Stevie's handwriting refers to having played the guitar on stage on July 3, 1990, in Vermont. In researching this guitar, Warren made repeated assurances to me in 1995-96 that the guitar had been played for two songs on stage by Vaughan on that night, and that he knew photos had been taken to prove it. He promised to obtain and provide the photos to me. In 1997 Warren finally admitted to me on the phone that Stevie did NOT play the guitar that night, and there would never be any photographic proof. Thus, the two primary verifiable facts in the letter have been proven false.</div>
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8. If Stevie had used the guitar on stage, René Martinez, Stevie's guitar tech, would have known, but René told me he had never seen this guitar.</div>
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9. A note that originally circulated as provenance with the guitar in 1995 was allegedly written by René Martinez, but he told me he did not write the note. After Martinez denied any knowledge of the guitar, the note has apparently disappeared.</div>
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10. The handwritten note does not appear to match a sample of René Martinez' handwriting that is in my possession.</div>
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11. In 1995 the inside of the neck cavity bore a piece of tape with "R. Martinez" written on it, implying that René Martinez had worked on the guitar or set it up for playing on stage. Martinez told me had had never worked on this guitar and had not placed the tape there.</div>
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12. A note accompanying the 1995 sale "witnessed" the transfer of the guitar from Stevie to Larry Warren, and had two signatures in addition to Warren's. That note also seems to have disappeared since 1997. Warren could not provide me with any contact information for the first "witness," Mike Howe. Whether that person exists or was a made-up name by a forger is unknown.</div>
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13. When contacted, the other "witness," Pete Jones, refused to verify the facts to me. When contacted by Christie's auction house, Jones apparently did not provide any credible evidence that Stevie Ray Vaughan had owned or given the guitar to Larry Warren, because Christie's cancelled the sale.</div>
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14. The note now accompanying the guitar, allegedly written by Cesar Diaz (now deceased) is dated 1999, four years after the guitar was originally sold. Even if Diaz examined or set up a guitar for some unidentified person in 1999, there is nothing in the receipt that suggests, much less proves, the ownership history of the guitar.</div>
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15. The note allegedly from Cesar Diaz appears to have had the customer's name removed and then the page photocopied to help conceal the alteration. (I have not personally examined this note.)</div>
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16. The last "9" in the date of the Diaz note does not look like the other 9's. Did someone change the date to make it more difficult to trace the origin of the note?</div>
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17. The note allegedly from Cesar Diaz does not refer to any guitar by serial number or other identifying characteristic, and could have been for repair to any of the thousands of Stevie Ray Vaughan tribute Stratocasters made by Fender since 1992.</div>
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18. Cesar Diaz worked on amplifiers for Stevie Ray Vaughan. Guitars were tended by René Martinez.</div>
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19. A Lyra guitar originating from Larry Warren was sold by a different auction house with a very similar handwritten letter attributed to Stevie Ray Vaughan. The guitar was advertised with a photograph of Stevie holding a Danelectro guitar, with the Lyra guitar leaning against his chair or leg. The original, published photograph does not have the second guitar in the photo!</div>
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20. A black hat bearing a signature similar to the one on the Fender "Cobras" guitar was sold at another auction in the 1990's. After the auction it was determined that it had been made (and therefore signed by a forger) AFTER Stevie died, and the sale was rescinded. I was told the hat originated from Larry Warren.</div>
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21. I am not aware of any instance of Stevie Ray Vaughan giving away a valuable guitar such as this one, much less writing a note saying, "You have my permission to sell this guitar."</div>
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22. In 1997, after being presented with some of this information, Christie's rescinded the auction sale of 1995 and returned 100% of the buyer's money.</div>
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23. I made the most of the above information available to Guernsey's director and attorney approximately one week before the auction. After reviewing the information, Guernsey's director stated that they would not sell the guitar.</div>
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The above constitute my opinions. I do not have any ownership, financial or other interest in this guitar. I do not know who consigned the guitar to Guernsey's and have no reason or intention to harm anyone's reputation. Your conclusions about the authenticity of the guitar may be different than my own. “</div>
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In addition to the statements made in the website text quoted above, the same purchaser also posted this statement on his website:</div>
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Every few months another guitar shows up on the internet with someone claiming it was Stevie's. While it is true Stevie had a lot of guitars, evidence of him giving away guitars is exceptionally rare. Here is just one story of the lengths to which one criminal went. BEWARE because this guitar is still out there.</div>
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On April 1, 2003, someone listed a Fender Strat for auction on eBay, alleging that it was owned and used by Stevie Ray Vaughan. It was signed in gold paint pen, and had "COBRAS" in small mailbox letters on the pickguard. The starting price was $125,000. </div>
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I purchased this same guitar from a major auction house in New York in 1995 (which later refunded my money). The guitar came with two pieces of documentation which purported to authenticate it: (1) a full page handwritten letter, supposedly in Stevie's hand, describing the history of the guitar and the circumstances of it passing to a man in Vermont. The letter stated that Stevie obtained the guitar from a member of the Cobras in the 1970's, and that it had been used on stage the night the man got it in 1990, among other things. (2) A short handwritten note from Rene Martinez about the guitar, dated 1994.</div>
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I personally contacted that Cobras band member who stated that he never owned this guitar, and never transfered it to Stevie by sale or gift. He also stated that he and Jimmie Vaughan do not believe the handwriting is Stevie's. Rene Martinez stated he did not believe this was Stevie's guitar, he did not recall any transfer of a guitar from Stevie to anyone while on tour that night, and that he never marked guitars he worked on in the fashion this guitar was marked inside the neck cavity. I personally compared the note purported to be in Rene's hand with a known genuine example of his handwriting, and it did not match, in my opinion.</div>
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On January 26, 1997, the man finally admitted to me on the phone that the guitar was not played on stage the night he got it "from Stevie" in 1990, despite "Stevie's" handwriting saying he did. </div>
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On January 29, 1997, the auction house stated, "As a result of the substantial issues which have been raised with regard to the authenticity of this guitar, [we] will rescind the sale." My money was refunded in full.</div>
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I met the man and spoke with him on the phone on several occasions. It is my opinion that on at least one occasion between 1987 and 1990 he met Stevie and probably obtained at least one autograph from him. I have seen a photo of the man and Stevie together. It is possible that the autograph on this guitar is genuine, but due to other circumstances which I will not go into here, it is my opinion that it is not. </div>
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I spoke with the current owner. He says he has no connection to the previous owners. After listening to what I had to say, he closed the auction. Based on our conversation, I have no reason to believe the current owner had any intention to defraud anyone or pass along bad merchandise. </div>
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This is just one more reason why you need to be very careful buying collectibles. Apparently, I was not the only one who was ripped off (almost) regarding this guitar. The same forger is suspected of creating other handwritten letters supposedly in Stevie's hand, a signed black hat from Texas Hatters, a pickguard alleged to be off Number One, another guitar purported to be Stevie's, a two-page set list alleged to have been from Alpine Valley, and other items.” [end]</div>
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I would like to add my own observations of the alleged SRV written Letter of Authenticity for the guitar:</div>
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1: The letter claims “Serial number under neck plate. I forgot”</div>
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3: The letter alleges that SRV gave the guitar to Larry Warren on 7/3/1990. Stevie’s own guitar tech told the original purchaser he never saw the guitar and Stevie didn’t own it.</div>
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5: Larry admitted to the original purchaser that SRV didn’t play the guitar at the show even though the alleged letter of authenticity in SRV’s alleged handwriting says otherwise. This should be proof enough to the world that Larry is a liar and forger, but since it hasn’t been then one must ask, why would SRV lie about playing the guitar when he didn’t and why would he say that he played the guitar at Larry’s request when he did not?</div>
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6: The letter states that Joe Cocker sang one of the two songs that SRV used the guitar on with him. As someone who was there I can state as 100% factually that Joe Cocker was the opening act but did not sing so much as a single note with Stevie Ray at that show. One must ask why Stevie Ray would write this when it never happened?</div>
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7: The alleged Letter of Authenticity brings up a “Hendrix” thing. It describes a hole in the lower horn that would have been from a strap button having been installed there. The guitar I saw in Larry possession in Rutland had that hole. For the record, when I saw that guitar there was no autograph on it, no stickers and no personalized neck plate. Also, I own a 1963 fender Stratocaster that had the same hole from a strap button on the lower bout. I never thought that Hendrix owned my guitar. After all, he was not the only left-handed guitar player in history.</div>
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8: Larry mentions the guitar in the Hard Rock Café. I submit that he is referring to the guitar he gave me the photograph of and that I believe he used as a model for the guitar he auctioned at Christie’s.</div>
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10: My suspicion is that Larry was nowhere near Essex Junction, VT on 7/3/1990. When he met me and quickly realized my passion for SRV he took advantage of that and he absorbed my story of attending the show into his own forgery to give some sort of detail to the Letter of Authenticity claims. I would suggest that since he claims to have saved so much memorabilia allegedly acquired from famous people that he would have some sort of evidence, such as a ticket stub, backstage pass, un-photoshopped photo from the show. He has not offered any of this. I would also submit that since it has been proven that the claims in the Letter of Authenticity are false and that it surely wasn’t written by SRV (not knowing where the serial number was, that he played the guitar on two songs during the encore and that Joe Cocker sang one of them). This would leave one to conclude that it is most likely that since Larry was selling the guitar and he was providing the Letter of Authenticity as proof and that the guitar was proven to be a forgery and the claims in the letter aren’t true one can only conclude that he forged the Letter of Authenticity too. Let me remind you that the STARTING price for it in 1995 was $125,000.</div>
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Stevie Ray Vaughan-Owned & Signed c. 1966-67 Fender Stratocaster. UNRESERVED. Serial#: 191460. Stevie Ray Vaughan owned and signed 1966-67 Fender Stratocaster in a three-tone Sunburst finish. The signature is broad and in gold ink, dated " '90," and also present on this guitar are some worn stickers; one group of stickers reads "SRV" and the other, located on the pickguard, is rather worn and faded but the word "Cobras" is visible. Vaughan played with Paul Ray and the Cobras in Austin, Texas from 1975 until 1977. This Fender's silver neckplate is etched in block letters "STEVIE RAY VAUGHAN DALLAS, TX." Paperwork inside the case with more of Vaughan's handwriting.</div>
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Guernsey’s says the guitar’s silver neck plate is etched in block letters “STEVIE RAY VAUGHAN DALLAS, TX,” and will be sold with paperwork inside the case with more of Vaughan’s handwriting. </div>
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This three-tone sunburst Strat was owned and signed by SRV, according to Guernsey’s. The gold ink signature is broad and dated ‘90. Also present on this guitar are some worn stickers; one group of stickers reads “SRV” and the other, located on the pickguard is rather worn and faded, but the word “Cobras” is visible. Vaughan reportedly played with Paul Ray and the Cobras in Austin, Texas, from 1975 until 1977.”</div>
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There is a podcast interview online with Larry talking about this guitar and claiming that it was stolen from him and that the signature is real and that it was not auctioned off by him. His claims are proven false because the original purchaser of the guitar is 1995 posted that he directly spoke with Larry about the guitar when he bought it as Larry was the seller. He specifically says that the signature is a forgery and Larry lied to him about it being played at the Essex Jct. Show and that he lied about there being photos of SRV playing it.</div>
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I never believed that the foot pedal belonged to SRV as the handwriting here was too similar to the handwriting in Larry’s letter to me a year prior as well as many other reasons. At this point I would like to start dissecting and comparing documents connected directly to Larry Warren. Beginning with this document. One of the things that seems hard to swallow is that Rene Martinez makes the same kind of S’s as Larry…and SRV and apparently Tommy Shannon on a promo shot I received directly from Larry where all of the members of Double Trouble autographed it…and their handwriting is all the same.</div>
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It would seem unlikely that so many people to also use backward 3's for E's<br />
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Just as a side note here, it would appear that the only time in Stevie Ray’s life that he didn’t use a backwards 3 for and E was when he allegedly signed Larry’s leather jacket which was given to me directly from Larry which he mentions in his letter and says was signed by SRV and has now been proven by JSA Authentication to be a forgery:<br />
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Note the small 'e' in 'Stevie' as well as Vaughan spelled incorrectly, “Vaughn”.<br />
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We can also compare these documents of mine to other documents directly from Larry Warren used when auctioning items. The same L appears in the alleged SRV letter for the guitar sold in 1885 and more recently by Guernsey’s as appears in other documents:</div>
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There is the same L used on the leather jacket which is a confirmed forgery.</div>
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Again, there are documents with multiple versions of the letter L:</div>
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This last one is from an album Larry gave directly to someone in Rutland, VT and it was alleged to have been signed by all members of the Grateful Dead.</div>
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As mentioned before, you can also find an awful lot of misspelled words. One in particular, “during” which appears across numerous documents as “durring”.</div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">SRV's brother is actually Called Jimmie Lawrence Vaughan, not Lee as it states in the letter. "I now work with Jimmie Lee as his guitar tech"something Martinez would know if he has worked with the Vaughan's since the 80's. [Editors Note]</td></tr>
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It seems very strange that Rene Martinez, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Charlie Lennon and Larry Warren all don’t know how to spell the word “during”.</div>
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You could spend all day looking at letter formation across documents, look at how many times there is a combination of cursive and printing within documents, how many times handwriting changes within the same document (for example the mention of John Lennon prompts letter formation similar to his). There are certainly enough glaring things wrong with these documents for anyone to suspect they were all written by the same person.</div>
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As Duane just said, you really can spend days on end finding problems with the various items included in this blog, but not only this blog but the many blogs about forged memorabilia that came before this tome. I encourage you all to do your own homework. Please feel free to use anything included in any of these blogs. Double check what I am saying, disect my research and Duane's, do your own analysis on the handwriting. I will at some point gather together the many and ever growing number of handwriting samples we have. We now have original pieces, I have more items coming to me in the near future. </div>
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Apart from the very obvious forgeries you have seen within this blog, there are many more issues with other aspects of Larry Warren's life and what he claims to be the truth. Everything he says comes with a controversy, if you look closely enough you will find things I have, as yet, missed. </div>
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Up to now Warren has told everyone that I am a drug addled nymphomaniac who abuses my children, that I have spent a year inside a 'nuthouse' or a 'mental hospital' in fact his exact words were "Ex nuthouse Inmate" just look at the language. You are an inmate in a psychiatric prison hospital, maybe, but certainly not in any psychiatric ward in this country or even century. </div>
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Gary Heseltine parrots Warren's lies and adds his own to the crazy lady narrative. I am infatuated with Warren and that is all there is to this. There is no evidence against Larry Warren, and he should know what evidence is because he worked for the Transport Police. He says because he hasn't been convicted of crimes, he is innocent. He says this is all a fatal attraction thing. I am just a bunny boiler.<br />
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You can make your own mind up, based on actual evidence, not the desperate gossip of a bunch of lying misogynists. This is all Sacha Christie's opinion Gary Heseltine recently stated on a thread on Grant Cameron's page. You can read that <a href="https://www.facebook.com/search/str/grant+cameron+gary+heseltine/keywords_blended_posts?esd=eyJlc2lkIjoiUzpfSTEzNjQzMTMwMDE6MTAyMTgyNTQyMzY1NzE3MDkiLCJwc2lkIjp7IjEzNjQzMTMwMDE6MTAyMTgyNTQyMzY1NzE3MDkiOiJVenBmU1RFek5qUXpNVE13TURFNk1UQXlNVGd5TlRReU16WTFOekUzTURrPSJ9LCJjcmN0IjoidGV4dCIsImNzaWQiOiJlZWQwMzA4N2Q1YWM5MjhhNjBmOTZjZTVmZmFjYmNjNCJ9" target="_blank">here</a>.<br />
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I wrote an open letter to Gary heseltine with many audio and video segments of Warren saying different things and Lying. It is eleven months since publishing that blog, he ignored it completely and tells people it is just my opinion. You can read that <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2018/02/open-letter-to-gary-heseltine.html" target="_blank">here</a></div>
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It's not my opinion Gary Heseltine of Ufo Truth (decay) Magazine and here is the evidence, official and backed up by a further nine other memorabilia experts.<br />
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In September 2016 I was convinced I would be able to involve the authorities and tried to report these crimes to Merseyside police without success. They treated me like I have special needs, refused to take statements from me even though another constabulary wanted a statement to secure an arrest of someone who had threatened to shoot my friends family and cut off his nose, he then went onto say if you retaliate in any way I will do the same to Sacha Christie and he handed my address over to prove he had it.<br />
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The police attended my address three times doing welfare checks when I wanted to make a statement to them, then finally sent an officer to my address who we believed would be taking a statement for Bradford Police. Instead she refused to take the statement and shouted at us for 40 minutes.<br />
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A complaint to the IPCC was pointless, they couldn't even get the names of the people involved right and said they had investigated, they can only investigate after a statement has been made. They did no such thing.<br />
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The police also told my local MP that they had investigated my claims and so he didn't help either. Then Warren said on one of his many radio shows which were just platforms for verbal assault, that he had family in the police here in Merseyside and of course, we all know he is keeping company with an ex transport police officer. Warren mentioning the fact he has family in Merseyside Police indicates corruption.<br />
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Below are the documents I prepared for the authorities. They did not take them from me and told me they do not investigate fraud and that I had to inform Trading Standards which I did. Quite blatantly they haven't investigated him as he is still selling forged memorabilia on auction sites. </div>
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Document One <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/05/my-experience-of-larry-warren-document.html" target="_blank">My Experience of Larry Warren (Takes you to another blog page)</a><br />
Document Two <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/05/larry-warren-auction-items.html" target="_blank">Larry Warren's Auction Items</a><br />
Document Three <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/05/larry-warren-auction-sales-document-3.html" target="_blank">Larry Warren Auction Sales</a><br />
Open Letter to <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/12/an-open-letter-to-music-memorabilia.html" target="_blank">the music and memorabilia industry</a><br />
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Blog re John Lennon friendship <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2016/06/fake-john-lennon-ufo-sketch-mystery.html" target="_blank">here</a><br />
Blog re SRV Frienship <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2016/07/stars-in-his-yes.html" target="_blank">here</a><br />
Blog re Warren Drunk In Live stream claims <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2018/01/larry-warren-intoxicated-on-live.html" target="_blank">"I was PA to the Beachboys in the late 70's"</a><br />
Blog re Adrian Bustinza and Rendlesham <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2016/07/stars-in-his-yes.html" target="_blank">here</a><br />
Blog How The RFI whistle was really blown <a href="https://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2017/05/how-rfi-whistle-was-really-blown.html" target="_blank">here</a><br />
Google Drive Link to audio of the Merseyside Police Officers visit <a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B99UoREaBWq4Y2FpRVFzNzFNbjQ" target="_blank">here</a><br />
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Note, she didn't even introduce herself, I found out who she was when I received the very ill informed IPCC response which dismissed me completely, the names were incorrect, the information within was not even true.<br />
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Apparently if you are a part of the UFO and Paranormal community then you deserve everything you get, including being trolled daily by no less than 50 people. They would not use the Malicious Communications Laws and denied me my right as a UK citizen to report any of the crimes being committed. I was in fact abused by the WPC who attended in April to take a statement for Bradford Police but refused to, stating "I don't work for Bradford Police", also I was patronised by the other officers that attended who decided they needed to act as social workers rather than police officers.<br />
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As you can see from the evidence I collated in the documents by September 2016, there are crimes to be reported. I estimate that since 2011 Warren has generated at least £80,000.00 from his fraudulent sales. There is probably more out there to find but I think I was throrough enough to warrant further investigation by the authorities. Since that time many more sales have happened.<br />
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I stopped disrupting his sales and have allowed him to continue to commit crimes so that there will be something recent to prosecute him for. They include a Jimi Hendrix jacket for £15,000, a Jimi Hendrix ring for £8,000 and a Jimi Hendrix painting that I saw him paint, for another £15,000. Other items in the auctions recently are John Lennon sketches and other assorted Lennon items as shown in the document titles 'Auction Items'.<br />
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Some of his items were showcased on the BBC Look North News <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-39006189" target="_blank">Rydale Auction Featured on BBC</a>. I managed to alert the Auctioneer who actually wasn't impressed with me but i had forced the situation upon him by plastering the evidence I had on their Facebook page. They informed the attendees of the issues posted on their Facebook page and gave them a period of time to check.<br />
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These items have been through several auctions, iIoutline them in the auction Items and Sales documents I converted into blogs. (posted above). It was also featured on the BBC Look North TV News show I think Sian Lloyd was the reporter. I haven't been able to locate that piece online, iIknow it exists though. I will continue to search.<br />
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<b><u>Recent Auction Sales, Evidence of Attempted Fraud</u></b><br />
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On the 1st of December 2017 I discovered these items for sale in yet another auction. I actually conferred with May Pang, who is John Lennon's ex girlfriend,who indicated to me which items were definitely not John's. attempts to contact Yoko Ono and Julian Lennon have been unsuccessful as yet. Efforts continue.<br />
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There was a very significant reaction from Peter Robbins who was Warren's Co Author until Peter realised Warren was and had always been, lying to him. He discovered items that he had given Warren that were part of Peter's collection of sentimental items of his sister Helen Wheels. Helen died in 2000, Peter gave warren those items because he genuinely believed Warren would have some sentiment for them.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Yet again another sample of Warren's handwriting compare to the alleged Lennon sketch below</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">A previous example re his spelling. He signed this himself. Everything goes back to him and it is all his own handwriting.</td></tr>
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As you can see the above items all look to have been written by Warren. Peter vehemently insists those flyers he gave warren had no writing on them. Not one signature. he can prove they came from his sisters estate as there is an official stamp on them. This was just last year, there have been sales since.<br />
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Just so you know if you are an American living in this country (Liverpool) and you sell items online without an official business, you can get away with it. You can do anything you want to do. You don't have to pay Income Tax, VAT or Capital Gains tax. You can send death threats, hand out peoples adresses while connecting them to terror attacks without a single consequence.<br />
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You can get together a big group of men to attack a person relentlessly and try and drive them to suicide just as Warren did to me, his full intention was to have me malfunction so dramatically that I couldn't even speak, to remove all my friends and support and hope that you catch the mind of a dangerous lunatic who would be another Mark Chapman as Warren mentioned many times. You will see from the other documentation I have provided that this is indeed the case.<br />
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Duanes evidence underlines mine. You tell me... Am I just a crazy, ex nuthouse inmate, drug addict who is in love with Larry Warren who moved him into our home so I could have an affair with him under the noses of my parter and children? Or do you also think there is a very big problem here? If you do please feel free to contact Merseyside Police and tell them yourselves.<br />
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I am just a UFO nutter who shouldn't be listened to because I have had depression, I have ADHD and have had mental health issues which were post natal, I was post natally depressed when Warren moved in with us, our daughter was just ten months old when he moved in, she was 14 months old when the attacks started.<br />
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Warren and his accomplices also falsely reported me for working while claiming disability benefits a total of four times. They also reported me to social services for abusing my children and being a drug addict. Think about that for a second. They tried to have my benefits stopped and my children taken from me. They failed. This was not considered to be harassment by the police.<br />
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At some point I will redact the Independent Police Complaints Commission and post that online with the threats of death and harm in order so you can see how the police bunched many death threats and threats of harm into one complaint and ignored it all rather than treating each incident as a crime, which they were under the malicious communications laws that only seem to serve to protect politicians who have been parodied online.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">From let to right. Alyson Dunlop, James Welsh and Sacha Christie. Get some is a military term for killing people.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">This happened when I realised he had stolen Adrian Bustinza's account and said so in public.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">He said this because I said I was going to go to a conference he was talking at to ask him why his account was exactly like Adrians, verbatim. He was subsequently banned from the premises by Glasgow University. I was blamed for this and trolled for it. It had nothing to do with me. I wanted him to talk, I wanted to know what his narrative was. </td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">This was said when he had joined forces with Nigel Mortimer to have me run off the scene, this was when he was handing out my home address to the most undesirable people you can imagine.</td></tr>
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If you have anything you wish to add or you are one of Larry Warren's victims please contact me at this email address; lwfraud@gmail.com<br />
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The show below is an Interview with Ronnie Dugdale who is Britains Leading Rendlesham Researcher. He is in contact with many of the Rendlesham Incidents participants and witnesses, some are public, most are not. He has an excellent insight into the events due to knowing pretty much everyone who has been involved in whatever capacity, during the events and afterwards in the 37 years of the many research findings since the events occurred. He will hate me saying it but it is the truth.<br />
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Sacha Christie and Ronnie Dugdale<br />
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Larry Warren and the Alien Base Under Bentwaters and Woodbridge Recording<br />
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Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-185664766371901572018-12-11T18:56:00.002+00:002019-10-16T15:33:20.505+01:00A Summary of the Larry Warren Fraud <div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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In a very short time I will be releasing some irrefutable evidence of Larry Warren's fraudulent activities. As if I haven't already.<br />
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A summary of The Larry Warren Fraud<br />
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Open Letter to Stevie Ray vaughan fans by Craig Hopkins. Larry pretends he doesn't know who he is and in a radio show referred to him as "some cat who runs a fan club". Craig actually bought the guitar through Christie's in 1995 and has several calls, exchanges and even met once. Warren knows exactly who he is. he wrote both SRV biographies.<br />
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The contents;<br />
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An Open Letter to Stevie Ray Vaughan Fans and Memorabilia Collectors<br />
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In February 2016 a sunburst Fender Stratocaster was advertised by Guernsey's auction house in New York City that is purported to have belonged to Stevie Ray Vaughan. Many sources on the internet reported it sold for $100,000, but Guernsey's director has stated it was not sold. The guitar is allegedly signed by Vaughan in gold pen and dated "'90," has "SRV" stickers on the upper horn and "Cobras" stickers on the pick guard. Because this guitar has been on the market several times since 1995, I believe I should publish my research on the guitar as a public service so that others interested in this guitar may reach their own conclusion whether Stevie Ray Vaughan owned or signed this guitar.<br />
In my OPINION, and to the best of my knowledge:<br />
This guitar was first sold by Christie's auction house in 1995, having been consigned on behalf of Larry Warren, an author of a book regarding his encounter with an allegedly alien spacecraft in a forest in the UK. Larry Warren claimed to have obtained the guitar directly from Stevie Ray Vaughan.<br />
1. There is no photographic proof that Stevie Ray Vaughan ever touched this guitar or one similarly customized in appearance.<br />
2. A review of credible equipment inventories and appraisals created by or on behalf of Stevie Ray Vaughan reveals no evidence that he ever owned this guitar.<br />
3. The photocopy of a letter allegedly penned by Vaughan does not appear to me to be his handwriting. In my opinion someone merely copied his tendency to write in all caps and make his E's like backwards 3's. A forensic handwriting specialist (not a common for-hire "authenticator") should examine the document.<br />
4. Singer Paul Ray of the Cobras showed the letter to Jimmie Vaughan who told him the letter was probably not Stevie's handwriting.<br />
5. The statement in the letter is that Stevie acquired the guitar from singer Paul Ray of the Cobras. Paul Ray denied this in writing in 1997.<br />
6. The letter allegedly in Stevie's handwriting appears to have been altered since 1995 in that the name "Paul Ray" has been somewhat obscured, while in 1995 it was as clear as all the other writing. If altered, it was done after Paul Ray revealed in writing that the statement about him was completely false.<br />
7. The letter allegedly in Stevie's handwriting refers to having played the guitar on stage on July 3, 1990, in Vermont. In researching this guitar, Warren made repeated assurances to me in 1995-96 that the guitar had been played for two songs on stage by Vaughan on that night, and that he knew photos had been taken to prove it. He promised to obtain and provide the photos to me. In 1997 Warren finally admitted to me on the phone that Stevie did NOT play the guitar that night, and there would never be any photographic proof. Thus, the two primary verifiable facts in the letter have been proven false.<br />
8. If Stevie had used the guitar on stage, René Martinez, Stevie's guitar tech, would have known, but René told me he had never seen this guitar.<br />
9. A note that originally circulated as provenance with the guitar in 1995 was allegedly written by René Martinez, but he told me he did not write the note. After Martinez denied any knowledge of the guitar, the note has apparently disappeared.<br />
10. The handwritten note does not appear to match a sample of René Martinez' handwriting that is in my possession.<br />
11. In 1995 the inside of the neck cavity bore a piece of tape with "R. Martinez" written on it, implying that René Martinez had worked on the guitar or set it up for playing on stage. Martinez told me had had never worked on this guitar and had not placed the tape there.<br />
12. A note accompanying the 1995 sale "witnessed" the transfer of the guitar from Stevie to Larry Warren, and had two signatures in addition to Warren's. That note also seems to have disappeared since 1997. Warren could not provide me with any contact information for the first "witness," Mike Howe. Whether that person exists or was a made-up name by a forger is unknown.<br />
13. When contacted, the other "witness," Pete Jones, refused to verify the facts to me. When contacted by Christie's auction house, Jones apparently did not provide any credible evidence that Stevie Ray Vaughan had owned or given the guitar to Larry Warren, because Christie's cancelled the sale.<br />
14. The note now accompanying the guitar, allegedly written by Cesar Diaz (now deceased) is dated 1999, four years after the guitar was originally sold. Even if Diaz examined or set up a guitar for some unidentified person in 1999, there is nothing in the receipt that suggests, much less proves, the ownership history of the guitar.<br />
15. The note allegedly from Cesar Diaz appears to have had the customer's name removed and then the page photocopied to help conceal the alteration. (I have not personally examined this note.)<br />
16. The last "9" in the date of the Diaz note does not look like the other 9's. Did someone change the date to make it more difficult to trace the origin of the note?<br />
17. The note allegedly from Cesar Diaz does not refer to any guitar by serial number or other identifying characteristic, and could have been for repair to any of the thousands of Stevie Ray Vaughan tribute Stratocasters made by Fender since 1992.<br />
18. Cesar Diaz worked on amplifiers for Stevie Ray Vaughan. Guitars were tended by René Martinez.<br />
19. A Lyra guitar originating from Larry Warren was sold by a different auction house with a very similar handwritten letter attributed to Stevie Ray Vaughan. The guitar was advertised with a photograph of Stevie holding a Danelectro guitar, with the Lyra guitar leaning against his chair or leg. The original, published photograph does not have the second guitar in the photo!<br />
20. A black hat bearing a signature similar to the one on the Fender "Cobras" guitar was sold at another auction in the 1990's. After the auction it was determined that it had been made (and therefore signed by a forger) AFTER Stevie died, and the sale was rescinded. I was told the hat originated from Larry Warren.<br />
21. I am not aware of any instance of Stevie Ray Vaughan giving away a valuable guitar such as this one, much less writing a note saying, "You have my permission to sell this guitar."<br />
22. In 1997, after being presented with some of this information, Christie's rescinded the auction sale of 1995 and returned 100% of the buyer's money.<br />
23. I made the most of the above information available to Guernsey's director and attorney approximately one week before the auction. After reviewing the information, Guernsey's director stated that they would not sell the guitar.<br />
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This is the blog where I dissect Warrens alleged friendship with SRV and the faked photos he used to generate an image of himself with SRV and the guitar Craig Hopkins bought. Incidentally, Craig Hopkins is given a thanks in the book Left at East Gate at the back.<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/stars-in-his-yes.html" target="_blank">http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/stars-in-his-yes.html</a><br />
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Here is a link to my blog which is the transcript of the show where he says a lot of outrageous things!<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/larry-warren-lies-show-transcript-of.html" target="_blank"> http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/larry-warren-lies-show-transcript-of.html</a><br />
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This is my blog regarding Adrian Bustinza's comments Warren actually accused me of falsifying the comments made by Bustinza. However, the conversation was between John Burroughs and Adrian, in a facebook group I am not a member of.<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/left-out-at-east-gate-truth-about.html" target="_blank"> http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/left-out-at-east-gate-truth-about.html</a><br />
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He also went to see a solicitor to have a cease and desist served on myself and three others just to stop us from talking about him. He lied to his solicitor and he then refused to represent him. Warren still says publicly he has already taken legal action. He has not. that is a lie. He then gave his copies of our letter to a friend who put them on facebook before we even got them.<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/gagging-order-fail-by-warren-shut-up.html" target="_blank">http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/gagging-order-fail-by-warren-shut-up.html</a><br />
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Here is the blog where I talk about Warrens fictitious relationship with John Lennon. Warren tells everyone i am trying to ruin his business and character, the only problem is, I just repeated the news. May Pang said the sketch he sold to Russ Kellet is fake. I didn't, I just said i saw it in my house and Warren left a copy of a photograph of it on my partners laptop.May Pang said it is fake to another news outlet. .<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/fake-john-lennon-ufo-sketch-mystery.html" target="_blank">http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/fake-john-lennon-ufo-sketch-mystery.html</a><br />
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One of the so called pieces of evidence Warren has is a photograph of an A10 which he alleged he took during the day while driving around Ipswich. It has a ufo over it. In LAEG he states he was in Germany and only just made it back to base in time for duty having stopped at the Cherry Tree pub and walked back to base. I discovered images on the laptop Warren used while he was here. I then spoke to Barry Greenwood who had all the photos warren gave him in the mid 80s. I told him that Warren was saying that it was taken in 1980 while Barrys notes show it was taken in 1985. He assured me that photo was taken in 1985 on Warrens honeymoon. I busted the date, I busted the fact the UFO above it had been added in. I wrote about it, Barry Greenwood issued a statement, then Gary Heseltine talked to Greenwood then claimed HE had bust the photograph.<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/larry-warrens-a10-ufo-photograph-is.html" target="_blank">LarryWarrens A10UFO photo is fake</a><br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/barry-greenwood-issues-statement.html" target="_blank">Barry Greenwood issues stetement about warren's faked UFO photo</a><br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/gary-heseltine-releases-statement-a10.html" target="_blank">Gary Heseltine Issues statement Barry Greenwood is old and confused</a><br />
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Then I was accused of faking the UFO Image.<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/sacha-christie-and-nick-pope-faked.html" target="_blank">Larry Warren Accuses Sacha Christie and/or Nick Pope of Faking A10 photo</a><br />
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Because I called his documents into question he then blamed myself or Peter Robbins for tampering with them.<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/larry-warren-issues-statement-about-his.html" target="_blank">Larry Warren says Sacha Christie or Peter Robbins tampered with his military documents</a><br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/larry-warrens-military-records-are.html" target="_blank">Larry Warrens military records are tamperted with by his own admission. </a><br />
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Peter Robbins appeared on a show that was advertised to be discussing the recent issues. No such thing happened, I wrote an open letter to Peter robbins<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/open-letter-to-peter-robbins_5.html" target="_blank">Saca's Open Letter to Peter Robbins</a><br />
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Warren wrote an Open Letter to me<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/on-first-of-may-2017-larry-warren.html" target="_blank">Larry Warren's Open Letter </a><br />
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Peter robbins eventually released a statement about his disassociation with Warren<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/peter-robbins-statement-regarding-larry.html" target="_blank">Peter Robbins statement</a><br />
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In between all that I wrote to the National Archives asking about Warrens Military Records,. Warren has always complained that the NSA snaffled his away. I got a response within 24 hours to from the customer emergency response team.<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/successful-foia-request-for-larry.html" target="_blank">Successful FOIA for Warren's basic military records (they are not held by the CIA or the NSA)</a><br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/think-about-what-larry-warren-is-saying.html" target="_blank">What Larry Warren is saying</a><br />
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This is the statement Warren Gave to Barry Greenwood and Larry Fawcett for their book Clear Intent<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/art-wallace-testimony.html" target="_blank">Testimony given to Barry Greenwood and Larry Fawcett in 1983 as Art Wallace his pseudonym</a><br />
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This is my blog from a year ago when he was going to be speaking at the SPI conference in Scotland but was barred by the university itself, not SPI, for his threats to me. I was barred from this event but have been given a guest pass for this year. Everyone who opposed me initially have now been helping me get this information out. At the time they believed what Warren had told them and that was that i am a drug addict, a child abuser, I neglect my children we live in filth and that i loved him but was with dave. Dave and I were always doing drugs and arguing. The truth is, he was the one doing drugs and we kicked him out. He said he left because he couldn't stand our arguing.<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/spi-scotland-gangstalkers.html" target="_blank">Banned from Glasgow SPI Conference</a><br />
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http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/spi-scotland-conference-2016.html<br />
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Alyson and I started talking after she released this statement. We have become great friends.<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/spi-scotlands-alyson-dunlop-issues.html" target="_blank">Alyson Dunlop statement</a><br />
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There is so much more.... Please check through past publications and check back soon as I will be revealing some new evidence which he cannot deny but I am quite sure he will try. To hear Warrenm telling various versions of various parts of the events he claims to have participated in please go to this blog. Even if you don't read a word and just listen to the clips you will hear him speaking and telling different versions. This isn't coming from me, this is all his own voice, his own words, his own radio shows, interviews... All from his own mouth.<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2018/02/open-letter-to-gary-heseltine.html" target="_blank">Sacha Christie's Open letter to Gary Heseltine</a><br />
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Gary knows full well warren has lied.<br />
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Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-38431742530842177342018-10-29T20:31:00.000+00:002019-10-04T15:55:15.147+01:00Sickening Anti Semitic, Homophobic attack on Peter Robbins on Ben Emlyn Jones Facebook Page. Ben is the victim, according to himself. <div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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<span style="text-align: left;">Ben Emlyn Jones recently posted something about Peter Robbins on his Facebook page and a meat head called Jay Deavin wrote that he hated Peter and called him a jewboy fag, then changed his comment several times using the edit function until he was happy with his arrangement of his sentiments. Ben reckons Jay Deavin is one of the people who outed Larry Warren as a fraud with me. Jay Deavin is a REAL PERSON.</span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Ben's opinions on Peter yet again, comments from Jay Deavin and Sue McAllister, Larry Warren's Ex wife and weirdly obsessive enabler</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Jay Deavin having a good old practice at getting his meat head feelings in order. Maybe the lady doth protest too much.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Yawn indeed Sue. Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwn indeed. Hows that 911 story of Warren's working out for ya? </td></tr>
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Ben says that he is almost 50% sure that Jay is one of us. So NOT sure at all then Ben?<br />
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He then goes on to say in his podcrap, IF he is right (which he DEFINITELY is NOT) and it <i>was</i> one of us, then that makes this a FALSE FLAG OPERATION and called it a mini 9/11. Ironic that he brought 9/11 into it seeing as that is one of Larry Warren's most spectacular lies. Lets just add that in for effect because Ben says Larry Warren hasn't lied and apparently he has proven this. Only Larry Warren was here in the UK and was seen at a conference in Leeds when he was also somehow at Ground Zero because of his expertise in the steel industry. He claims he was flown in especially to help with the clean up, yet he gets no mention on any of the registers, not one photo in the memorial photo albums or any other images anywhere and he is probably the only person not to have suffered with any of the diseases associated with the clean up. No evidence that Larry Warren has lied....<br />
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Here is Ben's podcrap, skip to over half an hour in as he just witters rubbish and gives everyone an update on the space weather because you know, all the executives at BT, Samsung et al, need Ben to keep up with when business will be busy. Only telecoms and people who work within the power industries and probably NASA (etc) need to know that stuff and I am sure they are all avid listeners. Go Ben!! Saving the world, one line fault at a time. Yeeehaw! Listen here.....<br />
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<a href="https://www.spreaker.com/user/benemlynjones/hpanwo-show-304-what-really-happened" target="_blank">Ben's podcrap about him being attacked for racially abusing Peter Robbins which nobody ever said. . </a><br />
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What never happened <a href="http://hpanwo-radio.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Ben's imagination files (blog post)</a><br />
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He considers this situation to be on a par with 9/11 and in his blog puts racism above peadophilia as a more heinous crime. He is ALMOST 50% sure this is a false flag operation as bad as 9/11. That this is the worst troll attack he has ever been subject to. Well if you look at HIS forum HPANWO then you will see what a troll attack looks like and this is FAR from an attack in the first place. Where is the evidence of us attacking Ben? Nowhere because it doesn't bloody exist.<br />
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Peter was called names by Jay Deavin, names that Ben apologised to any of his friends who saw it but not to Peter who I must add... Is completely heterosexual without the slightest homosexual inclination. Also please take note of Sue McAllister, Larry Warren's EX wife who not only is agreeing with Jay but inflaming the situation while indicating that he is in fact more than just a jew boy fag, people just don't know the half of it, he is so much worse than being a jewish homosexual according to her, because that is a terrible crime isn't it? She didn't see fit to tell Ben about the comment, even though he bleats that no one told him, nobody thought they had to (or cared?) so she must have thought he would be okay with this, which is understandable because of how he REALLY is, not this false prophet we see on Facebook, sanitised to almost death. He freely admits he hardly ever uses Facebook anymore, prefering to use other sites that are far more difficult to have anything removed from if you a a parasitic troll.<br />
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A mini 9/11. How pathetic is he? How derogatory is he to those who perished because of those atrocities? How much of a victim is he? He is 100% a poor little man baby victim according to him. NOBODY accused him of racism, the attack wasn't even racist and I feel like I have to point out that the only people who think of Jews as a race existed in 1940's Germany and since that time, pockets of meat-heads around the globe who hate anything that isn't white and straight. It is religious intolerance and also homophobic. Racism has nothing to do with it but Ben doesn't know the difference because he is 100% a feckless attention seeking drama queen, total idiot and professional victim, forever crying man baby.<br />
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Nobody said Ben attacked Peter AT ALL, NOT EVER but Ben has turned this into something about HIM again because it is the ONLY way he can justify his continued interference in MY LIFE and the life of Peter Robbins. We discussed the situation, as is our right, but Ben only wants free speech for himself and he wants us to stop talking about him talking about us. Well we won't and we are not going away and seeing as he likes to make everything about him, lets do that. Warren was my friend and was living in my house. Peter Robbins was Warren's friend and Co-Author and NONE of it is anything to do with Ben Emlyn Jones, yet he insists that WE are trolling HIM when HE is the one interfering in the lives of Peter and myself. Can I say this enough? NO I CAN'T. So I will say it again.<br />
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This is our actual LIVES that we live every day that Ben thinks is his business.. These are real events that have happened to Peter and myself, nothing to do with Ben in any way shape or form. He cries when we retort to his never ending conspiratorial insanity. 28 blogs about us, who even knows how many radio shows and his stupid videos of heavy breathing nostril shots while sweating profusely, denigrating everyone and everything that doesn't conform to his delusional insanity, while continuing to pretend he is a hospital porter when in actual fact he will get arrested if he ever sets foot in the hospital he was sacked from, unless he is dying. He was sacked for happy slapping a colleague with learning difficulties while filming it. He denies this of course but he was ordered by the court to stay the hell away, they upheld the hospitals decision in his appeal and had an injunction issued against him. He will be arrested and charged for breech of the court order issued against him if he sets foot on the hospital grounds.<br />
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He records his shows while he sits in front of his camera, in his festering pit with his forlorn and redundant hospital porters uniform hanging in the background, he starts his videos "Hospital Porters Against the New World Order with pride and dignity"... Pride and dignity? NOT a Hospital Porter. Sacked and barred from the building by a court order. Pride and dignity? Do me a favour. Walking through the streets in a cricket hat with childs toy sword is the opposite of dignity. Everything about Ben is the complete opposite of dignity. He is an interfering parasite who thinks that his every brain vomit ought to be aired without contest and that he can sucker himself onto a host and feed from them until he has had enough, which is never, but it probably explains why he is ever expanding while his weasley eyes vanish behind his overstuffed eyelids.<br />
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He recently walked through the city center wearing a childs cricket hat wearing a jock box, carrying a childs plastic sword he had found in the street, while talking to his camera, going to meet someone called Droike, which incidentally, many people think Ben IS Droike, trolling himself for the attention. Droike, if he even exists, hadn't agreed to meet Ben for this manly man baby punch up with a plastic bendy sword. He just went on the off chance that Droike had received his invitation for a manly punch up and had gone to all the effort of meeting Ben in his suggested place at the suggested time. The only person who turned up to this playground insanity gone mental was Ben himself. The instigator of this potentially violent situation. One can only imagine the scene if Droike had turned up. I am sure he would have died... laughing.<br />
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In the video below he laments the fact that he can't confront Alyson Dunlop and myself in this manner because we are women... Don't let that put you off Ben I am all about equality. But the fact that he COULD confront David Young this way seems to placate him momentarily. David is yet to have received an invitation for a manly scuffle with Ben. He might be a large chap but he isn't a giant mentally is he? He would contest that remark and I am sure he will and when he does I will show you more evidencew to the FACT. As if you need any really. Double click videos to enlarge.<br />
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Ben likes to act like he is some sweet little angel, but five minutes on his HPANWO <a href="https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hpanwoforum/" target="_blank">forum</a> and all those illusions quickly fly out of the window like the monkeys from the wicked witches castle. Ben's forum is a platform for hatred, racism, anti semitism, general people hating, it is basically a troll pit and is an accurate reflection of Ben himself, ironically he is trolled the most on there and i have to commend those forum members for their galliant efforts.<br />
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As you glance through the posts of Hagbard Celine (Ben's forum name) you will see some choice language and a lot of holocaust denial. Apparently the gas chambers were just showers with normal plumbing and he uses a photograph of POW's who are not yet emaciated and says they all look healthy. He KNOWS this because he knows how the world works, he is the ONLY person who can see it and by golly is he going to stop the New World Order and save us all from our own ignorance. Not that we are in any danger... Everything is crisis actors and fake blood, it is all staged and nobody actually dies. So really we are ok then? Ben can shut the hell up and vanish up his own event horizon then? GREAT! double click video to enlarge.<br />
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I am all for free speech but some people turn it into a weapon. Ben IS a weapon, but only in the street slang sense. Ben wants to say whatever he want's to say about everyone else, he facilitates the constant bullying of various people on his facebook page and especially his forum, but he doesn't want anyone talking about him. He just want's to do whatever his deranged mind throws up without any resistance. Tough shit Ben. Those days are over. Gone are the days when Ben holds court on his page with the rest of the gang of merry misogynists, they are too busy trying to look squeaky clean because there is a massive chance all this is going to blow up in their faces and all they care about is the film Capel Green. They HAVE to behave now because of how badly they behaved before, they want this to ALL go away and so they don't want Ben's insanity gone mental rhetoric and attention being cast on their baby. Also far too late, once said, always said.<br />
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Ben reckons he has single handedly caught out and highlighted our lies and proven that Larry Warren isn't a fraud. He SAYS it but he has done no such thing. All he does is witter on about who said what and produced the most retarded analysis anyone has ever seen. His blogs are nothing but attention seeking whinges without any substance, no facts, no hard evidence and not once has he countered my evidence with anything remotely substantial. He is a gossip monger, a fishwife, a guttersnipe and a craphound, not a researcher but a crisis hugging parasitic half-life-form, not sure that I can be any clearer. His books are ridiculous, his story lines are weak and plotless and are a direct reflection of Ben himself. Sloppy, overstuffed, pointless and plotless.<br />
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Sacha Christiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06740476172461093266noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914501280797342134.post-25093776074321201922018-02-09T21:54:00.000+00:002019-10-04T15:55:34.598+01:00Open Letter To Gary Heseltine <div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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In recent weeks there has been a flurry of activity from you hasn't there? Show after show after show moaning about me. At the start Warren was doing his own thing wasn't he? But suddenly vanished! He was supposed to be appearing on the Jo Lomax show on CCN but there was an announcement from the show organisers saying "Due to unforseen committments, Gary Heseltine will be replacing Larry Warren as guest".<br />
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David Young and I posted on the CNN shows anouncement. I asked if it was anything to do with the fact Warren and Joe Montaldo just called Race Hobbs, producer of KGRA a paedophile <a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/larry-warren-and-joe-montaldo-gossip-on.html">live on air</a>, I can't actually remember what David posted now, possibly the infamous Filey Conference <a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/larry-warren-conference-talk-bufoh.html">recording</a>. Whichever, it was totally relevant. We were blocked and labelled trolls for asking by the admin. So we went into the chatroom and sat and asked reasonable questions all night. None of which were answered. At the end, to Jo's credit, she did ask if you would answer some questions but you said no way. She said they would have you back on to answer questions, that will never happen. You won't answer questions on the spot, or at all, you just call me a troll which is such a cop out, calling anyone a troll is a technique of avoidance, so you don't have to face a person or what they are saying. It's an immediate turn off for the easily swayed, you know for those people who don't need any evidence, they just roll with it for professional reasons. It's so lazy and conceited of you all.<br />
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I can't be sure, but it seems his <a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/larry-warren-intoxicated-on-live.html">performance</a> on the show he did with Christina George was so utterly embarassing that you decided to put him in a box and shut him up. Not long after this someone had taken over Warren's Facebook account, his usual life threatening rants were replaced by "If you wouldn't mind awfully directing yourself to this particular article here you will see that there is no way on Earth Larry Warren wrote this status I paraphrase. So for a short while even Larry Warren was a complete fake. Why didn't you/whoever just write a status, "Larry can't come to the phone right now he has been tied to a chair with duct tape over his mouth"? Why was it thought to be a good idea that someone just pretended to be him? Do you know how that looks? He appears on a live YouTube stream completely off his face and the next thing we know, Warren has vanished and a Larrybot is operating his Facebook page and you're doing all the talking. Click images to enlarge.<br />
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Throughout all of these shows I have obviously been painted as a stalker by Warren and yourself, also by Warren's ex wife who peddles the pretense that people thought I was his ex wife, I have previously debunked this lie but here is the evidence yet again. Even though I have proven this before, you continue to tell that lie that people think I am his ex wife, and that information came from his ex wife. You said it in the Jo Lomax show. Here, once again, is the story behind all that. I have put this out before Gary. If you knew what was going on you would know all this, you are repeating lies. Click images to enlarge.<br />
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Gary, you stated I am a sychophant, there is something wrong with my behaviour, you say it is just a fatal attraction thing. Rather than proving me wrong about anything, instead of addressing the things I am saying, all you have done is attack my character, my personality, my lifestyle and my mental health. Warren has attacked my children and my mother as well as my partner Dave, calling him a hacker. Saying somehow Dave killed his facebook account. All that account needed was for Warren to show identification to Facebook to prove it was his account. He screams he was hacked out of it and that if only he had that account he could prove everything about the A10 photo etc. Get him to reactivate the account then. All he has to do is prove to Facebook he is Larry Warren. End of crying episode, cheers and merriment all around because then you can all prove that somehow I faked all the photos Warren has been uploading for years right?<br />
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It's a little like the <a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/successful-foia-request-for-larry.html">military documents</a> he said I tampered with, the ones I put out are altered, yet they match perfectly the ones in Left at East Gate and everywhere else on the net. Now we know he can get his military documents, why hasn't that been done? Where are the comparisons I asked for to show me where I had changed what and the uploaded them and replaced every copy on the internet. Why is that a question you avoid? Why am I a troll for asking? After all it is one of my long standing questions now. If Warren reactivated that Facebook account you could prove everything he says right? If Warren applied for his military records then he could prove me to be a liar right? What is the hold up on that?<br />
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It's also like the A10 photograph that you wrote an article about in your magazine. You know the one you all said at a later date, I faked it. Or the guy who analysed it faked it, maybe it was Nick Pope? It was uploaded onto his Facebook account years before we fell out. It is fake. It was faked by Warren, you just refuse to admit that. Read <a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/sacha-christie-and-nick-pope-faked.html">this blog</a> to refresh your memory, because you've read them all before right?<br />
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You also said that I am responsible for tampering with other images. They were debunked yet here he is only a month or so ago on January the 8th 2018, using a debunked photograph as evidence that he was friends with Stevie Ray Vaughan, all while saying SRV wrote wall of denial about the Rendlesham Forest Incidents. That is a total lie. It was written about drug addiction and wasn't even written by Stevie at all, it was written by Doyle Bramhall who had his own demons.<br />
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You say there is no evidence of Warren selling forgeries. There is a letter by Stevie Ray Vaughan's official biographer. Also recently Peter Robbins identified some items in auction Warren was selling, he had forged Helen wheels signature after her death. May Pang is also a victim. he uses her name constantly to sell items, he creates fake letters of authentification from her for items that never belonged to John Lennon. I didn't make that stuff up, it has all been said by someone else.<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/stars-in-his-yes.html">Stars in His Eyes Blog Debunking Stevie Ray Vaughan Photos. </a></td></tr>
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/stars-in-his-yes.html">Stars In His Eyes Blog Debunking SRV photos</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.stevieray.com/Cobras%20guitar.htm">Letter By Trial Lawyer Craig Hopkins Regarding Larry Warren's Sale Of A Fake SRV Guitar In 1995</a><br />
<a href="http://www.stevieray.com/collecting-advice.htm">Craig Hopkins Collecting SRV Memorabilia Advice Page</a><br />
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<b>Pot Calling Kettle</b><br />
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Now Warren is even accusing me of stealing my account of our group UFO encounter in Wales, from Whitley Streiber along with my other experiences, all of which have been written about by other people who were unfortunate enough to be with me when certain things have happened. Until recently I haven't written about my own experiences, I have talked about them in public since 2005 and so have other people. One of my experiences is written about in three books because there was a house full of people and it happened to more than just me. Dogged Days ~ Ellis Taylor. Does It Rain In Other Dimensions ~ Mike Oram and also in Ann Andrews book Walking Between worlds, Belonging to None.<br />
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<a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2018/02/a-group-close-encounter-ufo-landing-in.html">My Account Of UFO Encounter, Warren Claims It Is Whitley Striebers Account. </a><br />
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So Larry Warren and Gary Heseltine, you are not trying to sabotage my career here, you are trying to sabotage me. I don't consider this to be a career, It is not my profession, I do not get paid for anything. I write my own blog. You are trying to make me look bad so that I lose all my friend, my reputation as you see it would be trashed and replaced with the 'reputation' that I am just a crazy drug addict, child abusing mother who lives in filth and moved a friend into the house so I could have an affair with him under the nose of my fiance and children, but when I didn't get my own way I just went crazy and am now his stalker, I am just a mental case bunny boiler. In some of the posts written about me they say I am an ex mental patient, a nut house inmate. A mentally ill housewife who is off her meds. This is the image you are painting of me so people don't like me, don't listen to me, don't talk to me, so they all hate me.<br />
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You want all my friends to hate me, in fact you want the whole world to hate me, you want to destroy any support I might have, you want me removing from the scene. Warren wants me dead and has made no effort to hide the fact with his endless threats which you seem to think are fine. You don't bring up my evidence and counter it with the evidence you say you have. No, you go on radio shows to whine about how horrible and mental <i>I</i> am. What a troll I am, you say I am a terrible person who has poisoned the minds of everyone into believing me. All of Warren's long term supporters now support me because I am the good liar, this is a pity party and it is all for me Gary Heseltine right? . Then when I point these things out you say I am playing the victim, but you are the one crying victim. I am making observations about your atrocious behaviour and your own wall of denial. You say I am trying to ruin your magazine, how so? I am talking about Warren not you. You made this about you, I didn't. If I talk about you talking about me, you say I am attacking you. Your problem is your association with Larry Warren, not anything I have said. I couldn't care less about you or any of the people supporting you. It is laughable that all you have to say is that I am crazy.<br />
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I have legitimate questions about Warren's account but according to you Gary Heseltine, Ex Transport Police Officer and owner of the brand of UFO Truth Magazine, it is all "rubbish". No convictions and no arrests. Yes that is highly unusual as we discussed on the <a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2018/02/sacha-alyson-and-david-on-adx-files.html">ADX Files show</a> this week. Highly unusual that Suffolk, Glasgow and Bradford police wanted to act on behalf of Mick Sayer, James Welsh, Alyson Dunlop, David Young and Myself, yet Merseyside police refused point blank to look at anything, take a statement and in fact shouted at me when they were meant to be here to take a statement for Bradford police ,but they refused stating they don't work for Bradford, all the while Bradford were more than happy to make an arrest because that man had menaced people twice before. You were a police officer so you know what that's about right? To everyone else it looks incredibly suspicious yet you choose to use it as a victory of some kind. You relish in the fact I have been harrassed by around fifty people over the past couple of years on behalf of Warren. Most of which now support me. No one has managed to chase me off but you think you can don't you? You think you are the person who is going to make everyone see the crazy stalker you say I am. If you haven't heard the show Gary, here it is.<br />
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<a href="https://www.spreaker.com/user/enemywithinradio/adx-83-sacha-and-david">ADX Files, Enemy Within, Show 83</a><br />
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Obviously I have said a lot about Warren's life. People ask what has the rock memorabilia stuff got to do with what happened at Rendlesham? Absolutely nothing is the answer, but it has everything to do with the kind of person he is. So because people want to know what this has got to do with Rendlesham. I am going to outline a lot of things, not everything, that would take forever because literally everything he says is a lie. Yes that is a bold statement, so I have spent some time harvesting clips from various shows. Some of the shows I knew well, remembered well, found them easily, but while I was on that mission I found some other things that really need to be showcased that I really want to put to you Gary Heseltine. Firstly I will outline just some of the issues about his account, then I will move onto other things.<br />
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Lets just take a look at what it is I am saying shall we? See if you can respond to any of it without calling me names, in fact lets see if you can do this without talking about me at all. If you take Sacha Christie out of the situation. there will still be a situation. Look at the situation.<br />
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Right back at the start of all this when he was speaking under the name <a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/art-wallace-testimony.html">Art Wallace</a> his account was very different to what it is today. Did you know that he told Dot Street, Brenda Butler and and Jenny Randles for Sky Crash, that when they got to the field and closer to the object, there was a ball of light that touched him on the head and he woke up back in his bed at the barracks. he said he woke up and his room mate told him he had been there about an hour. He told Brenda and Dot that he didn't see any aliens but that he felt a presence. Interestingly that same room mate according to Warren in his talk for B.U.F.O.H later commited suicide. Warren shared that bit of information to the Filey audience by doing an impression of someone shooting themselves in the head with full sound effects. But it seems to me he was back at the barracks in their room the whole time. You can find out can't you Gary? He called his room mate Alabama. Ask him was he in the dorm all along or out with those guys crying against a tree? The fact is 'Alabama' bought himself a ticket home and flew off AWOL, he had to be brought back to face the consequences and he definitely did not shoot himself in the head.<br />
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Anyway! Lets get back to this part because it is very illuminating Gary. As I have shown, in Sky Crash Warren states he didn't see aliens but felt a presence. Under hypnosis he remembered so much more, including seeing aliens! Aliens he now says he never ever said he saw. The first time he 'remembers' seeing aliens, was when he was being regressed by Fred Max. The big problem I have with that is that he actually faked that hypnosis session. If you read You Can't Tell The People by Georgina Bruni, you will read how he faked the whole session, he said he didn't want to disappoint anyone. So the very first time he saw aliens was when he was faking hypnosis.<br />
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As you can see from this image of page 313 of Sky Crash originally he doesn't see anything much. He passed out, woke up in his dorm where his room mate told him he had been there for about an hour. However when he had his faked hypnosis, he remembered seeing aliens.<br />
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Let's talk about Germany now, we really should go back to the start, to before the start. He says he was in Germany until the 27th of December 1980 in Left at East Gate. He also states in the interview he gave with Peter Robbins, "In Contact, 1993" he states he was in Germany, he got back on the 27th, his shift rotation started on the 28th. He got up and went to Ipswich for the day and was put on an insignificant post and that his night of events was 28th going into the 29th. It is now established that he was on his first ever shift even though in Left at East Gate he says his guard mount was boring 'as usual'. He wouldn't know, it was his first ever shift wasn't it? You have said this in an interview with him yet recently you said he had been on shift for 10 to 12 days. Which is it?<br />
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But when we listen to him speaking in a video titled "Larry Warren Early Interview" he states that his night was again was the 28th going into the 29th and was a Tuesday. Actually the 29th was a Monday. Tuesday was the 30th and that is when he told Barry Greenwood and Larry Fawcett the events had happened. Now he states his night was the 27th. As we can see from the drawings he provided to Barry Greenwood and Larry Fawcett he thought it happened on the 30th December.<br />
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I have included these three short segments of an interview of Warren. Unfortunately I don't know the date. I included them because not only does he talk about aliens, he tells a different story. The aliens didn't come from a bubble as he states now, he says he saw a light split into three, each of these lights had a life form in it. Not only that.... he says the Base Commander was there! If you read the book Sky Crash he says the Base Commander communicated with them. Something he now says he never ever said. NEVER said it. Video is 37 mins long.<br />
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Here is a short clip of Warren saying the Base Commander was present, below that in the second clip is from his Filey talk July 2015 where he says he never said he said any of it. This is a <i>very</i> short clip.<br />
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As you know Gary, Warren is telling people he never said he saw any aliens and he never said he saw the base commander, he also said he never said there was an underground base. So here are clips and photos of the entrance to the underground base which he gave to Barry Greenwood and Larry Fawcett for the book Clear Intent. So how do you explain away all of the above?<br />
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Okay lets move on to when Warren was picked up from his guard post. There have been numerous people in the back of that Jeep. Adrian Bustinza and Bruce Englund usually feature, but who is driving changes. Also the person who explained the unexploded ordanance bit changes too. It's a road block guy in KTPF show, It is someone he knows from the barracks in another, One time Adrian Bustinza said it out of the window and another time Warren himself says it. Sometimes Bobby Ball is in the Jeep, in Left at East Gate it is a black officer who's name he can't recall and more recently in his Filey talk he says Steve Longero was with him! This is all documented. But then we get to the bit where the driver of the jeep asks "Where the hell are we supposed to go"? Here are two different versions.<br />
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It wasn't that long ago when Adrian Bustinza stated publicly that he did not see Warren out there. Larry Warren then accused ME of falsifying the public statements Adrian had made using his own Facebook account, in a conversation to John Burroughs in a group that I am not a member of!<br />
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When I wrote the blog <a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/left-out-at-east-gate-truth-about.html">Left Out At East Gate</a> (which I updated with Adrian's comments) Adrian thanked myself and another for listening with an open mind. Not once did he say, you got that wrong Sacha.<br />
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<b>More Concerns</b><br />
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Steve LaPlume also said that Warren had asked him to lie. He states Warren was getting out on account of a disability that wasn't noticed in training. He had a problem with his wrists and so was getting out of his contract. He told Georgina Bruni this and he also made a statements of his own.<br />
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"<span style="background-color: white; color: #444444; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Larry confided to me that he also was involved in the sighting and went on to lay it out. Now right off the bat his story did not seem to jive with what he has been saying.</span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; color: #444444; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Larry told me initially he and a friend were walking back from a night out of drinking and such and they were on a road near Woodbridge village. He said as they walked they saw something in the sky that was odd. He told me of balls of light how they split and became three and soon after the sighting a person whom he said was AFOSI or from the intel community approached them on the road after they started to continue the journey home. Larry told me the spook told them both to keep shut about what they saw. He mentioned the other person did not want to be known. He then went on to say a few nights later, while on duty, he was told to fuel up the light-alls and take them out by the East gate so he and others did just that. Larry also mentioned the fuel pump was not working right and the equipment eventually did not work right when it was on location either.</span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; color: #444444; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Larry said they were forced to give up their weapons because of our agreement with the UK and he was told to enter the forest. He said as he did so he saw an airman with his head on his forearm against a tree crying and that animals seemed to be leaving the area. He mentioned seeing a deer fleeing. Larry then told me he saw a high ranking official but never mentioned who it was. He said the officer approached the craft which was out in a small field or clearing. I remember him saying clearing not field. But it is a gray memory and not sharp enough for me to be positive. He said it was hovering off the ground and also that the officer slipped and fell in the mud and he got a chuckle out of it. He said the officer got to the craft where three beings he described as looking like "kids in snow suits" were at and that they also were hovering above the ground. He said while he knew they were communicating he could not see how because they were no outright talking. Larry mentioned other airmen in the area and how it seemed they were sent there as witnesses of some sort. He then told me parts were flown in from Germany to fix the craft which was put in a sand pit of some sort. He said there were people filming video of the encounter as well and that film was flown to Germany.</span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; color: #444444; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Larry then went on to tell me about his cut off call to his mom when he was talking to her about the incident, being taken in a dark vehicle, sprayed with something to make him ultra groggy then taken and was underground. He mentioned how there was a being behind a screen and how the person giving him and others orders also gave a talk about the whole UFO phenomena and showed related videos. Larry said this person was not military but intel. He also mentioned a vast underground facility. Larry stated that he was shown where the craft went under the base and were housed. He said the UFO's would go out and come up under the North Sea where they would emerge from to take flight"</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #444444; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">"Larry had told me when he was getting discharged that it was a medical discharge for an issue he had with his hand/wrist and that the USAF should have caught it upon enlisting but they did not so they were letting him out of his contract. I do know he was not under anything disciplinary or he would be next to me cleaning toilets on Major Zigler’s shame patrol. If he is saying he got out because of anything else I would question that"</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #444444; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">This is very interesting because Warren told Andy Young on his Truth Frequency radio show July 2016 Stevie Ray Vaughan was at his wedding. You would think Steve LaPlume would be saying something completely different here.</span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #444444; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">".</span><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Larry and his claim to have met so many famous people like Stevie Ray Vaughn. - I can say this that back in the later 80's I met Larry at his place in Lake George and he showed me photos of him and SRV as well as Yoko Ono and they were Polaroid's if I remember right but either way it was long before digital cameras and such and Photoshop so I have to say I believe he was there and met these two people. How much he was friends with any of them is beyond me. The pics of him with Yoko and SRV were taken at the same spot at a particular event though as it was the same background so maybe he could have known them or maybe he was just a security guard or had a backstage pass. He did mention he had something to do with promotions for a label when he lived in New York City. I never got into details with him about that".</span></div>
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He also states that Warren asked him to lie for him. that lie was he wanted Steve to say he smuggled a cannister of film out of the base in a mug he bought from Germany, which we now know he never went. The story of that film cannister is interesting too. He gave photos to Georgina Bruni and told her they were from a guy who was local to the area and had seen events and taken photos. He gave them to warren. Warren held onto them for nineteen years apparently. Georgina accepts the photos but then receives a phone call one week later from Larry warren saying that he took them. That very same photo is said to be of events on the first night, a night Warren states (now) that he wasn't involved in so he couldn't have taken that photo. The story of that photgraph in his Filey conference talk in 2015 is that it is in fact an official DoD photograph now according to Warren. </div>
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #444444; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> "Larry had asked me to lie once for him when Georgian Bruni was interviewing him. He called me and talked to me about some film he had asked me to hold when we were at Bentwaters. Only thing was I have no memory at all about him ever asking me to hold onto or hide film for him and I told Georgina just that. Larry's exact words were "I just need you to tell her I asked you to hold onto some film canisters for me and that you did."</span></div>
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #444444; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">I told him I had approached the Very Fine Beverage company and they seemed receptive. Larry took it from there and got me a sponsorship package or at a minimum he had things set up and I just needed to close the deal because he was relocating and was unable to continue helping me.</span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; color: #444444; font-family: "arial" , "tahoma" , "helvetica" , "freesans" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">The issue I had here hit me like a ton of bricks. Once I called Very Fine and talked to my contact she did not remember me as we had only spoken briefly before Larry took over. The woman who was in charge of promotions for the company assured me she had no idea who Larry Warren was, who I was and had never talked to anyone about a motorcycle sponsorship and that she would have remembered such a request. Larry had never contacted the company and it completely fucked up my racing career that year. I believed I had a sponsor but with none I was sunk for the season. I had no way of recovering and got out of racing as a result. I would not race again for about 10 years until I moved to China where I eventually became an instructor at a superbike school. So after claiming to be a friend he flat out lied to my face and fucked up things for me. </span><br />
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There are other things to consider too. such as in his interview on KTPF radio he says that he saw Col Halt before he went into the forest and saw what he says he saw. But in his Filey talk he states that he was walking back after his event with Adrian. He states categorically <i>twice, </i>he split with Adrian AFTER their time on Capel Green and that is how Adrian could be with both Warren and John and Halt. At 1h 11 mins into the first segment and then again at 1h 22mins in.<br />
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I hope for other people reading this, you can now see there are many issues with Larry Warren's testimon(ies). You can see that I have every reason and right to challenge public statements being made by a public figure, in public, especially when there are so many inconsistencies. Inconsistencies that Gary Heseltine says don't exist. He says that my behaviour is abnormal, it is all rubbish and that I am basically a bunny boiler. It's just a fatal attraction thing. Don't you Gary?<br />
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So now I have explained not all, but some of the issues with "Rendy" I will bring up some other blatant lies. The ones that people have asked, "What's this got to do with Rendlesham".<br />
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I think the best and most recent lie was recorded by David Young while he sat in the audience at the B.U.F.O.H Flying Saucers Have Landed Conference in Filey July 2015. I have mentioned it already in relation to Rendlesham. In this talk he tells the audience of about fifteen people he co-signed Metallica and received half a million dollars <b>finders fee</b>. He is saying that he discovered and signed to a record label the band Metallica. I know right! Incredible! Weird then that the <a href="https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/80173269">documentary</a> on Netflix and all other literature about Metallica talks about Michael Alago, the man who really signed Metallica. so that's a <b>LIE. </b><br />
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You accuse me of being the person to sway Peter Robbins, amongst everyone else. But it wasn't anything I said, it was Warren. If you read my <a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/open-letter-to-peter-robbins_5.html">Open Letter to Peter Robbins</a> you will see we were both asking the same questions as each other. You will see that Warren told Peter that this photo was real and that Peter took exception to that. Peter made his own mind up about Warren. As has everyone else. Here is Peter Robbins <a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/peter-robbins-statement-regarding-larry.html">statement</a> if you need to refresh your memory Gary. We are supposed to believe that this photograph was taken a week before Lennon died when Warren was just 19 years old.<br />
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Here is the news article where May Pang stated the sketch Warren sold to Russ Kellett was fake. I never accused him of anything to do with memorabilia until this happened. Yet you both put it at my feet. That I am lying, that I am trying to ruin his business and reputation. Well my name is not May Pang and I did not say this. Once again, I am repeating news and you both put everything at my feet. I include screenshots of a conversation from May Pangs page on the anniversary of her UFO sighting with John Lennon on 23rd of August 1974.<br />
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Below are two radio shows, I have referenced the Andy Young show already, I talked about Stevie Ray Vaughan being at Warren's first wedding. The second show he is telling Ben about his superstar laden life and how Yoko Ono copied an art exhibition he did just the year before in New York. It is very interesting to say the least. He tells some amazing stories. Most of which can be found in biographies. Michael Francis ~ Starman, Alf Weaver ~ The Original Rock and Roll Bodyguard, Peter Grant and Richard Cole both wrote books who's memories have been absorbed by Warren.<br />
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Here are two documents I put together of his auction sales and auction items. <a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/larry-warren-auction-items.html">Auction Items Doc</a>, <a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/larry-warren-auction-sales-document-3.html">Auction Sales Doc</a></div>
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There there is the fact that he also claims to have flown out to Ground Zero immediately after the atrocisites and worked on site for four months because of his 'career in the steel industry'. He says he saw body parts being pulled from the wreckage. In reality he had a four month old son and was still here in the UK. He actually attended the Leeds UFO Magazine conference at the end of September!<br />
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As you can see Gary, all of these issues didn't originate with me. They have followed him through the decades. There have always been problems with his account. I chose to believe HIM the man, not his book. I read that <i>after</i> I'd made my mind up about him, after I met him, not before. Even though I met him in 2007 and have met him many times, we even went away to the Weird Weekend in Devon together for five days with Peter Robbins, you tell people it was just an online friendship but you are wrong. You are wrong about everything you have said about me.<br />
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Recently James Welsh Called Christina George a "Skanky whore" for reasons known only to himself. You deliberately twisted this and put it at my feet. You are still doing the rounds saying your wife was called this but that is not true at all. You placed HIS commments at the feet of "The Fab Four" not at James' feet. OUR feet as a collective. We are not a collective anymore. Anything I post is to do with me and the same goes for alyson and David. As for James, none of us even speak to him anymore. Nobody called your wife anything at all. Then when David and James needlessly apologised to her (because nothing was directed at her) you twisted their actions and said they were trying to make you and your wife fall out! I don't even see your logic there.<br />
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Christina George posted an announcement that she would be broadcasting a show with Joe Montaldo discussing me. I posted the screenshot of her post, James jumped in a said "Shut up you skanky whore". Your wife wasn't saying anything so how does "Shut up" make sense? Christina was directing a post to me and that was James' knee jerk reaction. I told him not to talk about her like that. You then twisted this into "The Fab Four" had called your wife a disgusting name. How does James' mouth represent all of us? By the same token Gary, I could hold you directly accountable for all the things Warren has said.<br />
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It seems you just need something to cry about all the time. Something to keep you in the victim zone when really you are the aggressor. You have taken on a fight for Larry Warren when you are not in full posession of the facts. If you have looked at my blogs then you are blatantly lying because the evidence speaks for itself, yet you say there is no evidence against him, it is all rubbish! You continue to peddle the myth I am mentally ill because I was ill fourteen years ago, you think that you can use old mental health issues against me now. I have never hidden that fact I had post partum depression after the birth of my daughter so I don't know why you think parading that will help your cause. I am mentally ill for asking the above questions, for looking at Warren's claims properly? You say I am mentally ill because I have researched and challenged the bold and ever changing statements of a public figure! Well I contest that <i>you</i> are mentally ill for supporting and promoting someone you admit you don't know personally, you just meet at conferences, without looking at the evidence! I could say you are mentally ill for calling me mentally ill when you have had no medical and psychological training whatsoever, you are not qualified to call me any such thing! You got involved in this situation voluntarily then started to cry about people speaking badly of you. Don't throw yourself under a bus and then scream you were run over on purpose. It's just not normal behaviour from a 'professional researcher' and ex police officer Gary.<br />
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Now lets see if you can respond to this without talking about me at all, without once speculating about my mental health. Try talking about the things I have mentioned here because currently this is all you have bunny boiled it down to, which is pretty weak in light of all the things I have mentioned in this blog and the many others I have written before.<br />
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Seeing as I am held responsible for the words and actions of people hundreds of miles away from me on the internet, I have decided to hold you directly resposible for all of these statements because that's fair isn't it? That's logical.<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">This was the post that had him banned from the Glasgow conference. See this blog, These supporters of Warren are now supporters of me. <a href="http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/spi-scotland-gangstalkers.html">SPI Conference Drama Blog</a></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">This was posted on a thread of Ronnie Dugdale, it was a video of his daughter playing in her band. Many of the schools parents were tagged in the thread and saw this. Peter Robbins had commented positively and so Warren flipped. </td></tr>
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